Azerbaijan Armenia Tensions

[Barry]

Nothing about amending the Armenian constitution to remove territorial claims on azerbaijan, or border demarcation?

 

[Huelague]

And if tomorrow they start restricting or limiting access , or even start doing favours towards the armenians at your expense, what can you do about it? What insurance do you have should the americans not uphold their side of the bargain?

Honestly i think you kicked a demon out only to invite the devil in. With the americans there is very possible for the armenians to become hostile again.

Azerbaijan invited nobody. Its Armenian territory.

 

[2033]

The presence of the U.S. in the region was necessary to balance Russia and Iran. I think it was a good agreement for Azerbaijan. Those who say that the U.S. will control the Zangezur Corridor and thereby control Türkiye’s access to Central Asia are mistaken; we can also access it through Georgia.

 

[Perun]

...the most destructive crusader state in the middle east.

From this and your previos post i see that you have some issue against Christianity.
Israel is "crusader" state as much as you are crusader because they care about Christians just much as you do.

And this game between Turkey and Israel is long one, but time is on Turkish side. If you compare Turkish military capabilities, economy, industry... now and 30 years before you can see great advance. If this advance is not interupted by some war then 30 years from now Turkey will be much stronger

 

[GoatsMilk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1954091290129289541

On August 8, 2025, a peace agreement ending the 35-year war between Armenia and Azerbaijan was initialed at the White House. The date, August 8, coinciding with the anniversary of Russia’s 2008 intervention in South Ossetia, symbolizes the U.S.’s return to the South Caucasus and a new phase in its Russia–Iran containment strategy. The ceremony, marked by the two leaders’ excessive flattery of Trump and their Nobel nomination suggestion, became an indicator of global moral decay in the shadow of the ongoing massacre in Gaza. The most critical outcome of the agreement for Turkey is the 44-km Zengezur Corridor. The corridor’s construction and operation rights being granted to the U.S. for 99 years pose significant geopolitical risks for Turkey, Russia, and Iran. While the corridor connects Turkey directly to Azerbaijan and Central Asia, the U.S.’s entrenchment in the region signifies a new American encirclement line in the South Caucasus. This can be seen as a modern version of the historical “Caucasian Wall.” U.S. control could weaken Russia and Iran’s connections through Armenia, which resist hegemony, and potentially create obstacles for China’s “Belt and Road” initiative, which also offers opportunities for Turkey. If Turkish–American relations deteriorate, the corridor could be used against Turkey. The ultimate goal should be to establish Eurasia-centered peace and cooperation among Turkey, Russia, Iran, Azerbaijan, and Armenia, keeping the South Caucasus free from U.S. influence. As long as this corridor remains under Washington’s control, it will serve American Turanism and provide opportunities to strain Turkish–Russian and Turkish–Iranian relations in the future, which must not be overlooked. While strengthening ties with the Turkic world, we cannot ignore the potential to tip delicate global balances against us. In a context where a new process has been initiated for Hezbollah to disarm in Lebanon, which Hezbollah opposes; Israel has announced a Gaza annexation plan reminiscent of Hitler’s so-called final solution; Greece’s newly declared maritime spatial planning map, supported by the U.S. and EU, mirrors the Sevilla map that pushes Turkey toward the continent; articles in the media discuss Israel’s consideration of military intervention in Northern Cyprus and the necessity of establishing a Kurdish state with sea access; the Serb president in the Bosnia-Herzegovina federation has been sacked; and the FBI has placed a bounty on Venezuela’s elected president Maduro, who resists the U.S., the initialing of this agreement stands out. History holds the answer to how lasting the gains are when approaching the West, showering the U.S. and Trump with flattery and praise. In the 1990s, Ankara repeatedly agreed to Operation Provide Comfort, paving the way for an autonomous Kurdish state in Iraq. The same grave mistake was made in Syria after 2013. Not only did millions of refugees flood into our country, but we also became direct neighbors with Israel. Post-Cold War, the CIA’s FETO structuring in Central Asia was practically applauded, and the results are clear. In short, every initiative orchestrated by the U.S. only serves its interests. Turkey has evidently not objected to this development in the South Caucasus. Under heavy financial pressure, Ankara, which sees its geopolitical future in aligning with U.S. hegemony and is steering toward increasingly risky and dangerous waters, must act with great caution. We must learn from history. With his “Caucasian Wall” definition, Atatürk referred to the chain of pro-Western buffer states—Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Armenia—that Britain sought to establish in the Caucasus after World War I. In a letter sent on September 5, 1920, to Eastern Front Commander Kâzım Karabekir Pasha and other commanders, Atatürk emphasized that the “Caucasian Wall” was created to sever Anatolia’s land connection with the Turkish–Islamic world and stressed that its destruction was essential for both national security and strategic unity with the Turkic world. Let us remind ourselves: history does not repeat itself for the wise.





