Air-Force Breaking: B-21 Raider unveiled

Azeri441

Well-known member
Messages
311
Reactions
6 1,323
Nation of residence
Canada
Nation of origin
Azerbaijan
oh no how can I ever recover from that diss. They also use lancet and orlan drones as well.

wasn't a diss, it was a reality check, Russia has a lot of projects but can't afford any of them in large numbers, examples are Armata and Su-57

Russian defense industry is also pretty crippled right now due to lack of exports, so it will only get worse.
 

TR_123456

Experienced member
Staff member
Administrator
Messages
5,092
Reactions
12,696
Nation of residence
Nethelands
Nation of origin
Turkey

10 Facts About Northrop Grumman’s B-21 Raider​


Northrop Grumman’s B-21 Raider will be unveiled Dec. 2 at the company’s site in Palmdale, Calif., marking the first time the world’s first sixth-generation aircraft will be seen by the public. When delivered to the Air Force, the B-21 will join the nation’s strategic triad as a visible and flexible deterrent; supporting national security objectives and assuring the nation’s allies and partners.


When it comes to delivering America’s resolve, the Raider will provide the Air Force with long range, high survivability and mission payload flexibility. The B-21 will penetrate the toughest defenses for precision strikes anywhere in the world. Here are 10 key facts about Northrop Grumman’s B-21 Raider.


1. Sixth Generation. The B-21 Raider benefits from more than three decades of strike and stealth technology. It is the next evolution of the Air Force strategic bomber fleet. Developed with the next generation of stealth technology, advanced networking capabilities and an open systems architecture, the B-21 is optimized for the high-end threat environment. It will play a critical role in helping the Air Force meet its most complex missions.


2. Stealth. Northrop Grumman is continuously advancing technology, employing new manufacturing techniques and materials to ensure the B-21 will defeat the anti-access, area-denial systems it will face.


3. Backbone of the Fleet. The B-21 Raider forms the backbone of the future for U.S. air power. The B-21 will deliver a new era of capability and flexibility through advanced integration of data, sensors and weapons. Capable of delivering both conventional and nuclear payloads, the B-21 will be one of the most effective aircraft in the sky, with the ability to use a broad mix of stand-off and direct attack munitions.


4. A Digital Bomber. The B-21 is a digital bomber. Northrop Grumman uses agile software development, advanced manufacturing techniques and digital engineering tools to help mitigate production risk on the B-21 program and enable modern sustainment practices. Six B-21 Raiders are in various stages of final assembly and test at Northrop Grumman’s plant in Palmdale, California.

5. Cloud Technology. Northrop Grumman and the Air Force successfully demonstrated the migration of B-21 ground systems data to a cloud environment. This demonstration included the development, deployment and test of B-21 data, including the B-21 digital twin, that will support B-21 operations and sustainment. This robust cloud-based digital infrastructure will result in a more maintainable and sustainable aircraft with lower-cost infrastructure.


6. Open Architecture. To meet the evolving threat environment, the B-21 has been designed from day one for rapid upgradeability. Unlike earlier generation aircraft, the B-21 will not undergo block upgrades. New technology, capabilities and weapons will be seamlessly incorporated through agile software upgrades and built-in hardware flexibility. This will ensure the B-21 Raider can continuously meet the evolving threat head on for decades to come.


7. A National Team. Since contract award in 2015, Northrop Grumman has assembled a nationwide team to design, test and build the world’s most advanced strike aircraft. The B-21 team includes more than 8,000 people from Northrop Grumman, industry partners and the Air Force. The team consists of more than 400 suppliers across 40 states.


8. Sustainment. Long-term operations and sustainment affordability has been a B-21 program priority from the start. In partnership with the Air Force, our team has made maintainability an equally important requirement to stealth performance to ensure we’re driving more affordable, predictable operations and sustainment outcomes.


9. Global Reach. The B-21 Raider will be the backbone of the U.S. bomber fleet and pivotal to supporting our nation’s strategic deterrence strategy. In addition to its advanced long-range precision strike capabilities that will afford Combatant Commanders the ability to hold any target, anywhere in the world at risk, it has also been designed as the lead component of a larger family of systems that will deliver intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, electronic attack and multi-domain networking capabilities.
In a dynamic global security environment, the B-21 will provide the flexibility and deterrence critical to the security of the U.S. and our allies.


