Analysis Azerbaijan, Turkey, and Pakistan's geopolitical triangle

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Azerbaijan, Pakistan, and Turkey maintain a robust trilateral relationship that is increasingly important to the security, economic, and diplomatic interests of all three countries.

This partnership has only become more apparent since Turkey and Pakistan’s involvement in the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh War on Azerbaijan’s side. Under the leadership of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, President Ilham Aliyev, and Prime Minister Imran Khan, these three countries’ strong triangular relationship continues to deepen.

Deep ties between these three countries are nothing new. Turkey and Pakistan have a rich history of bilateral relations preceding the latter’s independence in 1947. After the collapse of the Soviet Union 30 years ago, Turkey and Pakistan were the first two countries to recognise Azerbaijan as a newly independent nation-state.

In more recent history, Erdogan has visited Azerbaijan more than 20 times during his presidency. Underscoring the extent of relations between Ankara and Baku is the phrase “one nation, two states” that many Turks and Azerbaijanis use to describe their relationship.

There is a major military dimension to this three-way relationship. Between 2016 and 2019, Turkey became Pakistan’s fourth-largest arms importer (surpassing the United States) while Pakistan became Turkey’s third greatest market for weapons exports. Already, Turkish military technology transfers and sales have included drone parts, naval vessels, and bombs. One major reason that Pakistan views Turkey as a go-to arms dealer is the fact that Islamabad wants to avoid both excessive dependency on China and the West for weapons.

But the relationship isn’t one-sided. Turkey has turned to Pakistan in the hopes of jointly developing missiles and fighter aircraft systems after Washington put a hold on transferring these technologies to Ankara after it acquired the Russian S-400 air defence system. Also, one year ago at the Turkey-Pakistan-High-Level Dialogue Group meeting, officials from both countries discussed Islamabad lending support to a nuclear program in Turkey.

Ankara’s arms sales to Azerbaijan have surged in recent years. In fact, in 2020 such Turkish military exports to Baku increased six-fold. The month before last year’s Nagorno-Karabakh war erupted, sales of Turkish drones and other weapons reached $77 million.

Azerbaijan has also played an important humanitarian role in Pakistan since the mid-2000s, mostly through the Heydar Aliyev Foundation, a charitable organisation headed by Azerbaijan's First Lady Mehriban Aliyeva. Such Azerbaijani assistance to Pakistan has mostly been in areas of education, ecology, and health. Some of these projects have included an all-girls school in Musaffarabad and the Heydar Aliyev Water Supply Scheme project in Dera Ismail Khan.

Since the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war, Ankara, Baku, and Islamabad have taken steps to further boost trilateral relations. In July 2021, Turkish Parliament Speaker Mustafa Şentop along with his Pakistani and Azerbaijani counterparts, Asad Qaiser and Sahiba Gafarova, signed the Baku Declaration following a trilateral meeting in the Azerbaijani capital. This declaration stressed the commitment of these three countries to enhancing cooperation through cultural ties, mutual respect, and growing confidence with an emphasis on the need to promote peace and stability.

In September 2021, the Azerbaijani, Turkish, and Pakistani militaries carried out an eight-day-long joint military drill in Baku dubbed “Three Brothers—2021”. Officially, the aim was to boost existing ties between the three countries and find newer ways for combatting terrorism.

However, “Three Brothers—2021” led to heightened tensions between Azerbaijan and Iran as officials in Tehran perceived the tripartite exercise as threatening to the Islamic Republic. Although Iran’s government has been fully aware of the extent to which Turkey and Azerbaijan are close, it was Pakistan’s involvement that alarmed Iranian officialdom.

It is safe to assume that in the aftermath of the 2020 war, Iranian concerns about the geopolitical ramifications of Baku’s victory will continue unsettling the Islamic Republic, especially as a historic ally of Armenia, leaving Tehran somewhat nervous about such future trilateral military drills near its territory.

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Meeting of the Ministers of Foreign Affairs of Pakistan, Turkey, Azerbaijan in Islamabad, Pakistan on 13 January 2021. [Getty]

Economics

Azerbaijan, Turkey, and Pakistan are all situated along ancient trade corridors. Like China with its ambitious Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), these three Eurasian countries seek to revive such ancient routes for the purpose of creating new jobs and increasing the quality of life for Azerbaijanis, Turks, and Pakistanis.

Throughout this year, officials from Ankara, Baku, and Islamabad have discussed ways to intensify existing collaboration in the domains of trade, investment, transportation, tourism, banking, and so on. In January, the three countries’ chief diplomats signed the “Islamabad Declaration” that aims to deepen such ties.

