TR Aircraft Carrier & Amphibious Ship Programs

[Tornadoss]

5 STOBAR carriers?

Dreaming is free

 

[Zafer]

5 STOBAR carriers?

TCG Anadolu, TCG Trakya and 3 aircraft carriers. I don't agree to STOBAR, we can develop a modern UCAV focused CATOBAR in a reasonable timeframe and cost and make 3 of them.

 

[dBSPL]

Due to the escort requirement of two LHDs (and one Carrier If all goes as hoped), I believe that by the mid-2030s, the combat fleet will need more than 24-25 destroyers and frigates. Not only by Carier task forces, but also the naval forces will expanding their footprint with other activities, especially in East Africa recently. We could even extend this to include all the routes of the Turkish state's vision projects for future trade routes, economic corridors that are currently underway. This will also increase the importance of patrol ships, offshore patrol corvettes and multi-role support vessels. Nevertheless, the pressure on the Turkish navy to expand would in any case be felt heavily on the combatant fleet. We need more frigates. The waters are no longer calm on the world political scene.

 

[uçuyorum]

By the time we build aircraft carrier, sam systems and 5th generation aircraft will be even more common. Hürjet, or even twin engine something based on Hürjet ( ie F18 A/B copy) is simply not good enough and not worth building an aircraft carrier for. Even the drones that accompany it are low observable. Furthermore engine procurement is even more likely to cause problems for this kind of capability. The engines we will have accessible for the aircraft built will either be 2x TF10000, Tf35000, or possible Korean KF21 engine designed to replace F414.

This being a stobar carrier, KAAN naval variant makes most sense for it to be able to fly with sufficient payload but this will be very expensive. Otherwise, we can either go for a single Engine KAAN that is like Turkish F35C and add catobar to ship, which is also expensive.

Other options are either, the version of the Kaan with canards from the early concepts and single engine, or if we have F414 equivalent,

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1767190047735030216

This looks like a nice concept, but would probably have very limited payload and internal bays. If we are to build a large carrier though again, the plane must make it worth our money and time.

 

[No Name]

By the time we build aircraft carrier, sam systems and 5th generation aircraft will be even more common. Hürjet, or even twin engine something based on Hürjet ( ie F18 A/B copy) is simply not good enough and not worth building an aircraft carrier for. Even the drones that accompany it are low observable. Furthermore engine procurement is even more likely to cause problems for this kind of capability. The engines we will have accessible for the aircraft built will either be 2x TF10000, Tf35000, or possible Korean KF21 engine designed to replace F414.

This being a stobar carrier, KAAN naval variant makes most sense for it to be able to fly with sufficient payload but this will be very expensive. Otherwise, we can either go for a single Engine KAAN that is like Turkish F35C and add catobar to ship, which is also expensive.

Other options are either, the version of the Kaan with canards from the early concepts and single engine, or if we have F414 equivalent,

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1767190047735030216

This looks like a nice concept, but would probably have very limited payload and internal bays. If we are to build a large carrier though again, the plane must make it worth our money and time.

When you say a version of the Kaan with canards from the early concepts and a single engine, do you mean this?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/989445918612213760

 

[uçuyorum]

When you say a version of the Kaan with canards from the early concepts and a single engine, do you mean this?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/989445918612213760

This one

 

[uçuyorum]

kaan is huge. sure people have been using flankers for naval aircraft which are even bigger but kaan ain't ideal for naval use. especially without catobar.

unless y'all wanna run the jet with a quarter of what it can carry or something

Well yes but a quarter of what KAAN can carry may be more than other planes with lower thrust to weight ratio can. At least its got two huge engines. A single engine plane might be even more dependent on Catobar if it isn't magic airframe like Gripen or something

 

[Sanchez]

This is just beautiful. And an angle we haven't seen much before for Anadolu.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1770134858922156327

 

[boredaf]

This is just beautiful. And an angle we haven't seen much before for Anadolu.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1770134858922156327

Can't wait to see that deck filled to the brim with drones.

 

[Kartal1]

We need more Seahawks

 

[BaburKhan]

We need more Seahawks

Maybe we get T-625 and later T-925 which will be equipped for ASW Role.

