Azerbaijan, Turkey, Pakistan joint SOF exercise "Three Brothers- 2021" begins in Baku

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We need Pakistan to keep Iran in check.

Turkey and Azerbaijan do exercise in the caspian sea and the Iranians get butthurt about it also Iran has threatened Pakistan also Turkey.

Iran has also constantly meddled in Azerbaijan.

This exercise to send a message to Iran and Russia.
As s much I know Iran is a old time trading partner of Pakistan and china has much proximity with Iran , and till date Pakistan has never went against Chinese will , I don't think Pakistan can show teeth to Iran in near future
 

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Practically? nothing. Missiles, brotherhood, ottoman empire is fetish talk.



Stratigically, Iran, take Iran out of the equation we would be at each others throats. The beauty of geopolitics.

Outside of Turkey and Isreal, Azerbaijan got no support other then statements.
Iran and Pakistan won't go against each other due to new found proximity of Iran with china
 

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Yeah they not there yet but honestly no one is there yet... almost every muslim country is broken if we look at the economy and millitarily. But making a union of solid brothers would be awsome😍 i dont seems like pakistan would do that to be honest, the ties between turkey and pakistan is huge now. You made a good point about china. Pakistan relys on china both in investments and projects. Turkey cant compete in this field right now but i think pakistan will keep a balance between the countries and play their card right. At the moment i dont think china and turkey will beef. Maybe in 10-20 years turkey would be in a much better place economically!
And ....

China will be in much better place too , so this imbalance will continue
 

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And ....

China will be in much better place too , so this imbalance will continue
You dont necesarily have to have as big economy as china,but lets say a better economy. In the end china would have to adapt..
 

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Practically? nothing. Missiles, brotherhood, ottoman empire is fetish talk.



Stratigically, Iran, take Iran out of the equation we would be at each others throats. The beauty of geopolitics.

Outside of Turkey and Isreal, Azerbaijan got no support other then statements.
Pakistan did provide their air force expertise and they do have nuclear weapons. I find that way too many people just outright dismiss Pakistan, even among Turks and Azerbaijanis, despite Pakistan being one of the few genuinely friendly nations in the region.
 

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Pakistan did provide their air force expertise and they do have nuclear weapons. I find that way too many people just outright dismiss Pakistan, even among Turks and Azerbaijanis, despite Pakistan being one of the few genuinely friendly nations in the region.

What expertise? literally propaganda originated from Greek City Times lol and picked up by Indian media, Pakistanis eat it willingly because it suits the "nombor 1 pilots in Muslim world" narrative.

Pilot and trainer exchange programs are very standard practice and numbers are less then a handful. I dont see Turks raving on about training 2 or 3 Pakistani exchange pilot candidates every year.

On nuclear weapons, transfering nuclear technology and weapons talk is teenager level.

It is easy to not recognise and go against countries you have nothing to lose against (Armenia, Israel, Cyprus) it is another matter to go against western and gulf counterparts of economic and strategic interest. Can Pakistan back Turkey unconditionally (politically speaking) like Turkey has backed Pakistan on the Kashmir issue? Giving up a potential trade market in the billions, like India and up to recently Bangladesh.

Your answer is in the U turn at Malaysia summit. Pakistan can be a friendly nation at best but not brothers.
 
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Iran and Pakistan won't go against each other due to new found proximity of Iran with china

Difference is Iran is not dependent on China, it is a two way relationship because they have something to give back in return.

"We stand behind our Turk brothers and recognise a UN map" is about what it takes for the people here to declare a country brothers lol we would be blood brothers with the FSA if they applied the same standards lol.

We are close enough geographically speaking to know what FSA and Arabs are but not what Pakistan is. Had we been closer to know, Syrians would be welcomed with red carpets lol.
 

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What expertise? literally propaganda originated from Greek City Times lol and picked up by Indian media, Pakistanis eat it willingly because it suits the "nombor 1 pilots in Muslim world" narrative.

Pilot and trainer exchange programs are very standard practice and numbers are less then a handful. I dont see Turks raving on about training 2 or 3 Pakistani exchange pilot candidates every year.

On nuclear weapons, transfering nuclear technology and weapons talk is teenager level.

It is easy to not recognise and go against countries you have nothing to lose against (Armenia, Israel, Cyprus) it is another matter to go against western and gulf counterparts of economic and strategic interest. Can Pakistan back Turkey unconditionally (politically speaking) like Turkey has backed Pakistan on the Kashmir issue? Giving up a potential trade market in the billions, like India and up to recently Bangladesh.

