Breaking News American blackmail to Greece: '' Turn off the S-300 ''

[Test7]

Washington blackmailing Athens over S-300s: Greek media​

Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis’ government is pushing back against American pressure to 'immediately' disable its missile defense system​

Washington is reportedly pressuring NATO allies Athens to disable Russian-made S-300 defense systems, leading Greek media to label the recent US attempts as “blackmail” in an article published by the Pentapostagma.

According to the report, the government of Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis is pressing against American pressure to deactivate its missile defense system “immediately” because the S-300 in question “do not cause any problems”.

“We want to expand bilateral relations, but we cannot be asked to deactivate the system. The S-300 do not cause any problems,” Mitsotakis is said to have said when asked by the Americans.

This comes after years of US pressure on Turkey to abandon its deal to buy the advanced S-400 missile defense systems from Russia, leading Ankara to point out Washington’s double standards in dealing with neighboring Greece over its own S-300.

The S-300 system, completed in 1978, serves to defend against air attacks at short and medium distances and is considered to be one of the most powerful air defense systems in the world.

Russia sold the S-300 system to 20 countries including NATO member states such as Bulgaria, Greece and Slovakia.

The Kardak crisis in the Aegean Sea, which erupted in the last days of 1995 and peaked in January 1996, became a turning point in Greece’s defense strategy.

Greece failed to hold its own against Turkey in its Kardak Islands claim and concluded that the proportional arms sales the US made to both sides of the Aegean Sea (i.e. Greece and Turkey) attempted to strike a balance between the two Countries do not meet its needs.

The first step Athens took in this regard in 1996 was the signing of an agreement with Russia to purchase the S-300 air defense system for use on Greek Cypriot soil.

Under Turkish pressure, these rockets could not be stationed in southern Cyprus, but were stationed in 1998 on the Greek island of Crete, whose strategic importance is steadily increasing.

Αμερικανικός εκβιασμός προς Ελλάδα: ''Απενεργοποιήστε τους S-300''!

Πρωτοφανές!

www.pentapostagma.gr

 

[Cabatli_TR]

As far as I know Greek Armed Forces are operating Osa, Tor and S300 systems and US pressure for Greek S300 might be a part of Turkish-US negotiations behind closed doors. Greeks don't have much political power to resist on what US is saying.

 

[TR_123456]

Was the S300 ever updated?
@Vag ,@Foulgrim

 

[Vaggos]

Was the S300 ever updated?
@Vag ,@Foulgrim

I don't think so. We have the S-300PMU-1 version (1993) taken from Cyprus.

 

[Vaggos]

Washington blackmailing Athens over S-300s: Greek media​

Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis’ government is pushing back against American pressure to 'immediately' disable its missile defense system​

Washington is reportedly pressuring NATO allies Athens to disable Russian-made S-300 defense systems, leading Greek media to label the recent US attempts as “blackmail” in an article published by the Pentapostagma.

According to the report, the government of Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis is pressing against American pressure to deactivate its missile defense system “immediately” because the S-300 in question “do not cause any problems”.

“We want to expand bilateral relations, but we cannot be asked to deactivate the system. The S-300 do not cause any problems,” Mitsotakis is said to have said when asked by the Americans.

This comes after years of US pressure on Turkey to abandon its deal to buy the advanced S-400 missile defense systems from Russia, leading Ankara to point out Washington’s double standards in dealing with neighboring Greece over its own S-300.

The S-300 system, completed in 1978, serves to defend against air attacks at short and medium distances and is considered to be one of the most powerful air defense systems in the world.

Russia sold the S-300 system to 20 countries including NATO member states such as Bulgaria, Greece and Slovakia.

The Kardak crisis in the Aegean Sea, which erupted in the last days of 1995 and peaked in January 1996, became a turning point in Greece’s defense strategy.

Greece failed to hold its own against Turkey in its Kardak Islands claim and concluded that the proportional arms sales the US made to both sides of the Aegean Sea (i.e. Greece and Turkey) attempted to strike a balance between the two Countries do not meet its needs.

The first step Athens took in this regard in 1996 was the signing of an agreement with Russia to purchase the S-300 air defense system for use on Greek Cypriot soil.

Under Turkish pressure, these rockets could not be stationed in southern Cyprus, but were stationed in 1998 on the Greek island of Crete, whose strategic importance is steadily increasing.

Αμερικανικός εκβιασμός προς Ελλάδα: ''Απενεργοποιήστε τους S-300''!