I'm not a fan of cems concern for Iran and Russia, neither are concerned for us and ideally its good both are turning into regional losers. But the general sentiment i agree with.

In the long run this is bad news is probably going to be bad news for Turkiye.

 

[Lool]

A big mistake to allow the US to enter Armenia. Turkey will regret it in the future for sure

However, I would like to point out that Turkey cant do nothing about it (even if it wanted to) since Pashinyan is trying to survive with his teeth and nails and the only way to do that is by ditching Russia and becoming a pet to the US. Moreover, some online sources reported that Aliyev was in favour of having the US get involved as the Azeris are honestly fed up with the Russians and are continuously being threatened by them. In other words, for Azerbaijan, it is better to have the US enter the region but for Turkey, it is a bad scenario

 

[500]

Ironic, if Armenia loses Karabakh completely it will be the best thing happened to them. They can start concentrating on Armenia itself: fight corruption, start trade with Turkey and Azerbaijan, cut military spends and became more or less a normal country.

On the other hand if Azeri victory wont be decissive, then things in Armenia will get even much worse: corrupt leaders will return to power, they will boost military spends and nationalistic histeria.

It happened. A huge loss for Russia and Iran. Both Azerbaijan and Armenia win.

Russo-Iranian axis have a meltdown:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1953925816749850941

 

[Huelague]

All borders to Armenia will opened. Türkiye with his big market, Azerbaijan with his huge resources and Georgia of course. Iranian dictatorship is coming to an end and they must be adapt to the new economic truth.

Congratulations to all!
Enemies, unteachables and people lagging behind, will always search and found of failures. This people can not be helped.

The thing is, we gave Mullahs and Persians the opportunity, but they missed the chance. Now, they will have Turks, American, Russian and Jews on her North border.

 

[BordoEnes]

It happened. A huge loss for Russia and Iran. Both Azerbaijan and Armenia win.

Russo-Iranian axis have a meltdown:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1953925816749850941

The very fact it is even globally known as the "Zangezur Corridor" shows the inevitably and diplomatic weight behind it. I have never seen Armenians this mad about a name before lol

 

[Century]

All borders to Armenia will opened. Türkiye with his big market, Azerbaijan with his huge resources and Georgia of course. Iranian dictatorship is coming to an end and they must be adapt to the new economic truth.

Congratulations to all!
Enemies, unteachables and people lagging behind, will always search and found of failures. This people can not be helped.

The thing is, we gave Mullahs and Persians the opportunity, but they missed the chance. Now, they will have Turks, American, Russian and Jews on her North border.

This is just my opinion: I don't believe Armenia will just forget 1915 because Turkey’s got a “big market.” That’s like telling someone to move in with the guy who burned their house down because he’s got Netflix Premium. And Azerbaijan? Pretty sure Armenians haven’t exactly been sending them Christmas cards since the whole “losing land and thousands displaced” thing a couple years back. Karabakh wasn’t some minor border tiff, Rather it was a national trauma that I have little confidence will be over looked by the general public. At the beginning of the conflict, the public seemed to be more forgiving.

An IRI poll in Feb and March 2021 found that:
1. A majority of Armenians wanted the government to focus on domestic issues like the economy, political stability, and reintegrating displaced Artsakh residents (97 % and 92 %, respectively).
2. Despite the shock of the conflict, 33 % said they would still vote for the ruling party if elections were held immediately, and over 50 % held a “very” or “somewhat” favorable view of the Prime Minister’s office.