Your answer is in the U turn at Malaysia summit. Pakistan can be a friendly nation at best but not brothers.
Oh, so this is Greek propaganda?


Or this?


Greek City Times exaggerated the hell out of the news but it's not fundamentally incorrect. Even a broken clock can be right twice a day.

Turkey absolutely did rely on Pakistan's air expertise to make up for cooling in the relationship with the US, which was responsible before for training Turkish pilots in America. And I wasn't talking about nuclear knowledge transfer but simply having a nuclear power as an ally since that kind of stuff would be done under the table anyway but it is a good plus point. Who else would Turkey get that might be willing to do that? China? India? Russia? Ukraine? LMAO.

Going against Armenia, Israel and Cyprus isn't exactly small-time stuff. It has had an impact on Pakistan's foreign relations. I am generally neutral on the Kashmir issue but I'm not gonna pretend that there isn't some messed-up stuff going on there, much like how, despite generally liking Israel, I am not going to pretend that they haven't done some pretty messed-up things to Palestinians in the past despite Hamas being bloodthirsty idiots.

Bangladesh hasn't had bad relations with Turkey since the 1970s until 2012 or thereabouts when Erdogan complained about Jamaat-e-Islami leaders being tried and convicted and that had nothing to do with Pakistan. And no offense to Indian users here but if you genuinely think that India would've been Turkey's best friend without Pakistan, you aren't very familiar with Turkish-Indian history.

I am not in any way blind to how screwed up Pakistan is in its own way but pretending like they have nothing to offer is the height of ludicrousness. You wouldn't even have computer viruses and anti-viruses and the whole field of cyber-security in the modern world if it weren't for a Pakistani guy.
 

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Oh, so this is Greek propaganda?


Or this?


Greek City Times exaggerated the hell out of the news but it's not fundamentally incorrect. Even a broken clock can be right twice a day.

Turkey absolutely did rely on Pakistan's air expertise to make up for cooling in the relationship with the US, which was responsible before for training Turkish pilots in America. And I wasn't talking about nuclear knowledge transfer but simply having a nuclear power as an ally since that kind of stuff would be done under the table anyway but it is a good plus point. Who else would Turkey get that might be willing to do that? China? India? Russia? Ukraine? LMAO.

Going against Armenia, Israel and Cyprus isn't exactly small-time stuff. It has had an impact on Pakistan's foreign relations. I am generally neutral on the Kashmir issue but I'm not gonna pretend that there isn't some messed-up stuff going on there, much like how, despite generally liking Israel, I am not going to pretend that they haven't done some pretty messed-up things to Palestinians in the past despite Hamas being bloodthirsty idiots.

Bangladesh hasn't had bad relations with Turkey since the 1970s until 2012 or thereabouts when Erdogan complained about Jamaat-e-Islami leaders being tried and convicted and that had nothing to do with Pakistan. And no offense to Indian users here but if you genuinely think that India would've been Turkey's best friend without Pakistan, you aren't very familiar with Turkish-Indian history.

I am not in any way blind to how screwed up Pakistan is in its own way but pretending like they have nothing to offer is the height of ludicrousness. You wouldn't even have computer viruses and anti-viruses and the whole field of cyber-security in the modern world if it weren't for a Pakistani guy.
That virus thing isn't serious right ?? Is it ?

If you belonged to hacking world , you would know that it was like furst pandemic virus , virus were developed earlier too . That one went global because they tried to do something else with it and ended up uploading on ibm server
 

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Turkey absolutely did rely on Pakistan's air expertise to make up for cooling in the relationship with the US, which was responsible before for training Turkish pilots in America. And I wasn't talking about nuclear knowledge transfer but simply having a nuclear power as an ally since that kind of stuff would be done under the table anyway but it is a good plus point. Who else would Turkey get that might be willing to do that? China? India? Russia? Ukraine? LMAO

Did you even read the links you posted, the Eurasia times uses kathimerini as a source LOL, AC clearly says the the request for trainers was denied by US. So where did you get Turkey relied on Pakistan? Turkey resorted to filling the gap with former airforce pilots.

Going against Armenia, Israel and Cyprus isn't exactly small-time stuff. It has had an impact on Pakistan's foreign relations. I am generally neutral on the Kashmir issue but I'm not gonna pretend that there isn't some messed-up stuff going on there, much like how, despite generally liking Israel, I am not going to pretend that they haven't done some pretty messed-up things to Palestinians in the past despite Hamas being bloodthirsty idiots.

