TR Aircraft Carrier and Amphibious Ship Programs

[boredaf]

Aircraft carrier, Trakya and even more then 2 destroyers aren't necessary for defence of Turkiye or its waters.

What? We need 2 just for Anadolu, we definitely need more destroyers we have 3 coastlines to defend at the very least.

 

[UkroTurk]

TCG Anadolu has very weak point defense no matter Air defense frigate covers the ship. TCG Anadolu expensive and vulnerable. Too risky.
The ship needs 4 Gökdeniz point defense systems.
4x Gökdeniz ER missiles with 35mm Autocanon would cost max 50 million USD.
İnstead of constructing new ships, i would invest money in arming.

Why combination of 35mm with missiles? What would your IIR seeker missiles do in heavy Rain?

Could someone Photoshop TCG Anadolu with 4x new point defense systems? Please

 

[Cabatli_TR]

My suggestion for full size carrier with two copies

• 55k ton displacement​
• 275m length​
• Gas turbine / electric propulsion
• With fighters
  • TB3
  • Kızılelma
  • Anka3
  • Hürjet
  • Kızılelma 2 (twin engine)
  • Single TFX engine fighter

Turkiye is developing its first manned AC landing experience with Hürjet. In this context, Certain modifications are applied to the current Hurjet trainer aircraft. As a result of this Hürjet strategy, I think a more powerful Naval Hürjet aircraft can be developed based on the Hürjet thanks to the benefit it will provide to the Naval Forces in terms of usage concept/cost and efficiency. If navy wants a powerful single engine aircraft, then a 16/17m Hürjet variant with 1xTf35K might come to the table as a very powerful option for AC operations.

 

[CAN_TR]

TCG Anadolu has very weak point defense no matter Air defense frigate covers the ship. TCG Anadolu expensive and vulnerable. Too risky.
The ship needs 4 Gökdeniz point defense systems.
4x Gökdeniz ER missiles with 35mm Autocanon would cost max 50 million USD.
İnstead of constructing new ships, i would invest money in arming.
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Why combination of 35mm with missiles? What would your IIR seeker missiles do in heavy Rain?

Could someone Photoshop TCG Anadolu with 4x new point defense systems? Please

I'm pretty sure, that TCG Anadolu will be equiped with either Aselsan GÖKDENIZ ER or Roketsan LEVENT.

 

[Super falcon 1983]

TCG Anadolu will be game changer for turkiya

 

[dBSPL]

My suggestion for a full size carrier with two copies

• 55k ton displacement​
• 275m length​
• Gas turbine / electric propulsion
• With fighters
  • TB3
  • Kızılelma
  • Anka3
  • Hürjet
  • Kızılelma 2 (twin engine)
  • Single TFX engine fighter

If the 55-60K displacement range is planned, then a variant derived from the MMU, not the Hürjet, is being considered as the main combat platform. The Hürjet will provide technological capability acquisition as an intermediate stage and will assume the role of the navy's training jet.

 

[Zafer]

If the 55-60K displacement range is planned, then a variant derived from the MMU, not the Hürjet, is being considered as the main combat platform. The Hürjet will provide technological capability acquisition as an intermediate stage and will assume the role of the navy's training jet.

I would say a larger plane than Hürjet but not necessarily the TFX. It could be a single engine F16 size plane as well, as the TFX is a little too large for carrier operations unless they heavily rely on AI to optimize its operation aboard the ship.

 

[MADDOG]

Super Cobras aboard TCG Anadolu

-via Turan Oğuz

 

[TheInsider]

Super Cobras aboard TCG Anadolu

-via Turan Oğuz

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Blurry faces? They are not Navy personnel.

 

[Sanchez]

Needs more video footage but damn.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647565093180194818

 

[MADDOG]

Another view of the F-16 low pass

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647749415849934848

 

[Tornadoss]

Is Anadolu now officially commissioned and joined the navy? @Anmdt

 

[dBSPL]

Did anyone make it on board? I have never seen such a crowded harbor visit event in my life. People of all age groups came to the TCG Anadolu with excitement. TCG Anadolu became the symbol of Blue Homeland awareness. Hope that it will visit Anatolian cities well whenever possible.

Our people must become maritimeized. Our culture of maritime and naval affinity must progress. The sea must be part of their lives. Policies to popularize sailing and sea sports among young people should come to the fore. We should develop the dreams of our children by having them visit these ships and interact with naval personnel. We should have institutes and foundations dedicated to this. Our future is in the seas. Blue Homeland is not a military doctrine, but a revolution in our minds. TCG Anadolu is a historic step for our country, not only because of the extraordinary gains it will bring to our country's defense and diplomatic capacity, but also because it will be the flag bearer of this revolution.

