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TÜBiTAK is gradually getting there.
- Russia How the Russian intelligence complex Ironia-M is used in Ukraine.
- Russia The launch of the UAV Siberia-1, the work of Russian signalmen.
- Russia In Russia, the production of 375 Cheytac sniper cartridges has begun.
- Russia Russia begins modernization of MLRS missiles.
- Iran exchanges heavy gunfire with Taliban on Afghan border, escalating tensions over water rights
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Confirmed by Fatih Mehmet Kücük from Defence Turk.
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Kazakhstan looks weird
Kazakhstan has bought the Anka and it shows on the TAI customers map.
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Can this potentially be a Chinese front operation to examine the drones?They are becoming the Egypt of UCAVs. Getting one of each
I don't remember how exactly I confirmed it but signing of an agreement gets the buyer on the operators list.
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Bangladesh to buy Turkey's Bayraktar TB2 combat drone
Ankara's unmanned combat aerial vehicles have been effective in Ukraine's defence against Russian attacks
www.middleeasteye.net
Bangladesh joins the TB2 club, apparently | Shephard
Media reports suggest that the Bangladesh military has opted for the hottest UAV on the market at the moment, the Bayraktar TB2.
www.shephardmedia.com
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I believe that a UAV that takes off vertically but cruises like a fixed-wing aircraft can meet a very important need for naval platforms. Of course, this requires major changes in the system, especially in the propulsion system for in terms of Fly Bvlos's Jackal, because of being able to transform it from a small-scale system to a full scale tactical UAV.
As an pionering country in tactical UAVs usage within wide of varieties, We should be able to operate tactical class UAVs with TB-2's class altitude, cruise speed, relatively high endurance, and lift capacity in the helicopter hangars of platforms such as destroyers/frigates that do not have runway on them, and we should be able to take-off and land these platforms from the aft deck either with a vertical take-off system or, if not possible, with a telescopic, modular launch system. Or it could launched with a launch crane and the UAV lands on the sea and is towed from the sea to the hangar with the help of a crane.
I think there are two or three shortcuts to achieve this type of system, the first is to provide R&D support to FlyBVLOS or any other similiar company, which is working on this type VTOL models (DASAL for example), and propulsion system redisgned over TEI, There could be emerge specialized variant for the navy with 4 weapon station CATS/Radar pods. If some of leading defense companies provide support, a fixed-wing VTOL UAV group could emerge in this way. When we are able to produce this type of aircraft with powerful engines, it can also share the mission load of naval ASW/ASuW helicopters.
The second way is for TAI to prioritize its work in unmanned helicopter area among all the urgent projects. Option B of the 2nd path is to re-configure re-scale helicopter UAVs of companies such as TITRA or any other similiar companies currently working on unmanned helicopters, as attack platforms with further developments.
The third way is (unorthodox method lol) to reconfigure the TB-2 with a top hook and folding wing, and allow a second party company to develop a suitable launch and capture system for this reconfigured variant. Perhaps if Vestel could build a catapult-launched tactical UAV, it would be easier to develop a naval variant on that model.
I think all three paths(it could be more) should proceed simultaneously on their own course. There is a need for a large number of tactical UAV system development and experimental projects that will respond to the Navy's unique needs or where these approaches can be tested.
While many industrialists in our country are enthusiastic about the defense industry, more specifically unmanned systems (sea/land/air), and are looking for opportunities to enter the sector, they can more easily gain a place in the sector through niche and innovative approaches by supporting bright project teams, rather than in areas that are competitive and require high costs and experience. In this context, naval tactical UAVs may be a better investment area, as they require a significant product diversity in all types and classes. Instead of trying to be a competitor to the Tb-'2 or a rival to the Anka, becoming a second-party company that can adapt these platforms to different needs, or investing in a system that can replace the work of these systems at sea, albeit in a more limited way, offers a significant window of opportunity by current situation in the Turkish defense industry.
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Bell's V247 concept
Northop's MQ-8
Aurora Flight Sciences' Side ARM concept, supported by DARPA
As an pionering country in tactical UAVs usage within wide of varieties, We should be able to operate tactical class UAVs with TB-2's class altitude, cruise speed, relatively high endurance, and lift capacity in the helicopter hangars of platforms such as destroyers/frigates that do not have runway on them, and we should be able to take-off and land these platforms from the aft deck either with a vertical take-off system or, if not possible, with a telescopic, modular launch system. Or it could launched with a launch crane and the UAV lands on the sea and is towed from the sea to the hangar with the help of a crane.
I think there are two or three shortcuts to achieve this type of system, the first is to provide R&D support to FlyBVLOS or any other similiar company, which is working on this type VTOL models (DASAL for example), and propulsion system redisgned over TEI, There could be emerge specialized variant for the navy with 4 weapon station CATS/Radar pods. If some of leading defense companies provide support, a fixed-wing VTOL UAV group could emerge in this way. When we are able to produce this type of aircraft with powerful engines, it can also share the mission load of naval ASW/ASuW helicopters.