Never had relations with them in the first place, nothing on the plate to lose. Being anti Isreal conveniently is one of the glues that holds many nations together, Pakistan is one them. So selling that as we support Turkey is a nice bonus.


Bangladesh hasn't had bad relations with Turkey since the 1970s until 2012 or thereabouts when Erdogan complained about Jamaat-e-Islami leaders being tried and convicted and that had nothing to do with Pakistan. And no offense to Indian users here but if you genuinely think that India would've been Turkey's best friend without Pakistan, you aren't very familiar with Turkish-Indian history.

It had a lot to do with Pakistan and our ummet policies because it had direct implications and was tied to Pakistan - Bangladesh politics. Bangladesh broke away from Pakistan, Turkey has been on good terms recently, only after these two countries resolved much of there own problems.

No one said Turkey and India would be best friends, only Turkeys insistence on Kashmir has no logical reason apart from friendly relations with Pakistan and keeping the ummet happy. Even the gulf stance on Kashmir makes more sense because they know where the money is.

I am not in any way blind to how screwed up Pakistan is in its own way but pretending like they have nothing to offer is the height of ludicrousness

I judge by action and sacrifice not statements. U turn at Malaysia summit happened when Turkey - Gulf tensions were at its peak.

Not supporting Armenia wow it is like Turkey refusing to support Burundi ffs.
 
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Turkey and Azerbaijan have territorial proximity , what does pakistan bring to the group ??

This is hilarious an Indian trying to fish between brotherly nations. I use to hear people saying Indian IQ is very poor but I guess it was correct after all seeing your posts.

What can Pakistan offer Let me see hmm!! perhaps checkmating you.

On serious note tho India can't really offer anything to anyone in Eurasia because they are geographically cut off by Pakistan and China hence they can't offer anything and stragetically isolated by Pakistan and China hence Pakistan is a big player whereas India is a minor one on the world scale main while India is just used by other powers to counter weight against either Pakistan or China but they themselves are not players hence Pakistan has outdone them everywhere in geopolitics, weaponry and everything else.

In the larger picture of things aligning with Pakistan benefits both Azerbaijan and Turkey lets just assume for fun sake that Pakistan was not a brotherly country or just a christian country it would still be the more beneficial ally due to their influence in the world being just larger than India. Lets just assume India was the brotherly country it would still not be beneficial to Turkey and Azerbaijan as much as Pakistan would and why is this the reason let me explain.

The Pakistanis are just hell'va more comptent than the Indians plus they have secured a better geographical location compared to India hence they have access to Central Asia etc etc plus they are more vigilante and extremely independent minded people they have hot temper but much smarter than their Indian counterparts.

Pakistan did not only checkmated and stalemated India but had two proxies with two superpowers on her borders and come out on top in both cases. Pakistan can economically and politically safe Turkey in the far future main while India won't be able to do even if the roles were reversed.

Pakistan even checkmated India from all her borders giving Sri Lanka to China after the Indian supported tamil tigers were defeated and by Pakistani supported proxy in India's backyard in Sri Lanka? It was Pakistan and they still thank Pakistan. Sri Lanka is an enmey territory for India and China deployed troops there and there is Nepal another enemy territory bordering India plus Bangaladesh and China.

India is bogged completely down by pakistan chess-game this is the finesse Turkey needs and competency
 
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Oh, so this is Greek propaganda?


Or this?


Greek City Times exaggerated the hell out of the news but it's not fundamentally incorrect. Even a broken clock can be right twice a day.

Turkey absolutely did rely on Pakistan's air expertise to make up for cooling in the relationship with the US, which was responsible before for training Turkish pilots in America. And I wasn't talking about nuclear knowledge transfer but simply having a nuclear power as an ally since that kind of stuff would be done under the table anyway but it is a good plus point. Who else would Turkey get that might be willing to do that? China? India? Russia? Ukraine? LMAO.

Going against Armenia, Israel and Cyprus isn't exactly small-time stuff. It has had an impact on Pakistan's foreign relations. I am generally neutral on the Kashmir issue but I'm not gonna pretend that there isn't some messed-up stuff going on there, much like how, despite generally liking Israel, I am not going to pretend that they haven't done some pretty messed-up things to Palestinians in the past despite Hamas being bloodthirsty idiots.

