TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Spitfire9]

Yesterday I got a news on CNN Turkey which is already a no go for me, the F-35 has day codes to unlock the flight from the USA.
Without these codes, which come from the USA, the plane stays on the ground.
So if Turkey, for whatever reason, does something that the USA does not want or like, these fighter planes will not become active without daily codes.

If that is the case buying S-400 (which resulted in exclusion from the F-35 program) was a good move!

 

[Dosirak]

We have yet to see a render of the militarized Hürjet. Would love to see 80-100 of these.

Imagine:
80 Hürjet
100+ KAAN
same number of Anka 3s
50-60 Kizilelma
+ existing F16 fleet

Turkey needs to replace almost 80+ of T-38 & CF-5, so I fully expect Turkish Airforce to order 80+ of Hurjet AJT. However, the question is would the Turkish gov't stop from there? Light combat aircarft variant of Hurjet is already in consideration and It is not unreasonable to expect Turkish Airforce to order 60+ of Hurjet LCA as it is much cost effective to air police in Turkish air & seas.

So I could see Turkey to order about 150+ Hurjet in various variants and this would make Hurjet a very competitive LCA in the export market.

 

[Merzifonlu]

I think Kaan's airframe, (I said Kaan's airframe, not Kaan!) is needed right now by both EU countries and Japan and even USA. This is the only 5th generation airframe that they can add to their inventory as soon as possible, which is both long-range, multi-role, and affordable.

Don't let them bother us with the engine. Let them give us P&W F119 engines and let's integrate them into Kaan. Then, each country should use the radar, avionics and weapons of its own choosing on this airframe. Let everyone go their own way with peace of mind.

 

[YeşilVatan]

I think Kaan's airframe, (I said Kaan's airframe, not Kaan!) is needed right now by both EU countries and Japan and even USA. This is the only 5th generation airframe that they can add to their inventory as soon as possible, which is both long-range, multi-role, and affordable.

Don't let them bother us with the engine. Let them give us P&W F119 engines and let's integrate them into Kaan. Then, each country should use the radar, avionics and weapons of its own choosing on this airframe. Let everyone go their own way with peace of mind.

That's a bureucratic nightmare if you're working with Europeans. More than one european nation it becomes an impossible task very quickly. I wish it could happen though.

 

[boredaf]

I think Kaan's airframe, (I said Kaan's airframe, not Kaan!) is needed right now by both EU countries and Japan and even USA.

What? Why would they need it in any way?

 

[Merzifonlu]

What? Why would they need it in any way?

This is because the F35 and F22 fighters cannot offer the US army the long range advantage in the Pacific at low cost and in a short time. Both remain short range for the Pacific. Although NGAD was developed for this, there is a time and cost problem. There is no need to even talk about other countries, they do not have 5th generation aircraft in the first place.

 

[uçuyorum]

This is because the F35 and F22 fighters cannot offer the US army the long range advantage in the Pacific at low cost and in a short time. Both remain short range for the Pacific. Although NGAD was developed for this, there is a time and cost problem. There is no need to even talk about other countries, they do not have 5th generation aircraft in the first place.

Well they have B21, and honestly, if they wanted it they could turn it into a mean A2A platform as well.

 

[boredaf]

This is because the F35 and F22 fighters cannot offer the US army the long range advantage in the Pacific at low cost and in a short time. Both remain short range for the Pacific. Although NGAD was developed for this, there is a time and cost problem. There is no need to even talk about other countries, they do not have 5th generation aircraft in the first place.

They don't really need anymore than what F-35 has, its combat range should be enough to fly from Japan to China, especially with external fuel, let alone from South Korea. On top of that, there would be at least half a dozen aircraft carriers there, and not to mention B-2s and possibly B-21s making bombing runs from their bases in the US. And US has a lot of other bases in the Pacific, around China that would let them control it.

It is quite ridiculous, imo, to say that they need something like Kaan. They specifically went the other way while designing F-35s and all that time they've also been getting ready for a war with China.

 

[Spitfire9]

I think Kaan's airframe, (I said Kaan's airframe, not Kaan!) is needed right now by both EU countries and Japan and even USA. This is the only 5th generation airframe that they can add to their inventory as soon as possible, which is both long-range, multi-role, and affordable.

UK, France and Sweden have been designing supersonic fighters for over 70 years. UK and France have built stealthy UAV demonstrators, both with first flight in 2012 - BAE Systems Taranis and Dassault Neuron.