The second way is for TAI to prioritize its work in unmanned helicopter area among all the urgent projects. Option B of the 2nd path is to re-configure re-scale helicopter UAVs of companies such as TITRA or any other similiar companies currently working on unmanned helicopters, as attack platforms with further developments.
The third way is (unorthodox method lol) to reconfigure the TB-2 with a top hook and folding wing, and allow a second party company to develop a suitable launch and capture system for this reconfigured variant. Perhaps if Vestel could build a catapult-launched tactical UAV, it would be easier to develop a naval variant on that model.
I think all three paths(it could be more) should proceed simultaneously on their own course. There is a need for a large number of tactical UAV system development and experimental projects that will respond to the Navy's unique needs or where these approaches can be tested.
While many industrialists in our country are enthusiastic about the defense industry, more specifically unmanned systems (sea/land/air), and are looking for opportunities to enter the sector, they can more easily gain a place in the sector through niche and innovative approaches by supporting bright project teams, rather than in areas that are competitive and require high costs and experience. In this context, naval tactical UAVs may be a better investment area, as they require a significant product diversity in all types and classes. Instead of trying to be a competitor to the Tb-'2 or a rival to the Anka, becoming a second-party company that can adapt these platforms to different needs, or investing in a system that can replace the work of these systems at sea, albeit in a more limited way, offers a significant window of opportunity by current situation in the Turkish defense industry.
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Bell's V247 concept
Northop's MQ-8
Aurora Flight Sciences' Side ARM concept, supported by DARPA
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A solution is already designed for that purpose. Just gotta enhance it.I believe that a UAV that takes off vertically but cruises like a fixed-wing aircraft can meet a very important need for naval platforms. Of course, this requires major changes in the system, especially in the propulsion system for in terms of Fly Bvlos's Jackal, because of being able to transform it from a small-scale system to a full scale tactical UAV.
As an pionering country in tactical UAVs usage within wide of varieties, We should be able to operate tactical class UAVs with TB-2's class altitude, cruise speed, relatively high endurance, and lift capacity in the helicopter hangars of platforms such as destroyers/frigates that do not have runway on them, and we should be able to take-off and land these platforms from the aft deck either with a vertical take-off system or, if not possible, with a telescopic, modular launch system. Or it could launched with a launch crane and the UAV lands on the sea and is towed from the sea to the hangar with the help of a crane.
I think there are two or three shortcuts to achieve this type of system, the first is to provide R&D support to FlyBVLOS or any other similiar company, which is working on this type VTOL models (DASAL for example), and propulsion system redisgned over TEI, There could be emerge specialized variant for the navy with 4 weapon station CATS/Radar pods. If some of leading defense companies provide support, a fixed-wing VTOL UAV group could emerge in this way. When we are able to produce this type of aircraft with powerful engines, it can also share the mission load of naval ASW/ASuW helicopters.
The second way is for TAI to prioritize its work in unmanned helicopter area among all the urgent projects. Option B of the 2nd path is to re-configure re-scale helicopter UAVs of companies such as TITRA or any other similiar companies currently working on unmanned helicopters, as attack platforms with further developments.
The third way is (unorthodox method lol) to reconfigure the TB-2 with a top hook and folding wing, and allow a second party company to develop a suitable launch and capture system for this reconfigured variant. Perhaps if Vestel could build a catapult-launched tactical UAV, it would be easier to develop a naval variant on that model.
I think all three paths(it could be more) should proceed simultaneously on their own course. There is a need for a large number of tactical UAV system development and experimental projects that will respond to the Navy's unique needs or where these approaches can be tested.
While many industrialists in our country are enthusiastic about the defense industry, more specifically unmanned systems (sea/land/air), and are looking for opportunities to enter the sector, they can more easily gain a place in the sector through niche and innovative approaches by supporting bright project teams, rather than in areas that are competitive and require high costs and experience. In this context, naval tactical UAVs may be a better investment area, as they require a significant product diversity in all types and classes. Instead of trying to be a competitor to the Tb-'2 or a rival to the Anka, becoming a second-party company that can adapt these platforms to different needs, or investing in a system that can replace the work of these systems at sea, albeit in a more limited way, offers a significant window of opportunity by current situation in the Turkish defense industry.
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Bell's V247 concept
Northop's MQ-8
Aurora Flight Sciences' Side ARM concept, supported by DARPA
Manned tail-sitters were not practical and were abandoned but an unmanned version could be practical. Still curious why they were not employed earlier. As the design is already very old there shouldn't be any valid patents on them anymore either. Baykar didn't even have an attempt on this design while they made their shipboard VTOL DİHA. TAI can have a go with this.
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Just a quick question so this post wouldn't be a sh*tpost:
How long do you guys think we can create our AI library for aerial combat? The plane should have 100s of 1000s of hours of flight data consisting of different circumstances etc. Am I wrong? How much of that process can be solved in a simulation environment i.e. digitally?
I want Kızılelma to dogfight so bad...