Πρωτοφανές!

www.pentapostagma.gr

Well, don't take everything Pentapostagma says for granted. It's an unreliable source. They usually post nationalistic shit.

 

[Foulgrim]

Was the S300 ever updated?
@Vag ,@Foulgrim

No, there has never been an upgrade program for the S-300PMU1. There was a proposal to upgrade them to PMU2 (at a theoretical level) but the whole project remained there. Obviously there would be US intervention to stop it.

 

[Foulgrim]

Vag is right. The site where you caught this news is not trustworthy at all. The deactivation of the S-300PMU1 is a huge legal issue that the Turkish side is putting on the negotiating table. The S-400 Triumf were purchased from Turkey after the enactment of the CAATSA law (2017) and any arms embargo is transnational between the US and Turkey. The S-300PMU1 have been present in Crete since December 1998 as part of the transnational exchange of weapons systems that took place between Greece and Cyprus, long before the implementation of the CAATSA law. That is why countries that have weapons systems of Russian origin before 2017 are not subject to such legal sanctions by the United States. The US argument that the F-35s are in danger from the S-400 Triumf system is funny to me personally because the S-300 PMU1/PS/V system is actively used by NATO member states (Slovakia, Bulgaria, Greece) for decades, but the US has never been afraid of leaking confidential information about the F-16 fighter. Ukraine, which wants to join (and probably will join) NATO, also has an S-300! The S-400 Triumf could be activated but under certain conditions. They could be activated, but with the supervision of a US technical team at military bases where the Turkish F-35 squadrons will not have direct contact. Theoretically, there could be such a scenario of rapprochement between the two sides, as was the case with the Bulgarian S-300 where the subsystems of this weapon system were replaced with "western" origin. All this issue that has been created is purely political and not technical or economic. The US just saw that Turkey was becoming autonomous in strategic weapons systems and wanted to blackmail it so that it would give in and succumb to pressure. The "Trojan Horse" for the US has been the United Kingdom (mainly), South Korea, China and Russia (+ the Muslim countries) where they want to change the balance of power in the region. The extent to which Turkey has been assisted by third countries in launching its military and economic autonomy will be made public 10 years from now.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

US to give 125 million $ (2022-2026) to replace Russian made equipments

 

[Cabatli_TR]

US is ready to sell F35 to Greece.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

I still believe that Turkey is putting Greek S300 issue on the table. US don't have a legal response to Turkey in this matter but at the same time, they want to strenghten their hands to solve F35/S400 problems in negotiation table. Making pressuring Greece to shut down/destroy Russian equipments will be considered as a right step by Turkey and US will ask Turkey to do the same for S400. Now, Greek S300, Tor and OSA will be deactivated slowly.

 

[Philips]

I still believe that Turkey is putting Greek S300 issue on the table. US don't have a legal response to Turkey in this matter but at the same time, they want to strenghten their hands to solve F35/S400 problems in negotiation table. Making pressuring Greece to shut down/destroy Russian equipments will be considered as a right step by Turkey and US will ask Turkey to do the same for S400. Now, Greek S300, Tor and OSA will be deactivated slowly.

That would not be a good deal. Those Russian SAMs are obsolete and easily countered by Turkey. Instead, Greece is going to buy some more Patriots, NASAMS/IRIS-T/MICA-VL in return. Very bad trade.

 

[Oublious]

I still believe that Turkey is putting Greek S300 issue on the table. US don't have a legal response to Turkey in this matter but at the same time, they want to strenghten their hands to solve F35/S400 problems in negotiation table. Making pressuring Greece to shut down/destroy Russian equipments will be considered as a right step by Turkey and US will ask Turkey to do the same for S400. Now, Greek S300, Tor and OSA will be deactivated slowly.

We are talking about billions dollar of equipments and in return for 125 million dollar? F35 will be not for free, in the end they will have to pay for it.

 

[GoatsMilk]

I still believe that Turkey is putting Greek S300 issue on the table. US don't have a legal response to Turkey in this matter but at the same time, they want to strenghten their hands to solve F35/S400 problems in negotiation table. Making pressuring Greece to shut down/destroy Russian equipments will be considered as a right step by Turkey and US will ask Turkey to do the same for S400. Now, Greek S300, Tor and OSA will be deactivated slowly.

s300 means nothing to Turkey, neither do the other old russian systems. All were humiliated by Turkish drone warfare recently. Its best the greeks keep them up and running thinking they are protected. They will end up just as shocked as Assad, Haftar and Pashinyan who all had russian air defence systems.