I suspect that BAE Systems and Dassault have a better understanding of supersonic stealthy aircraft design than TAI but I get your point: why should different developers incur massive cost designing several airframes of roughly the same size and weight, when it would be much cheaper to just use one airframe to house different systems from different developers?

 

[uçuyorum]

UK, France and Sweden have been designing supersonic fighters for over 70 years. UK and France have built stealthy UAV demonstrators, both with first flight in 2012 - BAE Systems Taranis and Dassault Neuron.

I suspect that BAE Systems and Dassault have a better understanding of supersonic stealthy aircraft design than TAI but I get your point: why should different developers incur massive cost designing several airframes of roughly the same size and weight, when it would be much cheaper to just use one airframe to house different systems from different developers?

I mean Tempest looks like KAAN a bit, if you didn't notice, especially newer concepts

 

[Spitfire9]

I mean Tempest looks like KAAN a bit, if you didn't notice, especially newer concepts

5G fighters all look just about the same to me!

 

[Nutuk]

I think Kaan's airframe, (I said Kaan's airframe, not Kaan!) is needed right now by both EU countries and Japan and even USA. This is the only 5th generation airframe that they can add to their inventory as soon as possible, which is both long-range, multi-role, and affordable.

Don't let them bother us with the engine. Let them give us P&W F119 engines and let's integrate them into Kaan. Then, each country should use the radar, avionics and weapons of its own choosing on this airframe. Let everyone go their own way with peace of mind.

????

 

[Kartal1]

Turkey needs to replace almost 80+ of T-38 & CF-5, so I fully expect Turkish Airforce to order 80+ of Hurjet AJT. However, the question is would the Turkish gov't stop from there? Light combat aircarft variant of Hurjet is already in consideration and It is not unreasonable to expect Turkish Airforce to order 60+ of Hurjet LCA as it is much cost effective to air police in Turkish air & seas.

So I could see Turkey to order about 150+ Hurjet in various variants and this would make Hurjet a very competitive LCA in the export market.

I think the workforce of the TuAF will continue to be the F-16. Also our MALE/HALE UCAV fleet is increasing, heavier and more modern munitions are integrated to our platforms which are used against targets in A2G scenarios almost every day.

Hurjet may have some usability for TuAF, but most probably these "lighter" tasks will be taken by an improved version of the Kizilelma which will hopefully use a national engine and have a supersonic speed after 2028 (just my speculation).

 

[2033]

I think Kaan's airframe, (I said Kaan's airframe, not Kaan!) is needed right now by both EU countries and Japan and even USA. This is the only 5th generation airframe that they can add to their inventory as soon as possible, which is both long-range, multi-role, and affordable.

Don't let them bother us with the engine. Let them give us P&W F119 engines and let's integrate them into Kaan. Then, each country should use the radar, avionics and weapons of its own choosing on this airframe. Let everyone go their own way with peace of mind.

Wake up now my friend, it's morning.

 

[Scott Summers]

Key US senator won’t block F-16s to Turkey after Biden assurances on overflights, other issues​

US Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) released a statement on Friday saying he will not seek to block the sale of F-16s to Turkey after receiving assurances from the Biden Administration that it will monitor Turkey’s behavior on a number of sensitive issues including its actions towards Greece.



Van Hollen, a member of the Senate’s Committee, said he got word from the administration that it continues to monitor closely whether incursions of Turkish aircraft into Greek airspace will continue “in order to encourage the ongoing dialogue between Greece and Turkey”; that it will “continue to warn Azerbaijan against taking further military action against Armenia and that they will work with Turkey to prevent any further escalation of that conflict”; and that it will continue to voice “strong objections” against Turkish attacks on Syrian Kurds, crucial US allies in the region, and that it “more clearly communicate” to the Kurds the commitment to support them.



“I continue to have serious concerns about President Erdogan’s ongoing attacks against our Syrian Kurdish allies, his aggressive actions in the Eastern Mediterranean, and the role he played in supporting Azerbaijan’s military assaults against Nagorno-Karabakh,” Van Hollen said.

Key US senator won’t block F-16s to Turkey after Biden assurances on overflights, other issues | eKathimerini.com

US Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) released a statement on Friday saying he will not seek to block the sale of F-16s to Turkey after receiving assurances from the Biden Administration that it will monitor Turkey’s behavior on a number of sensitive issues including its actions towards Greece.

www.ekathimerini.com

F-16's are coming with restrictions.