10. Raider. The B-21 Raider is named in honor of the Doolittle Raid of World War II when 80 airmen, led by Lt. Col. James “Jimmy” Doolittle, and 16 B-25 Mitchell medium bombers set off on a mission that changed the course of World War II. The actions of these 80 volunteers were instrumental in shifting momentum in the Pacific theater. This marked the raid as a catalyst to a multitude of future progress in U.S. air superiority from land or sea. The courageous spirit of the Doolittle Raiders is the inspiration behind the name of the B-21 Raider.

1670167492329.png

Credit: Northrop Grumman

 

blackjack

Contributor
Moderator
Russia Correspondent
Russia Moderator
Messages
1,411
Reactions
8 815
Nation of residence
United States of America
Nation of origin
Russia
Ya looking forward to this. The latest design seems much more realistic than the original one. From the look of it, the exhaust lack any IR reduction measure
what is that the B-21? there are no patent designs on the PAK-DA last time i checked as well.

Technically yes, but not nearly the same class.
depends on the job as well smaller size less surface area, less surface area more stealth, the internal weapons bay can also carry the internal air to ground hypersonic missiles russia has developed for the Su-57.

wasn't a diss, it was a reality check, Russia has a lot of projects but can't afford any of them in large numbers, examples are Armata and Su-57

Russian defense industry is also pretty crippled right now due to lack of exports, so it will only get worse.

yes i take it that you also believed that russia will run out of supplies and missiles in ukraine as well :ROFLMAO:
Since you asked there are like 132 T-14 armates with 40+ more being ordered by the end of this year. There are 6 serial and 10 in production now where the numbers will increase. dont know about the reality part but dont let media shape it for you.
 
Last edited:

Oublious

Experienced member
The Netherlands Correspondent
Messages
2,165
Reactions
8 4,680
Nation of residence
Nethelands
Nation of origin
Turkey
They made it smoother, smaller and the wing are more pointly then the B2. Inlet are almost disappearing in the body.
 

Afif

Experienced member
Moderator
Bangladesh Correspondent
DefenceHub Diplomat
Bangladesh Moderator
Messages
4,755
Reactions
94 9,094
Nation of residence
Bangladesh
Nation of origin
Bangladesh
Well, there is a reason why Northrop Grumman is calling it 'The World's first Sixth-generation aircraft'.
 

Afif

Experienced member
Moderator
Bangladesh Correspondent
DefenceHub Diplomat
Bangladesh Moderator
Messages
4,755
Reactions
94 9,094
Nation of residence
Bangladesh
Nation of origin
Bangladesh

B-21 ‘Family Of Systems’ Details Emerge, Engine Test Runs Start​


Since its inception, the B-21 Raider stealth bomber program has always been about much more than just the bomber itself.
BYJOSEPH TREVITHICK|PUBLISHED SEP 12, 2023 7:05 PM EDT


The U.S. Air Force's new B-21 Raider stealth bomber is one step closer to its first flight with the start of engine test runs on the ground just being announced today. However, as the aircraft achieves new milestones, it is worth remembering that it is actually just a part — clearly the most visible one — of a "family of systems." The most exciting capabilities this family has to offer likely remain well hidden from view and some will not even be found anywhere on the plane itself. Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall opened up a bit to us about this shadowy realm of the B-21 program during a media round table yesterday at the Air & Space Forces Association's main annual symposium.

1694567921603.png


Kendall said the Long Range Strike family includes systems that will be integrated with the aircraft, like weapons and sensors, and ones that will "accompany" it. Descriptions of the latter category seem to, at least in part, allude to the existence of one or more additional very advanced aircraft designs, very likely stealthy and uncrewed, which may already be in service on some level, although Kendall did not discuss it.

Kendall also elaborated on how Raiders might work together with future advanced drones with high degrees of autonomy that be acquired through the Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA) program. That effort is part of the service's larger Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) modernization initiative that is also built around a family of systems. The B-21 and the strategically-focused Long-Range Strike ecosystem will complement the tactical-focused NGAD, and vice versa, and work is being done to allow the two ecosystems will mesh to gether wherever possible.

"The B-21 family of systems ... involves things that could be carried by or possibly accompany the B-21, things that can support it from off-board," Kendall said. "That includes munitions, it includes other things that could be used for defensive purposes, for example. So, that's really what that's all about."

"Unfortunately, an awful lot of that is classified," he added.

1694568012695.png


It has been publicly known, though not often discussed, that the B-21 would be just one component of a larger directly integrated ecosystem since the Air Force first began talking about programs that would lead to the Raider's development back in the late 2000s. The B-21 effort was originally called the Long Range Strike-Bomber (LRS-B) program, which was a part of what was described at the time as a Long Range Strike family of systems.