For now, one opportunity for these countries to boost economic relations pertains to the situation in and near Nagorno-Karabakh. Although Iranian firms hoped to win the reconstruction contracts for rebuilding destroyed infrastructure in this mountains enclave following last year’s war, the contracts have thus far been awarded to the Turks and Pakistanis- itself a source of friction between Baku and Tehran.

Lowering risks of international isolation

In terms of understanding this trilateral relationship, it’s not all about military cooperation, arms sales, trade, and economics. Diplomacy and soft power are also significant in Ankara, Baku, and Islamabad’s three-way relationship.

It is important to consider how important support from allies and partners is when countries go up against their enemies either in military conflicts or in diplomatic feuds. No state wants to be internationally isolated on issues that are near to its core interests. Azerbaijan, Turkey, and Pakistan’s three-way relationship has ensured that none of these countries are left diplomatically isolated on the international stage when it comes to their struggles with neighbouring states. Over the years, this has been demonstrated many times.

Both Ankara and Islamabad have stood in defence of Azerbaijan’s position on Nagorno-Karabakh. Pakistan’s defence of Baku on this conflict has resulted in the West Asian country being the only state in the world that does not recognise Armenia’s independence.

In last year’s war between Azerbaijan and Armenia, Baku benefitted from military technology that was imported from Pakistan and proved important to Azerbaijan’s retaking of land in and near Nagorno-Karabakh. Of course, Turkey was the foreign power that made the biggest difference in that 44-day war. Turkish Bayraktar TB-2 drones and other forms of support from Ankara greatly contributed to Azerbaijan coming out on top.

After the Indian government abrogated article 370, Pakistan’s position on Kashmir received fervent support from both Turkey and Azerbaijan. This fact has led to significant friction between New Delhi, on one side, and Ankara and Baku, on the other. President Erdogan addressed the UN General Assembly in September 2020, bringing attention to Kashmir and calling it a “burning issue” one year after India’s government ended Kashmir’s relative autonomy.

“Even if Azerbaijan does not have a major say in global politics, its stance on Kashmir is a matter of concern for New Delhi,” said Khalid Rahman, the head of the Institute of Policy Studies, an Islamabad-based think tank.

In October 2019, the Turkish military targeted the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK)-linked Peoples’ Protection Units (YPG) in northern Syria in Operation Peace Spring. Despite a long list of governments worldwide (with Hungary and Qatar being two exceptions) condemning Ankara’s anti-YPG operations, Azerbaijan and Pakistan lent support to Ankara.

Similarly, for many years Baku and Islamabad have supported Ankara’s position on Cyprus despite international pushback. In August 2021, Pakistani President Arif Alvi gave a speech at a ceremony held in Turkey for the launch of the MILGEM-class corvette ship that the Turks built for Pakistan. Alvi expressed his country’s support for the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC), stating that Pakistan is “one” with the TRNC. “With our hearts, we stand in unity with the Turkish people,” said Pakistan’s president.

Pakistan's value to Ankara and Baku

Azerbaijan’s close alliance with Turkey is a well-known pillar of Baku’s foreign policy agenda, while the former Soviet Republic that borders Turkey is critical to Ankara’s ability to project geopolitical and economic influence eastward into the Caspian Sea and Central Asia. Yet, there is clearly a desire from both Ankara and Baku to bring Pakistan into their defence nexus.

“Pakistan considers Azerbaijan as another prospective market for its defence equipment mainly the JF17 thunder fighter jets,” Umar Karim, a fellow at the Royal United Services Institute for Defence and Security Studies, told The New Arab.

“Since Azerbaijan has the necessary resources and would like to diversify its armament in order to dilute its dependence on Russia, Pakistan and Turkey are naturally very favourable alternatives. Thus, Azerbaijan can become a client of Pakistan's military hardware like Nigeria or Argentina.”

Then there are special benefits that come from allying with a country that belongs to the nine-member club of nuclear-armed states, and which has soft-power influence in certain parts of the Islamic world. “Baku is mostly relying on the diplomatic power of Pakistan,” explained TRT World’s Turan Gafarli in an interview with TNA.

“Pakistan’s power and influence among the Muslim nations is a great asset.” Gagarli also explained that “there is a huge advantage to have a nuclear nation [on one’s side], therefore Pakistan will continue to be a great asset to Azerbaijan especially noting being a nation of 250 million strong.”