 

[Ripley]

Our people must become maritimeized. Our culture of maritime and naval affinity must progress. The sea must be part of their lives. Policies to popularize sailing and sea sports among young people should come to the fore. We should develop the dreams of our children by having them visit these ships and interact with naval personnel. We should have institutes and foundations dedicated to this. Our future is in the seas. Blue Homeland is not a military doctrine, but a revolution in our minds. TCG Anadolu is a historic step for our country, not only because of the extraordinary gains it will bring to our country's defense and diplomatic capacity, but also because it will be the flag bearer of this revolution.

“Our people must become maritimeized. Our culture of maritime and naval affinity must progress. The sea must be part of their lives. Policies to popularize sailing and sea sports among young people should come to the fore. We should develop the dreams of our children by having them visit these ships and interact with naval personnel.”

What a beautiful and insightful future!

To further your envisaged a sea conscious people I can think of nothing else but a sail training ship!

Mainly registered in active service lists of major navies around the world, they not only serve to increase the seamanship skills of young cadets of respective navies but also serve to “popularize sailing” and love of sea among the youth of a nation.

It must also be added that they are vessels of national prestige and bonding good relations and cementing the existing ones further.

Here is a very famous example to prove my point

“While sailing the Mediterranean Sea in 1962, the American aircraft carrier USS Independence flashed the Amerigo Vespucci with the light signal asking: "Who are you?" The full-rigged ship answered: "Training ship Amerigo Vespucci, Italian Navy." The Independence replied: "You are the most beautiful ship in the world."

And sixty years later, in the Adriatic Sea, Amerigo Vespucci encounters another US aircraft carrier, the USS George H.W. Bush.

USS George H. W. Bush signaled
“Amerigo Vespucci, you are still the most beautiful ship in the world”

Moral of the story:
Be it an aircraft carrier or an elegant three mast ship, a naval vessel is always capable of carrying a huge diplomatic relation mission, both hostile and friendly.

**The images are courtesy of stripes.com

 

[uçuyorum]

How was your experience aboard the ship? And did all the people manage to get in since I kept reading many reports and tweets on how the line reached 6 km long

As with most things if you come early you'll have better luck but by the time I got in, the line was not visible. Doubt it's as crowded as first day. You can visit the first floor with the pool and some tanks and armored vehicles. Then you move to upper deck, good bit of narrow stairs, and on the upper deck you can move freely, take pictures with KE, TB3, Sea Hawk and AH1W. That's about it, you don't get to see other floors or inner parts. Foreign citizens are not allowed and you need ID, in case you want to visit.

 

[I_Love_F16]

Another great and detailed video from ‘Até Chuet’ about the Anadolu. He basically talked about the Turkish Navy, said that the Anadolu was initially meant for F-35B’s but was later converted into a drone carrier. He mentioned the different drones that will take-off from it such as the TB3, which is a navalized version of the TB2, and the Kizilelma. About the Kizilelma he said that it was not navalized yet looking at the landing gears.

The Anadolu does have a complete but still limited projection capability, as It can’t invade another country by itself for sure but still is a great ship in terms of soft power projection, in an humanitarian context for example.

Turks have a strong will to develops themselves quickly but above all innovate by transforming the ship into a drone carrier after they were denied the F-35’s. However he also mentions that there will be challenges such as the installation of an arresting gear if the navy really wants to use Kizilelma on it, because the ship was not designed to accommodate such a system.

Landings will also be difficult, because typical AC’s have a slightly angled runway (20°C or so), so planes can re-take off if necessary without crashing themselves on other parked aircrafts, but the Anadolu having a straight runway, there will be no room for errors, especially if there will be choppers and other drones parked on the side. Still interesting nonetheless to see how this will work out in the future.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

President Erdogan: "We're negotiating with UK. We're going to make twice as big of that (TCG Anadolu)"

 

[dBSPL]

President Erdogan: "We're negotiating with UK. We're going to make twice as big of that (TCG Anadolu)"

So 55-60,000 tons. A full-scale carrier is coming. This also indicate that the MMU will be part of the project.

Queen Elizabeth-class STOVL carrier 65,000 tons

S. Korea's CVX project, I think, is currently progressing on a ship design of 45,000 tons. Both countries will be focusing on STOVL; and later maybe SRVL aviation (when the F-35B related tests are completed).