 

[dBSPL]

Maybe we get T-625 and later T-925 which will be equipped for ASW Role.

The T-625 should have already started to be derived as a light-medium naval utility/ASW helicopter, similar to the AW159 Wildcat concept. It may not be as heavy-duty as the Seahawks, but we could have solved this by inducting it into the inventory in much larger numbers. Ministries can wait a bit, the urgent need on the rotary wing side is still in our force commands. Our armed forces structures require a very large helicopter inventory both on the land forces side and on the naval side.

 

[BaburKhan]

The T-625 should have already started to be derived as a light-medium naval utility/ASW helicopter, similar to the AW159 Wildcat concept. It may not be as heavy-duty as the Seahawks, but we could have solved this by inducting it into the inventory in much larger numbers. Ministries can wait a bit, the urgent need on the rotary wing side is still in our force commands. Our armed forces structures require a very large helicopter inventory both on the land forces side and on the naval side.

We need also to Modify the T-925 for the AEW Role like the Royal Navy is using Sea Kings for this Role.

 

[Tornadoss]

We need more Seahawks

Yeah there should have been additional Seahawks when Anadolu joined to navy, not existing ones to put there.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Apart from the TCG Anadolu, which is in reality a Landing Helicopter Dock and a Naval Assault Ship, any new "full spec carrier" of Turkish Navy, will only be available, post 2035 at best.

By then we will have mastered unmanned aircraft building to the letter. Most likely ahead of everyone else in the world.
So there should be no need for expensive manned aircrafts on those so called carriers.

Carriers, with third or fourth iterations of KE, Anka3 and Anka4 (supersonic unmanned fighter?) on their decks, will be the norm within little more than a decade in to the future.

No point in trying to copy US and other countries’ carriers and carrier tactics since their adversaries are already working on doctrines and methods to counteract them. Why copy what is already known?

We need to put on the scene something new, unprecedented and untested by the others. Best example is TB2.

Yes , by all means, build carriers. But for unmanned fighters and bombers.

 

[Khagan1923]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1771808091140493485

Looks more and more like the Brits are regretting their design choices for their QE-Class AC.

Truly hope we learn from their mistakes and don’t repeat them.

 

[Altay_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1783121701699502474

 

[uçuyorum]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1783121701699502474

Article says 32 VLS as well. Interesting but meaningful choice considering lack of A2A fighter. Probably also makes it easier to manage lower number of AD Destroyers.

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1783121701699502474

It seems 1 angled landing deck and 3 take-off lines. Even in this STOBAR configuration, showing that high sortie density is targeted. Definitely not a flag display ship, but a strategic force multiplier ship is coming. The article envisages a capacity of around 50 manned and unmanned combat aircraft, and the deck layout shows that this fleet is intended to be used at high capacity.

TB-3, KE and Hürjet-N are illustrating on the deck. Probably ANKA-3 and or derived variant will also catch up. The fact that fixed-wing reconnaissance and combat platforms will be ready before the aircraft carrier itself will be an important plus factor. The article also mentions that a study could be conducted on KAAN in the future.

The configuration of 4 CIWS and 32-cell MIDLAS indicates that the ship will have a countermeasure capability above the usual, which, as dear Uçuyorum said, could be a plus factor in task force planning.

 

[boredaf]

It seems 1 angled landing deck and 3 take-off lines. Even in this STOBAR configuration, showing that high sortie density is targeted. Definitely not a flag display ship, but a strategic force multiplier ship is coming. The article envisages a capacity of around 50 manned and unmanned combat aircraft, and the deck layout shows that this fleet is intended to be used at high capacity.

TB-3, KE and Hürjet-N are illustrating on the deck. Probably ANKA-3 and or derived variant will also catch up. The fact that fixed-wing reconnaissance and combat platforms will be ready before the aircraft carrier itself will be an important plus factor. The article also mentions that a study could be conducted on KAAN in the future.

The configuration of 4 CIWS and 32-cell MIDLAS indicates that the ship will have a countermeasure capability above the usual, which, as dear Uçuyorum said, could be a plus factor in task force planning.

It also looks like the design has 2 or 3 STAMP or STOP on either side.