The nuclear-armed and stealthy Long Range Stand Off (LRSO) cruise missile, which B-21 and B-52 bombers will be able to employ, is another known component of the larger LRS effort. Now designated the AGM-181, the LRSO is set to replace the Air Force's existing AGM-86B air-launched nuclear cruise missile. Other weapon systems, including directed energy weapons, have also been mentioned in the past as part of the LRS family of systems concept.

This all fits in with Kendall's mention of "munitions" as part of the future B-21 family of systems. Directed energy weapons like lasers could be among the future onboard defensive capabilities he highlighted, which might also include things like advanced electronic warfare systems and decoys, or even hard-kill interceptors.

Tailored space-based surveillance and communications could also be part of this ecosystem.

One Air Force briefing slide from 2010, seen below, notably also mentions Penetrating Stand-in Airborne Electronic Attack (P-AEA); Penetrating Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance (P-ISR); and Enduring Command, Control, and Communication, as additional subcomponents of the LRS family of systems.

1694568199690.png


Some of these capabilities will be integrated onto the B-21 itself, as Secretary Kendall reiterated yesterday.

"The Raider was built with an open-systems architecture, which makes it highly adaptable. So as the United States continues to innovate, this bomber will be able to defend our country with new weapons that haven't even been invented yet," Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin had also said at the B-21's public rollout ceremony last December. "The B-21 is multi-functional. It can handle anything from gathering intel to battle management."

"The B-21 could be the delivery platform [for precision ordnance] or there could be other roles that it could play, whether it be sensor, or whether it be accompanied with different types of collaborative combat aircraft," Air Force Vice Chief of Staff Gen. David Allvin told Air & Space Forces Magazine last year. "It has the capability to do some very unique things, and those unique things may not fall into the traditional ‘Put bombs in the bomb bay, go as deep as you can, and drop bombs’ [playbook]."

That being said, the P-AEA and P-ISR elements, in particular, have long pointed to the possible existence of entirely separate aircraft. At the same time, there have been growing signs for some time now that a high-altitude stealth spy drone, referred to commonly as the RQ-180, is close to entering service, if it hasn't already on at least a limited basis.

From what has been gleaned over the years, the RQ-180 would be well suited to the P-AEA role, as well as the P-ISR and other mission sets, and could be an ideal enabler for the B-21. Further variants or derivatives of the RQ-180 could be better optimized for any of these functions, as well. These are all things that The War Zone has speculated on in the past.

1694568306021.png


The RQ-180, widely understood to be another Northrop Grumman flying-wing type design, may also have played a role in risk reduction efforts in support of the Raider's development.
Other aircraft designs could well be part of the B-21 family of systems. It is known that the Air Force actively considered, but ultimately abandoned plans for an uncrewed bomber-like aircraft that would've operated closely in concert with the B-21, something Secretary Kendall noted again yesterday.

"When we started the Operational Imperatives, we thought initially that we might find a good cost-effectiveness case for dedicated uncrewed Collaborative Combat Aircraft that would accompany the B-21," Kendall said. "That didn't turn out to be the case as we got into the analysis."

1694568354821.png


The Air Force is still exploring how its current vision for how it will employ CCAs, primarily in close coordination with crewed tactical jets in various roles, might extend to collaboration with the Raider.
"The kind of scenario ... just described, is a possibility, where, basically, the B-21 'picks up' CCAs as it gets closer to the operating area," Kendall said at the roundtable yesterday. "The CCAs could be managed forward, if you penetrate, as augmentation to the B-21. They could provide defensive capability around the B-21. They could provide better situational awareness, potentially, for the B-21."

The kind of off-board defensive capability that Kendall is describing here could be a loyal wingman-type drone or something more novel. The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) currently has a program called LongShot that is exploring the idea of an air-launchable drone armed with air-to-air missiles that fighters and bombers could employ. General Atomics just won a contract to actually build and test-fly a prototype LongShot design.

"Those sorts of things are possibilities," but are "not the main line [of effort]" for the CCA program, he added.
"The more we learn about the idea of the CCAs and how it can fit into our operating context, the more interesting and appealing it becomes," Kendall continued, speaking more generally. "That's one of the reasons somebody mentioned earlier the excitement about it. There's reason to be excited about it. It offers a lot of really interesting technical possibilities."