The Italian Cavour is also in this class, although it is a lighter ship.

We don't have access to the F-35B. It doesn't look like we will, we are moving towards our own naval fixed wing solutions. So there is a very small chance that the carrier designed will be a STOVL. We need to look at other groups.

On the angled landing deck side, the STOBAR type is not very common in western naval aviation and has been largely abandoned. India, China, are the biggest users, and plus Russia if Kuznetzov can maintain accident free operation for 2 years in a row.

I think the reason why we are moving to such a big platform is that CATOBAR aviation is the target.

The other issue is the ship propulsion system. China and India are the two countries that have both CATOBAR and non-nuclear conventional/IEP propulsion aircraft carrier projects.

I think we will be the third country in this regard. The ship will most likely not be nuclear, but in terms of sortie capacity and impact, it could be a ship of around 300 meters that can be a match for the French PA-NG project.

I think it is also worth discussing whether the British are planning to balance the Russians on the surface but also the French with the Turks in the background.

 

[Heartbang]

So 55-60,000 tons. A full-scale carrier is coming. This also indicate that the MMU will be part of the project.

Queen Elizabeth-class STOVL carrier 65,000 tons

S. Korea's CVX project, I think, is currently progressing on a ship design of 45,000 tons. Both countries will be focusing on STOVL; and later maybe SRVL aviation (when the F-35B related tests are completed).

The Italian Cavour is also in this class, although it is a lighter ship.

We don't have access to the F-35B. It doesn't look like we will, we are moving towards our own naval fixed wing solutions. So there is a very small chance that the carrier designed will be a STOVL. We need to look at other groups.

On the angled landing deck side, the STOBAR type is not very common in western naval aviation and has been largely abandoned. India, China, are the biggest users, and plus Russia if Kuznetzov can maintain accident free operation for 2 years in a row.

I think the reason why we are moving to such a big platform is that CATOBAR aviation is the target.

The other issue is the ship propulsion system. China and India are the two countries that have both CATOBAR and non-nuclear conventional/IEP propulsion aircraft carrier projects.

I think we will be the third country in this regard. The ship will most likely not be nuclear, but in terms of sortie capacity and impact, it could be a ship of around 300 meters that can be a match for the French PA-NG project.

I think it is also worth discussing whether the British are planning to balance the Russians on the surface but also the French with the Turks in the background.

CATOBAR carriers make most sense with nuclear propulsion. The initial cost hike gets offset by the longevity and ease of maintenance of the platform. They also tend to be faster and more capable ships.
IMO it should be nuclear carrier or bust. Non nuclear aircraft carriers feel like a limping Messi.

 

[Chocopie]

So 55-60,000 tons. A full-scale carrier is coming. This also indicate that the MMU will be part of the project.

Queen Elizabeth-class STOVL carrier 65,000 tons

S. Korea's CVX project, I think, is currently progressing on a ship design of 45,000 tons. Both countries will be focusing on STOVL; and later maybe SRVL aviation (when the F-35B related tests are completed).

The Italian Cavour is also in this class, although it is a lighter ship.

We don't have access to the F-35B. It doesn't look like we will, we are moving towards our own naval fixed wing solutions. So there is a very small chance that the carrier designed will be a STOVL. We need to look at other groups.

On the angled landing deck side, the STOBAR type is not very common in western naval aviation and has been largely abandoned. India, China, are the biggest users, and plus Russia if Kuznetzov can maintain accident free operation for 2 years in a row.

I think the reason why we are moving to such a big platform is that CATOBAR aviation is the target.

The other issue is the ship propulsion system. China and India are the two countries that have both CATOBAR and non-nuclear conventional/IEP propulsion aircraft carrier projects.

I think we will be the third country in this regard. The ship will most likely not be nuclear, but in terms of sortie capacity and impact, it could be a ship of around 300 meters that can be a match for the French PA-NG project.

South Korea‘s development plans for CVX have changed, still in evaluation phase.

From ligh to medium aircraft carrier:

• 50,000+ empty displacement
• 60,000+ full displacement
• Conventional propulsion
• CATOBAR (EMALS, AAG)
• KF-21N navalized, no F-35B

South Korea Eyeing Larger Aircraft Carrier for its CVX Program - Naval News

South Korea’s Ministry of Defense will soon begin working on preliminary policy research on the feasibility of building a 50,000-tons CVX aircraft carrier.

www.navalnews.com

PS: IMO you can‘t land a navalized heavy bird like MMU/TFX on a carrier. Would be like landing a F-22 on the Gerald R. Ford supercarrier.