However, A 2023 Gallup poll found that over 80 % disapproved of PM Pashinyan’s statement recognizing Nagorno-Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan (Arka). Then, In mid-2024, mass protests erupted when Armenia handed over four border villages to Azerbaijan and many accused Pashinyan of betrayal and called for his resignation.
According to a May 2025 CRRC poll, only 15 % of respondents trusted Pashinyan and his party and 55 % said they trusted no political force at all.
From the latest IRI survey (June 2025), Pashinyan’s approval dropped to 13 %, down from 16 % in Sept 2024. The Armed Forces (72 %) and the Armenian Apostolic Church (58 %) remain the most trusted institutions.

Sure, money and defense deals can make weird bedfellows, but this isn’t going to be some cheerful ribbon-cutting at the border. If anything happens, it’ll be slow, grudging, and probably full of side-eyes across the table.

It would not surprise me in the slightest if there are groups that take up arms against this, causing issues with this deal.

 

[Azeri441]

To the people saying it was a mistake to let in US to the region, you guys do realize Armenia has a massive Russian base right? bringing US is better than having Russia in the region.

 

[GoatsMilk]

To the people saying it was a mistake to let in US to the region, you guys do realize Armenia has a massive Russian base right? bringing US is better than having Russia in the region.

Lets say the americans start playing up Azerbaijan and then start directly arming and training the armenians. Then the armenians start making regional claims, what does Azerbaijan do about it?

Russia could be curtailed to a degree with Turkish pressure a pressure that was only going to grow with Turkish military developments.

You see the americans played a similar game to Turkiye over the kurdistan project in both iraq and sryia, they were even using their bases in Turkiye to move weapons to the YPG/PKK.

Honestly i think in time you will all realise that it was a massive mistake to allow the USA into the region, its safer with Russia there. Russia can be dealt with to a degree, but Turkiye cannot pressure the USA. If Armenians provoke problems and the relationship turns sour again, now they got the americans directly with them on their lands against you.

 

[Century]

Lets say the americans start playing up Azerbaijan and then start directly arming and training the armenians. Then the armenians start making regional claims, what does Azerbaijan do about it?

Russia could be curtailed to a degree with Turkish pressure a pressure that was only going to grow with Turkish military developments.

You see the americans played a similar game to Turkiye over the kurdistan project in both iraq and sryia, they were even using their bases in Turkiye to move weapons to the YPG/PKK.

Honestly i think in time you will all realise that it was a massive mistake to allow the USA into the region, its safer with Russia there. Russia can be dealt with to a degree, but Turkiye cannot pressure the USA. If Armenians provoke problems and the relationship turns sour again, now they got the americans directly with them on their lands against you.

US involvement definitely risks inflaming tensions, especially if they start backing Armenia militarily and politically. But trusting Russia to keep the peace? That’s like handing your house keys to the guy who’s been stealing from you. Russia’s own interests rarely align with regional stability, and their “curbing” is often just a smokescreen for domination. At least with the US involved, there’s a bigger player whose reputation and stakes might make outright chaos a less attractive option, though yeah, it’s a risky gamble either way.

 

[GoatsMilk]

US involvement definitely risks inflaming tensions, especially if they start backing Armenia militarily and politically. But trusting Russia to keep the peace? That’s like handing your house keys to the guy who’s been stealing from you. Russia’s own interests rarely align with regional stability, and their “curbing” is often just a smokescreen for domination. At least with the US involved, there’s a bigger player whose reputation and stakes might make outright chaos a less attractive option, though yeah, it’s a risky gamble either way.

Its not about trusting Russia to keep peace. Its about having the required leverage to protect your own interests. Turkiye was hitting a point where we were able to contend with Russia as seen in Azerbaijan, Libya, Syria. As Turkish developments progress that gap was closing. Then with the Russian Ukrainian disaster they further buried themselves. Turkiye had the capacity to move things towards her interests in the region, whether it took another 10 to 20 years or not. She has no capacity to deal with america should the agenda thats playing out all around Turkiye decide to play in that section of Armenia they will have complete access and control over.

