TR Altay Main Battle Tank & Related Programs

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My guess one of those four... MTU (Germany), Doosan (South Korea), Fiat-Iveco (Italy), Wärtsilä (Finnland)

My guess: Iveco, Doosan, Malyshev 6TD-X with a slight chance of the AVDS-1790 1500HP.

 

[Tsenal]

Isn't there an embargo on the transmission as well?

 

[bsruzm]

Is he considered a trustworthy insider?

That's what I am thinking as well.

 

[Philip the Arab]

German IBD armour introduced in Eurosatory 2018 !
Stanag-5 protection against 25mm APDS-T: 135kg/m2 (Roketsan 114kg/m3)

Stanag-6 protection against 30mm APDS-T: 180kg/m2

I think Russian 57mm is going to be the solution for this problem. Very high penetration, and high fire rate for a large caliber autocannon.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Isn't there an embargo on the transmission as well?

So basically you are going to have to redesign a whole lot of the tank and production will be delayed even further? and what about suspension as well?

 

[Glass🚬]

Altay MBT production has been started. The production starts with 5 MTU engines which was previously procured and followed by newly ordered ones.
PS: The new ones are not had to be MTU engines.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1305121695817236481

And what about the factory? Has anyone pics of the BMC factory?

 

[CAN_TR]

And what about the factory? Has anyone pics of the BMC factory?

We will see TFX in the air before that factory fully constructed.

 

[Skyfall]

So basically you are going to have to redesign a whole lot of the tank and production will be delayed even further? and what about suspension as well?

Changing the engine on a tank is not like changing the engine on a fighter jet. There will have to be some modifications but it won't mean a complete redesign. These things should be designed primarily with interoperability in mind as there are bound to be supply issues somewhere down the line. Also in the current world we are awaiting more powerful electric engines. Altay will still be in use when these engines come available so accommodating a future engine should also have been considered.

 

[Nutuk]

Altay proje olarak öldü.

Bu projeyi bu kadar yüzüne gözüne bulastiran SSB'de istifalar olmaliydi ama iste, böyle gelmis böyle gider

 

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Seeing as there was a high ranking Ukrainian delegation in Turkey a couple weeks ago to discuss further cooperation in technological and defense matters, I think the engine the Altay is going to use in the first batch is Ukrainian.

 

[Kartal1]

They better deliver some symbolical number of Altay T1 and concentrate further onto the development of T2 and T3. Till then I think The Leopard 2A4s will be modernized and will act as a stop gap.

 

[Huelague]

Some rumours. Engine problem solved.

 

[Balamir]

And what about the factory? Has anyone pics of the BMC factory?

Now I am convinced that it is a completely troll account. He said that before IDEF 2017, a mass production contract will be signed with OTOKAR at the fair. I was surprised that they almost did not award OTOKAR to BMC, let alone award the tender to OTOKAR.

 

[Balamir]

The engine is more important than the platform, so those who said that the engine is domestic were right. If the engine projects are not taken care of, the TF-X Hürjet Hürkuş ATAK-2 shares the same fate.

 

[Saithan]

The engine is more important than the platform, so those who said that the engine is domestic were right. If the engine projects are not taken care of, the TF-X Hürjet Hürkuş ATAK-2 shares the same fate.

That is why I'm dreading that TEI won't be able to deliver a useable engine at the end of 2020 for ATAK.

 

[Nutuk]

I see that I was forgotten that this is an English language forum, sorry!

Will try to keep it English!

 

[Anmdt]

Is he considered a trustworthy insider?

Also isn't the BMC assembly hall for the Altay still not ready to produce Altya's? How are these Altay's then produced? By Otokar?

Using existing MTU engines literally means BMC is trying to receive funds for serial production. In such projects funding is provided by steps, morelikely one step here was production of some amount of units. If the final engine exists as claimed by the twitter user, noone would switch the production line after 5th unit and would directly start with the final engine.
Tank Palet would be sufficient for this job i guess, and i doubt if BMC has upgraded Tank Palet as stated in leasing contract, put aside their Tank Factory which they promised earlier for serial production agreement.

 

[Anmdt]

I think Russian 57mm is going to be the solution for this problem. Very high penetration, and high fire rate for a large caliber autocannon.

Well, then any other tanks are doomed as well. These are STANAG -"standards"- ,if you are unfamiliar with, which armours are tested accordingly. It doesn't prove anything regarding to the ultimate resistance (as you may guess)
It is not surprising that armour technology has been surpassed by missile /rounds technology, just like ships has been, tanks of future will rely on low visibility, footprint and active hard or soft kill protection.

 

[Balamir]

That is why I'm dreading that TEI won't be able to deliver a useable engine at the end of 2020 for ATAK.

The TS-1400, developed for ATAK, has matured. The authorities are making confident statements. The tests of the engine are also going well. I think it goes according to the project schedule and will be successfully completed towards the end of 2021.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Well, then any other tanks are doomed as well. These are STANAG -"standards"- ,if you are unfamiliar with, which armours are tested accordingly. It doesn't prove anything regarding to the ultimate resistance (as you may guess)
It is not surprising that armour technology has been surpassed by missile /rounds technology, just like ships has been, tanks of future will rely on low visibility, footprint and active hard or soft kill protection.

What I'm trying to say is that 30mm, and 25mm are not enough in modern combat against advanced armor capable of defeating it. Dealing with a 57mm autocannon means you have to redesign entire armor IFVs, and APCs around that threat completely which will be much harder considering with modern rounds it can penetrate much more armor reaching over 100mm of RHA with 50s ammunition and probably much more with APFSDS.