The future

Azerbaijan, Turkey, and Pakistan may not directly face all the same threats. But they are bonded by culture, history, and a determination to bring trilateral cooperation to new heights in military, economic, and energy fields. Both in terms of hard-power and soft-power, such as addressing Islamophobia and oppression of Muslims in certain parts of the world, there is much common cause and shared thinking that brings these three states together.

One of the biggest challenges facing Pakistan is the threat of chaos as well as more refugee flows spilling over from Afghanistan. The odds are good that Islamabad will turn to Ankara and Baku when it comes to securing Pakistani national interests vis-à-vis the uncertain situation in Afghanistan several months after the Taliban’s return to power.

Ambitiously, the Ankara-Baku-Islamabad partnership seeks to create new realities in greater Eurasia that can advance the national interests of all three countries. Moving forward, it will be important to examine the extent to which other powers (Iran, Tajikistan, Russia, Qatar, etc.) might see the deepening of this trilateral partnership as beneficial and/or threatening to their own interests. It also remains to be seen if any of these countries end up joining this axis of cooperation.

What is clear is that Azerbaijan and Pakistan see a rising Turkey as positive for their own foreign policy interests. Rather than remaining stuck in a geostrategic game of balancing the US with Russia and China, a deeper partnership with Ankara can provide Baku and Islamabad with more options.

Giorgio Cafiero is the CEO of Gulf State Analytics.

Follow him on Twitter: @GiorgioCafiero

Emily Milliken is Senior Vice President and Lead Analyst at Askari Associates and a Junior Fellow at the American Foreign Policy Council

 

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Interesting. Didn't know Turkey considered Pakistan an ally - the two countries and societies couldn't be more different based on the expats / immigrants I've met abroad. What binds them?
 
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Interesting. Didn't know Turkey considered Pak an ally - the two countries and societies couldn't be more different based on the expats / immigrants I've met abroad. What binds them?

We are not allies, just close relations for now until Turkey butt's heads with China in Central Asia. Otherwise it is one of the most damaging relations for Turkey that Turks can not see.

What binds them is misconception and ignorance of the Turkish people and diplomats. Pakistanis have had a free ride claiming the funds given by Muslims in the sub-continent, Indians, Bengalis, Afghans alike sent during the WW1 and the Turkish independence war.

Turkey has given Pakistan unwavering diplomatic support on the world scene, isolating Turkey from major economic centres like India and Bangladesh.

Pakistan, on the other hand, has folded under the pressure of the Gulf in attending a simple summit in Malaysia, tried to sideline Turkey in Afghanistan and the Islamic republic is a fervent supporter of the Uyghur genocide and Chinese ambitions in Central Asia. But oh they don't recognise irrelevant Armenia lol

They once even dreamt of influencing and controlling the Uzbeks and Central Asians that once conquered them.

As for the people, couldn't be farther apart from each other.

Turkey, with all its faults, is fairly open-minded, religiously moderate, secular, nationalist, love Ataturk and are fairly tolerant for the most part to the point even our religious bigots would be considered liberals in Pakistan.

Pakistan, someone gets lynched every other day on rumoured blasphemy, majority hate Ataturk and secularism, try to get some legitimacy using Islam for there weird invented identity.

As for the new iron brothers on the block, the Azeri Turks it gets even worse, half the population of Pakistan will want them dead once they find out Azeri Turks are Shia and even more secular then Turks in Turkey.

I noticed online Pakistanis are very quick to turn from "Brother" to "Murtad Kemalist Turks" when Turks do not do there bidding.

The exile of Turks from the last forum says it all... imagine those without Internet.
 

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What binds them?
From what I have observed Indians and Americans could belong to differant mmmm planets to put it mildly. So to answer your Q figure out what binds USA and India and you have managed to figure this Rubiks cube.

Might be idea to look at what convergence of interests means.
 
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We are not allies, just close relations for now until Turkey butt's heads with China in Central Asia. Otherwise it is one of the most damaging relations for Turkey that Turks can not see.

What binds them is misconception and ignorance of the Turkish people and diplomats. Pakistanis have had a free ride claiming the funds given by Muslims in the sub-continent, Indians, Bengalis, Afghans alike sent during the WW1 and the Turkish independence war.

Turkey has given Pakistan unwavering diplomatic support on the world scene, isolating Turkey from major economic centres like India and Bangladesh.