 

[Spook]

s300 means nothing to Turkey, neither do the other old russian systems. All were humiliated by Turkish drone warfare recently. Its best the greeks keep them up and running thinking they are protected. They will end up just as shocked as Assad, Haftar and Pashinyan who all had russian air defence systems.

Russia still excels in missile, propulsion. Current state of Russian electronics is bad. With fall of USSR and economic collapse high tech industries never really recovered to compete. They need to invest billions to be able have infrastructure to build modern electronic systems. Russia exaggerates capabilities of their systems for internal consumption and propaganda. Modern Russian systems under-performing in Syria, Libya and Armenia was a long awaited realization. At least for the public view.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Russia still excels in missile, propulsion. Current state of Russian electronics is bad. With fall of USSR and economic collapse high tech industries never really recovered to compete. They need to invest billions to be able have infrastructure to build modern electronic systems. Russia exaggerates capabilities of their systems for internal consumption and propaganda. Modern Russian systems under-performing in Syria, Libya and Armenia was a long awaited realization. At least for the public view.

Its why i don't buy the idea that Turkey is creating any conditions over obsolete russian air defence systems within the greek inventory. If you are Turkey you want the greeks to keep operating these systems under the false illusion that they are protected. Last thing you would want to do is force them to remove them only for greeks then to look for modern alternatives.

 

[Spook]

Its why i don't buy the idea that Turkey is creating any conditions over obsolete russian air defence systems within the greek inventory. If you are Turkey you want the greeks to keep operating these systems under the false illusion that they are protected. Last thing you would want to do is force them to remove them only for greeks then to look for modern alternatives.

This news is not reliable. I believe it is used as an argument to Americans for the sanctions. No condition for any agreement. Maybe not military professionals but it could work for politicians. I don't think there is many who would respond with capabilities of S300 and claim that it's not a threat. They say it along other arguments. EU countries selling arms to Russia, France working with Russia in Libya. F35 purchaser UAE buying Russian weapons like Pantsir in lots and giving to proxies, bankrolling Wagner. German submarines using Russian systems, Israeli F-35 operate in Russian controlled airspace in Syria. RAF operates F35 in Cyprus next to Russian base. We balanced Russia in Syria, Libya, Caucasus. Made a complete fool of them. Balancing Iran. Helping Ukraine, Georgia. Stepping in Afghanistan. Countering China in Pakistan. Many more and we get sanctioned and kicked out of program that we have been in for almost 2 decades

 

[Cabatli_TR]

s300 means nothing to Turkey, neither do the other old russian systems. All were humiliated by Turkish drone warfare recently. Its best the greeks keep them up and running thinking they are protected. They will end up just as shocked as Assad, Haftar and Pashinyan who all had russian air defence systems.

The conditions are created by the politicians at the table, so it's not technical. Greece has been operating these systems for over a decade, and there has never been such an agenda in the US until now. This issue came to light when sanctions were imposed on Turkey for the purchase of the S400. One of Turkey's main strong arguments is the US's two-faced policy on this issue, and it is highly likely that these issues were used as cards at the negotiation table. I mean this is a normal negotiation procedure where Turkey is against US terms. This Greek S300 in NATO issue was mentioned many times in open channels as well.

Russian SAM systems have performed poorly not because they are really weak technically, but because of the effectiveness of the Turkish swarm drone + EW concept, so the Patriots or Crotale in the Greek inventory will face greater challenges against strategic Turkish drones with longer range heavier ammunition. I want to remind you that the Saudi Patriots also failed in Iran's swarm drone attack, which targeted Saudi oil refineries. On the other hand, while Israeli F16s were trying to escape from Syrian airspace, Syria's obsolete S200 missile shot down Israel's modern F16 aircraft. Russian cargo plane was shot down by same missile in another incident when Israeli F16s were trying to escape from this obsolete missile and used Russian cargo plane as a shield to them. It's about how you use them.

 

[GoatsMilk]

hypocrisy and the USA go hand in hand. Talking as if logic and reason come into such discussions is foolish.

But you wouldnt want greeks to get rid of these systems that the Turkish military can easily neutralise. You are doing the greeks a big favour by putting restrictions on their russian junks. Because once they lose it they will panic to buy newer modern systems instead.

 

[Akritas]

S300 is still operating and monitor whole the air activity of the region.
The only that it cant see/detect are Rafale and F35.

 

[Huelague]

S300 is still operating and monitor whole the air activity of the region.
The only that it cant see/detect are Rafale and F35.

You can’t see/detect Rafale?