If this is true than indeed it is the most stupid deal of the century.

 

[Bozan]

Key US senator won’t block F-16s to Turkey after Biden assurances on overflights, other issues​

US Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) released a statement on Friday saying he will not seek to block the sale of F-16s to Turkey after receiving assurances from the Biden Administration that it will monitor Turkey’s behavior on a number of sensitive issues including its actions towards Greece.



Van Hollen, a member of the Senate’s Committee, said he got word from the administration that it continues to monitor closely whether incursions of Turkish aircraft into Greek airspace will continue “in order to encourage the ongoing dialogue between Greece and Turkey”; that it will “continue to warn Azerbaijan against taking further military action against Armenia and that they will work with Turkey to prevent any further escalation of that conflict”; and that it will continue to voice “strong objections” against Turkish attacks on Syrian Kurds, crucial US allies in the region, and that it “more clearly communicate” to the Kurds the commitment to support them.



“I continue to have serious concerns about President Erdogan’s ongoing attacks against our Syrian Kurdish allies, his aggressive actions in the Eastern Mediterranean, and the role he played in supporting Azerbaijan’s military assaults against Nagorno-Karabakh,” Van Hollen said.

Key US senator won’t block F-16s to Turkey after Biden assurances on overflights, other issues | eKathimerini.com

US Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) released a statement on Friday saying he will not seek to block the sale of F-16s to Turkey after receiving assurances from the Biden Administration that it will monitor Turkey’s behavior on a number of sensitive issues including its actions towards Greece.

www.ekathimerini.com

F-16's are coming with restrictions.

If this is true than indeed it is the most stupid deal of the century.

I did say, no delivery without doing as the US says.

 

[Scott Summers]

Invest the 23 billion in KAAN, use Anka 3 and Kızılelma and buy Russian planes to fill the gap till KAAN enters massproduction.

There are more than 10 million people unemployed. Put them in the plants and produce 500 KAAN's.

500 KAAN
1000 ALTAY

Replace the Leopards ans Sabra's and F16's and sell them to African countries.

 

[Ravager]

Key US senator won’t block F-16s to Turkey after Biden assurances on overflights, other issues​

US Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) released a statement on Friday saying he will not seek to block the sale of F-16s to Turkey after receiving assurances from the Biden Administration that it will monitor Turkey’s behavior on a number of sensitive issues including its actions towards Greece.



Van Hollen, a member of the Senate’s Committee, said he got word from the administration that it continues to monitor closely whether incursions of Turkish aircraft into Greek airspace will continue “in order to encourage the ongoing dialogue between Greece and Turkey”; that it will “continue to warn Azerbaijan against taking further military action against Armenia and that they will work with Turkey to prevent any further escalation of that conflict”; and that it will continue to voice “strong objections” against Turkish attacks on Syrian Kurds, crucial US allies in the region, and that it “more clearly communicate” to the Kurds the commitment to support them.



“I continue to have serious concerns about President Erdogan’s ongoing attacks against our Syrian Kurdish allies, his aggressive actions in the Eastern Mediterranean, and the role he played in supporting Azerbaijan’s military assaults against Nagorno-Karabakh,” Van Hollen said.

Key US senator won’t block F-16s to Turkey after Biden assurances on overflights, other issues | eKathimerini.com

US Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) released a statement on Friday saying he will not seek to block the sale of F-16s to Turkey after receiving assurances from the Biden Administration that it will monitor Turkey’s behavior on a number of sensitive issues including its actions towards Greece.

www.ekathimerini.com

F-16's are coming with restrictions.

If this is true than indeed it is the most stupid deal of the century.

It is as it is .... but , the turks still have to bite it today for the freedom of their choosing in the next decade ...
I say ..for a decades of headaches free ...it's worthed .

 

[Saithan]

Well, let me just remind you that overflight and such. Pretty much depends on wordings. E.g. No international court or auch has recognized the 10 air mile range greece claims. So biden can promise that they’ll keep an eye on that international approved border overflights are monitored etc.

that would mean 6 miles. These play on words will continue and Turkey just need to keep things vague. If they are vague enough then they don’t exist

 

[Bozan]

Could also be F-16s for recognizing an autonomous state in Syria