Pakistan, on the other hand, has folded under the pressure of the Gulf in attending a simple summit in Malaysia, tried to sideline Turkey in Afghanistan and the Islamic republic is a fervent supporter of the Uyghur genocide and Chinese ambitions in Central Asia. But oh they don't recognise irrelevant Armenia lol

They once even dreamt of influencing and controlling the Uzbeks and Central Asians that once conquered them.

As for the people, couldn't be farther apart from each other.

Turkey, with all its faults, is fairly open-minded, religiously moderate, secular, nationalist, love Ataturk and are fairly tolerant for the most part to the point even our religious bigots would be considered liberals in Pakistan.

Pakistan, someone gets lynched every other day on rumoured blasphemy, majority hate Ataturk and secularism, try to get some legitimacy using Islam for there weird invented identity.

As for the new iron brothers on the block, the Azeri Turks it gets even worse, half the population of Pakistan will want them dead once they find out Azeri Turks are Shia and even more secular then Turks in Turkey.

I noticed online Pakistanis are very quick to turn from "Brother" to "Murtad Kemalist Turks" when Turks do not do there bidding.

The exile of Turks from the last forum says it all... imagine those without Internet.
all of you said are true
 

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The exile of Turks from the last forum says it all
Mashallah as they say. So your going to use a non representative forum as basis to support your contention. You must be lot wiser then all your political, military. diplomatic elite and more in the know.
 

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Uzbeks and Central Asians that once conquered them.
What does that have anything to do with anything? Most peoples have been conquered or converted at some stage. You should do a DNA test sometime and you would be surprised how much conquered blood courses through your veins versus conquerors.
 

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Doesn't change the fact you guys hate what makes the Turkish republic.

Every pakistani hates Ataturk to their guts they are islamists.
Well, if your contention was true then you have nothing to worry about. All this is just a mirage and no need for you to beat this dead donkey. Hate is a strong word. What or how you choose to run your country is is your business and most Pakistani's recognise this. There are avenues and highways named after Ataturk in Islamabad. Yet to see mobs asking for name change.

I don't want to press this forward as there are Turks here I call friends and i don't want to ruffle feathers. Suffice to say this forum as a select members of a 'flight' thus I expect a minority view to surface with higher frequency.

But before I go and you rip roar into a friendship witth India understand that Hindutvas reqard the Turks as the enemy of their peoples who invaded and brough a alien curse called Islam to thier lands.

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Pakistan, someone gets lynched every other day on rumoured blasphemy,
Lynching seems to be particular problem in South Asia. For every blasphemer who gets lynched in Pakistan a beef eater gets lynched in India. You gonna build up a geo-strategic structure on beef lynchers? I take it?

Me thinks this needs another 'mashallah'! :D
 

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We are not allies, just close relations for now until Turkey butt's heads with China in Central Asia. Otherwise it is one of the most damaging relations for Turkey that Turks can not see.

What binds them is misconception and ignorance of the Turkish people and diplomats. Pakistanis have had a free ride claiming the funds given by Muslims in the sub-continent, Indians, Bengalis, Afghans alike sent during the WW1 and the Turkish independence war.

Turkey has given Pakistan unwavering diplomatic support on the world scene, isolating Turkey from major economic centres like India and Bangladesh.

Pakistan, on the other hand, has folded under the pressure of the Gulf in attending a simple summit in Malaysia, tried to sideline Turkey in Afghanistan and the Islamic republic is a fervent supporter of the Uyghur genocide and Chinese ambitions in Central Asia. But oh they don't recognise irrelevant Armenia lol

They once even dreamt of influencing and controlling the Uzbeks and Central Asians that once conquered them.

As for the people, couldn't be farther apart from each other.

Turkey, with all its faults, is fairly open-minded, religiously moderate, secular, nationalist, love Ataturk and are fairly tolerant for the most part to the point even our religious bigots would be considered liberals in Pakistan.

Pakistan, someone gets lynched every other day on rumoured blasphemy, majority hate Ataturk and secularism, try to get some legitimacy using Islam for there weird invented identity.

As for the new iron brothers on the block, the Azeri Turks it gets even worse, half the population of Pakistan will want them dead once they find out Azeri Turks are Shia and even more secular then Turks in Turkey.

I noticed online Pakistanis are very quick to turn from "Brother" to "Murtad Kemalist Turks" when Turks do not do there bidding.

The exile of Turks from the last forum says it all... imagine those without Internet.

Its not fair to give Pakistan crap for their alliance/ties with China. They have the west against them like Turkey, Russia is no friend either just like to them just like Turkey. But unlike Turkey they have a hostile enemy that dwarfs them as a neighbour in 1.2 billion India. In comparison we have Greece, which lets be honest the Turks generally see as a joke.