Russia in Armenia to me is far safer then the USA in Armenia. It was the same in syria, the USA and Russia both protected the PKK, it was only really the regions where Russia protected them that we able to apply pressure on. The regions with the US and now the Isrealis entering is going to be near impossible to contend with.

 

[Century]

Its not about trusting Russia to keep peace. Its about having the required leverage to protect your own interests. Turkiye was hitting a point where we were able to contend with Russia as seen in Azerbaijan, Libya, Syria. As Turkish developments progress that gap was closing. Then with the Russian Ukrainian disaster they further buried themselves. Turkiye had the capacity to move things towards her interests in the region, whether it took another 10 to 20 years or not. She has no capacity to deal with america should the agenda thats playing out all around Turkiye decide to play in that section of Armenia they will have complete access and control over.

Russia in Armenia to me is far safer then the USA in Armenia. It was the same in syria, the USA and Russia both protected the PKK, it was only really the regions where Russia protected them that we able to apply pressure on. The regions with the US and now the Isrealis entering is going to be near impossible to contend with.

Leverage is one thing, but acting like Turkey’s some unstoppable force ignores reality. It's not. The MPT-76 sucks, and Russia’s beaten down but still a player, and the U.S. isn’t exactly handing over the keys anytime soon. Saying Turkey “has no capacity” against America sounds like bravado mixed with wishful thinking. The U.S. loves flipping the script when it suits them. Turkey’s long game might be real, but global powers don’t play nice and Turkey’s about to find that out the hard way.

 

[Barry]

The US being involved is basically telling you that they're setting the stage for future frozen conflicts where you can't touch them or Armenia because they'll be protected. What a fucking waste of men, material, planning and time. Turkish influence and ideas are at an end in the caucus.

 

[Azeri441]

Lets say the americans start playing up Azerbaijan and then start directly arming and training the armenians. Then the armenians start making regional claims, what does Azerbaijan do about it?

Russia could be curtailed to a degree with Turkish pressure a pressure that was only going to grow with Turkish military developments.

You see the americans played a similar game to Turkiye over the kurdistan project in both iraq and sryia, they were even using their bases in Turkiye to move weapons to the YPG/PKK.

Honestly i think in time you will all realise that it was a massive mistake to allow the USA into the region, its safer with Russia there. Russia can be dealt with to a degree, but Turkiye cannot pressure the USA. If Armenians provoke problems and the relationship turns sour again, now they got the americans directly with them on their lands against you.

and why would US arm Armenia? US wants to sell weapons to Azerbaijan and is removing Section 907, and ExxonMobil is about to invest heavily into new oil discoveries in Azerbaijan, so why would US arm Armenia against Azerbaijan, when Azerbaijan is a more beneficial partner to US.

and you do realize Russia was literally Armenia itself for decades right? Russia gave Armenia a lot of free weapons, but you are out here creating a hypothetical scenario of US arming Armenia

this is also not inviting US, it will be an independent US based company running operations, US is not deploying troops

if you think Russia in the region is better than US, you have literally 0 understanding in the South Caucasus.

 

[Huelague]

This is just my opinion: I don't believe Armenia will just forget 1915 because Turkey’s got a “big market.” That’s like telling someone to move in with the guy who burned their house down because he’s got Netflix Premium. And Azerbaijan? Pretty sure Armenians haven’t exactly been sending them Christmas cards since the whole “losing land and thousands displaced” thing a couple years back. Karabakh wasn’t some minor border tiff, Rather it was a national trauma that I have little confidence will be over looked by the general public. At the beginning of the conflict, the public seemed to be more forgiving.

An IRI poll in Feb and March 2021 found that:
1. A majority of Armenians wanted the government to focus on domestic issues like the economy, political stability, and reintegrating displaced Artsakh residents (97 % and 92 %, respectively).
2. Despite the shock of the conflict, 33 % said they would still vote for the ruling party if elections were held immediately, and over 50 % held a “very” or “somewhat” favorable view of the Prime Minister’s office.