The Secretary had made a splash in March when he announced that the Air Force was planning around the acquisition of at least 1,000 CCAs, as well as 200 sixth-generation stealthy crewed combat jets as part of a separate NGAD subprogram. At that time, Kendall explained that the 1,000-CCA figure was based on a notional concept of operations involving two of the drones being paired with each of the 200 NGAD combat jets and 300 F-35A Joint Strike Fighters. He subsequently explained that the total planned size of this drone fleet and ideas for how they might be employed were still evolving.

1694568497507.png


"Initially, I said two to five [CCAs per crewed aircraft] was sort of the range... We would like to have at least two. More is better. You get more cost-effectiveness if you can do more," Kendall explained yesterday. "But you've got to have technology that can allow the crewed aircraft to control that number, and do it effectively, right? So that's still an unknown."

"What we're trying to get industry to do is to mature technology, to be creative, and then demonstrate to us what kind of capabilities they can provide and why it's cost-effective," he added. "And that's how we're going to be just selecting which ones [CCAs] we carry to the next phase of competition."

The War Zone just recently explored these very issues in extreme detail in the context of one company, Anduril, and its recent acquisition of another, Blue Force Technologies. The latter firm had been working on was primarily pitched as an uncrewed aggressor drone called Fury, which Anduril is now marketing more broadly, and that could be very relevant to the Air Force's needs. You can find that in-depth feature here.

The CCA program looks set to see fierce competition from many different companies. Top-tier U.S. defense contractors like Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, and Raytheon, have already laid out visions, explicitly or implicitly, for how they might meet the Air Force's requirements in this regard.

When it comes to the B-21 and its family of systems, more details emerge as the program moves along. At the same time, the Raider, and much about it, is currently highly classified and parts of it will remain that way for many years to come, given its critical centrality in the Air Force's future operational vision, especially when it comes to deterring China.
As it stands now, the Air Force is still hoping that the B-21's first flight will occur later this year and Raiders will begin entering operational service in the mid-2020s.
"We're still hopeful on having first flight this year," Secretary Kendall said yesterday, but immediately hedged his position. "If I were to say it will, I would be making a very specific prediction. And I never do that about an acquisition program for something that hasn't happened yet. Okay?"

In 2019, Air Force officials indicated that Raider could take to the skies for the first time in 2021, a public timeline that has since been pushed back multiple times.
What we do know is that the B-21 will be much more than we can see on the outside of the bomber, and far more than just the aircraft itself, to include possibly multiple tiers of uncrewed companions.


@Gary that thing is gonna be insane.

Space based sensor and hard kill defensive interceptors??? I mean, wtf?
 

Afif

Experienced member
Moderator
Bangladesh Correspondent
DefenceHub Diplomat
Bangladesh Moderator
Messages
4,755
Reactions
94 9,094
Nation of residence
Bangladesh
Nation of origin
Bangladesh
The way I see it is USAF will continue to be the dominant and desicive force in the sky throughout the 2060s and perhaps beyond.
 

Gary

Experienced member
Messages
8,361
Reactions
22 12,853
Nation of residence
Indonesia
Nation of origin
Indonesia
The way I see it is USAF will continue to be the dominant and desicive force in the sky throughout the 2060s and perhaps beyond.
I give it a century. Of course, I'm not betting the Americans to be defeated in any conventional battle during that century. Rather America will be weakened bit by bit from the inside, the seed which is being sowed by the struggle between the left and the conservatives r8 now.

But that's for another story.
 

Gary

Experienced member
Messages
8,361
Reactions
22 12,853
Nation of residence
Indonesia
Nation of origin
Indonesia
@Gary that thing is gonna be insane.

Space based sensor and hard kill defensive interceptors??? I mean, wtf?

On a serious note, I think the B-21 main advantage is not only its ELO characteristics but its ability to absorb information. Especially when they operate with RQ-180 nearby, mapping hostile forces faster and in detail.

1694568199690-png.61082


You can read about the RQ-180 capability here

We know from your post that the B-21 will not be a mere bomb truck, it is designed with missions beyond that.

"The B-21 could be the delivery platform [for precision ordnance] or there could be other roles that it could play, whether it be sensor, or whether it be accompanied with different types of collaborative combat aircraft," Air Force Vice Chief of Staff Gen. David Allvin told Air & Space Forces Magazine last year. "It has the capability to do some very unique things, and those unique things may not fall into the traditional ‘Put bombs in the bomb bay, go as deep as you can, and drop bombs’ [playbook]."
I imagine the Raider's ISR capability is like that of the F-35 but on steroids, we knew that the F-35 mapped enemy forces in a day which took traditional Western ISR mission a week.