Yes Pakistan folded under Gulf pressure, but their nation is highly reliant on gulf capital. Most nations that take gulf capital become defacto hostile towards Turkey. Pakistan never allowed herself to become an enemy of Turkey.

Dreaming of empire is normal to all, just look at the greeks and their stupid megali idea. And greece is nothing compared to Pakistan. We can't judge them because they had ambitions to expand their power and reach.

As for all the cultural things, that stuff is mostly true. But at the same time my dad lives in England and most of his close friends tend to be Pakistani's/Bangladeshis.

But i do think this, the educated class in Pakistan would love to be able to create a state similar to Turkey. But all nations are limited by the common culture of their people. For all of erdogans attempts to Islamise Turkey, its mostly failed. Likewise you are not going to turn Pakistan into western liberal society over night.

But i dont think these things concern the common Turk when it comes to Geopolitics.

As for that forum for all you know it could have been taking chinese money, many people who run these forums make money off them. So they will control the narrative to the benefit of their investors.
 

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I personally see this as a general positive. The more friends, the better.

"B-b-but they are backwards Islamists!"

So are parts of Turkey and Azerbaijan. Just go up north close to the border with Russia in Azerbaijan and you'll see nutjobs with no less of a medieval mentality than those found in Pakistan. And I love my homeland dearly but I won't deny that if we didn't have an authoritarian government that has police beat the s**t out of citizens every other Tuesday but a fair one, we would have problems with Islamism akin to what Turkey has today. Hell, at least Turkey and Pakistan are actual democracies where citizens have a voice, lol. And my experience with Pakistanis in both America and Azerbaijan is that they aren't nearly as bad as you'd think from what you hear about the nation on the news.

I also think LegioXLupus' assertion that Pakistan is just a country of backwards Indian peasants clinging to Islam and hating Ataturk to be fairly incorrect and kinda racist. Ataturk was considered a role model to Pakistan's founders and Indian Muslims mourned his passing just the same in 1938. And Pakistan isn't exactly the same ethnically as India. The Indian sub-continent as a whole is like a smaller Europe. Actually, now that I think about it, India is basically what would happen if Europe was one country.
 

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From what I have observed Indians and Americans could belong to differant mmmm planets to put it mildly. So to answer your Q figure out what binds USA and India and you have managed to figure this Rubiks cube.

Might be idea to look at what convergence of interests means.
Agreed. But India and USA have been adverserial most of the time - India being closer to the Soviet Union during the cold war. It is a combination of convergence of interests in China and growing clout of Indian immigrants / expats in the US which brought the two together. I don't know what the equivalent connection between Turkey and Pak is.
 

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We are not allies, just close relations for now until Turkey butt's heads with China in Central Asia. Otherwise it is one of the most damaging relations for Turkey that Turks can not see.

What binds them is misconception and ignorance of the Turkish people and diplomats. Pakistanis have had a free ride claiming the funds given by Muslims in the sub-continent, Indians, Bengalis, Afghans alike sent during the WW1 and the Turkish independence war.

Turkey has given Pakistan unwavering diplomatic support on the world scene, isolating Turkey from major economic centres like India and Bangladesh.

Pakistan, on the other hand, has folded under the pressure of the Gulf in attending a simple summit in Malaysia, tried to sideline Turkey in Afghanistan and the Islamic republic is a fervent supporter of the Uyghur genocide and Chinese ambitions in Central Asia. But oh they don't recognise irrelevant Armenia lol

They once even dreamt of influencing and controlling the Uzbeks and Central Asians that once conquered them.

As for the people, couldn't be farther apart from each other.

Turkey, with all its faults, is fairly open-minded, religiously moderate, secular, nationalist, love Ataturk and are fairly tolerant for the most part to the point even our religious bigots would be considered liberals in Pakistan.

Pakistan, someone gets lynched every other day on rumoured blasphemy, majority hate Ataturk and secularism, try to get some legitimacy using Islam for there weird invented identity.

As for the new iron brothers on the block, the Azeri Turks it gets even worse, half the population of Pakistan will want them dead once they find out Azeri Turks are Shia and even more secular then Turks in Turkey.

I noticed online Pakistanis are very quick to turn from "Brother" to "Murtad Kemalist Turks" when Turks do not do there bidding.

The exile of Turks from the last forum says it all... imagine those without Internet.
Ah. The Khilafat movement. Got it.