Bangladesh hasn't had bad relations with Turkey since the 1970s until 2012 or thereabouts when Erdogan complained about Jamaat-e-Islami leaders being tried and convicted and that had nothing to do with Pakistan. And no offense to Indian users here but if you genuinely think that India would've been Turkey's best friend without Pakistan, you aren't very familiar with Turkish-Indian history.

I am not in any way blind to how screwed up Pakistan is in its own way but pretending like they have nothing to offer is the height of ludicrousness. You wouldn't even have computer viruses and anti-viruses and the whole field of cyber-security in the modern world if it weren't for a Pakistani guy.
We did not used pakistani pilots what are you bragging all about.
 
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Another crucial role of Pakistan if they decided to release the caged Indians they will run allover Turkic states the question is will russia come to their aid the answer is no Russia will only come to their aid if it is Taliban attacking the central Asian states which will never happen hence If Pakistan was to release India nobody could save Central Asia hence Turkey will have to intervene at that point to not lose her long term projects in central Asia.

Pakistan's is a gate-keeper on many fronts and someone who can be everywhere at the same time. The Turkic states are realizing nowadays especially Uzbekistan that their is a threat looming from India whos slowly becoming a pakistani ally and these people never noticed this threat in their entire lives before because Pakistan is just so good at holding them away and cut them off and very strong at keeping them where they are hence Central Asia is in peace but Uzbekistan is taking notice nowadays due to BJP's rise to power that something is brewing over there and it may spill over one day if they don't take measures and actully viewed bigger threat not the Taliban they know Taliban has no interests in Uzbekistan or Central Asia who themselves share the same worries
 

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Another crucial role of Pakistan if they decided to release the caged Indians they will run allover Turkic states the question is will russia come to their aid the answer is no Russia will only come to their aid if it is Taliban attacking the central Asian states which will never happen hence If Pakistan was to release India nobody could save Central Asia hence Turkey will have to intervene at that point to not lose her long term projects in central Asia.

Pakistan's is a gate-keeper on many fronts and someone who can be everywhere at the same time. The Turkic states are realizing nowadays specially Uzbekistan that their is a threat looming from India and these people never noticed this threat in their entire lives before because Pakistan is just so good at holding them away and cut them of and very strong at keeping them where they are hence Central Asia is in peace but Uzbekistan is taking notice nowadays due to BJP's rise to power that something is brewing over there and it may spill over one day and actully viewed bigger threat not the Taliban they know Taliban has no interests in Uzbekistan or Central Asia who themselves share the same worries

Yes yes sure Pakistan is the last castle and only but onlyyyy castle of Islam yar.

You should use your real flag lol.
 

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Another crucial role of Pakistan if they decided to release the caged Indians they will run allover Turkic states the question is will russia come to their aid the answer is no Russia will only come to their aid if it is Taliban attacking the central Asian states which will never happen hence If Pakistan was to release India nobody could save Central Asia hence Turkey will have to intervene at that point to not lose her long term projects in central Asia.

Pakistan's is a gate-keeper on many fronts and someone who can be everywhere at the same time. The Turkic states are realizing nowadays especially Uzbekistan that their is a threat looming from India whos slowly becoming a pakistani ally and these people never noticed this threat in their entire lives before because Pakistan is just so good at holding them away and cut them off and very strong at keeping them where they are hence Central Asia is in peace but Uzbekistan is taking notice nowadays due to BJP's rise to power that something is brewing over there and it may spill over one day if they don't take measures and actully viewed bigger threat not the Taliban they know Taliban has no interests in Uzbekistan or Central Asia who themselves share the same worries
@LegioXLupus this is what you are allying with ?? LMAO .

so sorry for turks , you guys have to bear all this , but wait ...... We hear these things daily , cute neighbors
 

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Truth hurts I guess. When the toiletless Indians find out that the ground realities just ain't working for them they turn to this..

A country without toilets what do you expect
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@Cabatli_53 troll spotted , if i reply him , burnol( a ointment for burns famous in india ) will be required in emergency purchase in bulk next second
 

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Pakistan did provide their air force expertise and they do have nuclear weapons. I find that way too many people just outright dismiss Pakistan, even among Turks and Azerbaijanis, despite Pakistan being one of the few genuinely friendly nations in the region.

Honestly Pakistan not recognising Armenia has to be the most based thing on this planet.

If only Turkey and Azerbaijan did the same. It would be hilarious and awesome. It just makes taking Erivan even easier as armenia is just a fake proxy state that lives on the Russian ruble.
 
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