The other thing I'm enthusiastic about is its combat radius and flight time. The B-2 manages 11000km unrefueled range, the ultra-efficient design of the B-21 should push the boundaries of combat range even further. They will need it because they'll also need to loiter long in the Pacific.
 
Last edited:

Afif

Experienced member
Moderator
Bangladesh Correspondent
DefenceHub Diplomat
Bangladesh Moderator
Messages
4,755
Reactions
94 9,094
Nation of residence
Bangladesh
Nation of origin
Bangladesh
On a serious note, I think the B-21 main advantage is not only its ELO characteristics but its ability to absorb information. Especially when they operate with RQ-180 nearby, mapping hostile forces faster and in detail.

1694568199690-png.61082


You can read about the RQ-180 capability here

We know from your post that the B-21 will not be a mere bomb truck, it is designed with missions beyond that.

"The B-21 could be the delivery platform [for precision ordnance] or there could be other roles that it could play, whether it be sensor, or whether it be accompanied with different types of collaborative combat aircraft," Air Force Vice Chief of Staff Gen. David Allvin told Air & Space Forces Magazine last year. "It has the capability to do some very unique things, and those unique things may not fall into the traditional ‘Put bombs in the bomb bay, go as deep as you can, and drop bombs’ [playbook]."
I imagine the Raider's ISR capability is like that of the F-35 but on steroids, we knew that the F-35 mapped enemy forces in a day which took traditional Western ISR mission a week.

The other thing I'm enthusiastic about is its combat radius and flight time. The B-2 manages 11000km unrefueled range, the ultra-efficient design of the B-21 should push the boundaries of combat range even further. They will need it because they'll also need to loiter long in the Pacific.

You don't have to assault my intelligence like that.😭
I do know about RQ-180.

And yes, teaming up with RQ-180 is gonna be speical. Also, with other future off board systems that they are not telling us for now.

But the integration of space based sensors into the system is what really got me.
 

Gary

Experienced member
Messages
8,361
Reactions
22 12,853
Nation of residence
Indonesia
Nation of origin
Indonesia
But the integration of space based sensors into the system is what really got me.

Space AWACS ? lmao

Anyway, one scenario I imagine is the B-21 would be instantly alerted by the US optical/infrared satellite like SBIRS of a hostile/multiple hostile missile launch. Then direct the B-21 towards one. China as we know bet on their DF-21 to kill US CSG, and it's the outmost importace to kill their launchers as immediately as possible once their launch position is detected. B-21 I imagine would plow right into the densest and thickest part of enemy A2/AD where those launchers are located.

Northrop+Grumman-Built+Missile+Tracking+Satellites+Reach+Tenth+Year+on+Orbit.jpg
 

blackjack

Contributor
Moderator
Russia Correspondent
Russia Moderator
Messages
1,411
Reactions
8 815
Nation of residence
United States of America
Nation of origin
Russia
Is it official yet to have more than 11,000kms for being smaller than the B-2? We can't even get an ass shot of the aircraft so that will raise doubts that they will talk about engine specs or what fuel efficiency it will have. I don't even think an Advent engine kind of design has been implemented yet if F-35s get priority for the engines 1st probably before NGAD, if it did it might help us determine what the range would be.
 

Gary

Experienced member
Messages
8,361
Reactions
22 12,853
Nation of residence
Indonesia
Nation of origin
Indonesia
Is it official yet to have more than 11,000kms for being smaller than the B-2? We can't even get an ass shot of the aircraft so that will raise doubts that they will talk about engine specs or what fuel efficiency it will have. I don't even think an Advent engine kind of design has been implemented yet if F-35s get priority for the engines 1st probably before NGAD, if it did it might help us determine what the range would be.

It is because of its slightly smaller size that the B-21 actually flies further than the B-2. This is confirmed by the NG chief exec

The B-21 Raider, which takes its name from the 1942 Doolittle Raid over Tokyo, will be slightly smaller than the B-2 to increase its range, Warden said. It won’t make its first flight until 2023. However, Warden said Northrop Grumman has used advanced computing to test the bomber’s performance using a digital twin, a virtual replica of the one unveiled Friday.

Also please also note that the B-21 will have only 2x powerplant instead of 4 in the B-2 further reducing fuel consumption.
 

Follow us on social media

Top Bottom