Although the leaders of the Khilafat movement themselves were from Central India, not present day Pakistan.
 

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Lynching seems to be particular problem in South Asia. For every blasphemer who gets lynched in Pakistan a beef eater gets lynched in India. You gonna build up a geo-strategic structure on beef lynchers? I take it?

Me thinks this needs another 'mashallah'! :D

We don't share anything in common with Indians either, I could have told you that.

Advocating Turkish neutrality in SE Asia should not offend you, quicker countries pull out of damaging positions the better.

I'm for cooperation of all sorts, with Isreal, Pakistan, India etc. We have already seen rabia does not help foriegn policy however let's not pretend this exchange is not mostly in favour of Pakistan and damaging to Turkey.

And let's face it Pakistan has flaked on Turkey in the face of meaningful pressure when it mattered, rightly so looked after its interest. So Turkey should be neutral as Pakistan is.

Ah. The Khilafat movement. Got it.

Although the leaders of the Khilafat movement themselves were from Central India, not present day Pakistan.

Let's call it a collective effort? Now try explaining that to 45 yo ummati AK dayi, diplomats and "analysts" who think it is Turkey's responsibility to look after 5 million Syrians and goes ape shit over 100 commercial drones sold to India because it might offend Pakistan.

Yes Pakistan folded under Gulf pressure, but their nation is highly reliant on gulf capital. Most nations that take gulf capital become defacto hostile towards Turkey. Pakistan never allowed herself to become an enemy of Turkey.

They are closer to the Gulf then to Turkey, sometimes silence and going MIA you choose your side already. At least the Gulf has realised and adjusted there stance to them. Our ummat clowns can carry on with Rabia Zindabad.

What does that have anything to do with anything? Most peoples have been conquered or converted at some stage. You should do a DNA test sometime and you would be surprised how much conquered blood courses through your veins versus conquerors.

Only Pakistanis, AK comars from Mount Hira and Olympus who liked your post resort to these arguments when Turks put there countries interest before the ummah.
 

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We don't share anything in common with Indians either, I could have told you that.

Advocating Turkish neutrality in SE Asia should not offend you, quicker countries pull out of damaging positions the better.

I'm for cooperation of all sorts, with Isreal, Pakistan, India etc. We have already seen rabia does not help foriegn policy however let's not pretend this exchange is not mostly in favour of Pakistan and damaging to Turkey.

And let's face it Pakistan has flaked on Turkey in the face of meaningful pressure when it mattered, rightly so looked after its interest. So Turkey should be neutral as Pakistan is.



Let's call it a collective effort? Now try explaining that to 45 yo ummati AK dayi, diplomats and "analysts" who think it is Turkey's responsibility to look after 5 million Syrians and goes ape shit over 100 commercial drones sold to India because it might offend Pakistan.



They are closer to the Gulf then to Turkey, sometimes silence and going MIA you choose your side already. At least the Gulf has realised and adjusted there stance to them. Our ummat clowns can carry on with Rabia Zindabad.



Only Pakistanis, AK comars from Mount Hira and Olympus who liked your post resort to these arguments when Turks put there countries interest before the ummah.

You do realise that the Muslim Ummah gives us Turks lots of soft power that our power is being felt across the Middle East, North Africa, Central Asia, South Asia and the Horn of Africa.

We will always be seen as leaders while the Arabs and the Persians despise it.
 
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We don't share anything in common with Indians either, I could have told you that.

Advocating Turkish neutrality in SE Asia should not offend you, quicker countries pull out of damaging positions the better.

I'm for cooperation of all sorts, with Isreal, Pakistan, India etc. We have already seen rabia does not help foriegn policy however let's not pretend this exchange is not mostly in favour of Pakistan and damaging to Turkey.

And let's face it Pakistan has flaked on Turkey in the face of meaningful pressure when it mattered, rightly so looked after its interest. So Turkey should be neutral as Pakistan is.



Let's call it a collective effort? Now try explaining that to 45 yo ummati AK dayi, diplomats and "analysts" who think it is Turkey's responsibility to look after 5 million Syrians and goes ape shit over 100 commercial drones sold to India because it might offend Pakistan.



They are closer to the Gulf then to Turkey, sometimes silence and going MIA you choose your side already. At least the Gulf has realised and adjusted there stance to them. Our ummat clowns can carry on with Rabia Zindabad.



Only Pakistanis, AK comars from Mount Hira and Olympus who liked your post resort to these arguments when Turks put there countries interest before the ummah.
Good said
 

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