However, A 2023 Gallup poll found that over 80 % disapproved of PM Pashinyan’s statement recognizing Nagorno-Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan (Arka). Then, In mid-2024, mass protests erupted when Armenia handed over four border villages to Azerbaijan and many accused Pashinyan of betrayal and called for his resignation.
According to a May 2025 CRRC poll, only 15 % of respondents trusted Pashinyan and his party and 55 % said they trusted no political force at all.
From the latest IRI survey (June 2025), Pashinyan’s approval dropped to 13 %, down from 16 % in Sept 2024. The Armed Forces (72 %) and the Armenian Apostolic Church (58 %) remain the most trusted institutions.

Sure, money and defense deals can make weird bedfellows, but this isn’t going to be some cheerful ribbon-cutting at the border. If anything happens, it’ll be slow, grudging, and probably full of side-eyes across the table.

It would not surprise me in the slightest if there are groups that take up arms against this, causing issues with this deal.

I can understand your pessimism and skepticism, but best example is German holocaust and relation to Jews. And there are many examples sideways through the history of mankind, where former “enemies”, were partners.

Looking always to the past will not help you to form the future. “Stack on the past or live for the future”. I think that current Armenian habitant wants to have a future for themselves and the coming children. The new corridor can help to realize these future.

Of course, there are some people who will always live in the past, and you can not help these people. But in my opinion, most Armenian people will accept that fact, that their “enemies” are the only logical choice, for a bright future. Don’t trust to much in surveys, you don’t know who made with which intention.

 

[Huelague]

Leverage is one thing, but acting like Turkey’s some unstoppable force ignores reality. It's not. The MPT-76 sucks, and Russia’s beaten down but still a player, and the U.S. isn’t exactly handing over the keys anytime soon. Saying Turkey “has no capacity” against America sounds like bravado mixed with wishful thinking. The U.S. loves flipping the script when it suits them. Turkey’s long game might be real, but global powers don’t play nice and Turkey’s about to find that out the hard way.

You are “good informed” for a South Korean, who live in Canada.

 

[GoatsMilk]

and why would US arm Armenia? US wants to sell weapons to Azerbaijan and is removing Section 907, and ExxonMobil is about to invest heavily into new oil discoveries in Azerbaijan, so why would US arm Armenia against Azerbaijan, when Azerbaijan is a more beneficial partner to US.

why would USA not only want to arm the PKK but endeavour to build them a state from 4 sovereign nations? Not least one of those nations being a NATO member and big purchaser of US weapons. Is Turkiye not a more beneficial partner to the USA then PKK rats? America also has investments in Turkiye while all of this takes place.

and you do realize Russia was literally Armenia itself for decades right? Russia gave Armenia a lot of free weapons, but you are out here creating a hypothetical scenario of US arming Armenia

Yes but the difference between Armenia and Azerbaijan got wider in the military sphere. While the difference between Turkiye and Russia was shrinking. Turkish military capacity every couple of years takes a leap, Russia looks like their rotting away. The point im making is that today Turkiye and Azerbaijan can contend to a degree with Russia. 10 years from now once Turkish fighter jets are up in the air Russia wouldnt be an issue at all in the immediate region. The US is not something Turkiye can counter.

this is also not inviting US, it will be an independent US based company running operations, US is not deploying troops

Once the US has their foot in the door, if they so decide they will do as they please. Remember Azerbajian was portrayed as the aggressor in the recent war by the collective west, not just the USA. Tomorrow if they need troops in the region they will get Armenia to instigate troubles, you will retaliate and they will claim you are the aggressor and say they need to send troops to protect Armenia.

if you think Russia in the region is better than US, you have literally 0 understanding in the South Caucasus.

Again Turkiye and Azerbaijan could navigate Russia in the region. If things with the USA turn sour and the americans have a big big history of betraying their allies, Turkiye and Azerbaijan will be able to do nothing about it.

The real issue for me is that you have zero recourse should things turn sour. Turkiye was a big ally for the USA, its not stopped them working to balkanise us.