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Actually the most impressive battle of the red army was fought in Chinese Manchuria in 1945, the red army annihilated one million strong Japanese Kwantung Army in 9 days, I doubt any country can pull that off at that time besides the red army.

 

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Normandy happened just because the west knew if they still didn't do it, they would get nothing in Europe after the war which was soon to be finished, you can argue, but let's agree to disagree.
The same logic then, Soviet counter offensive only happen because the allies had landed in Sicily and Italian peninsula, hence stalin can't stand the fact that he'll lose his chance to expand. That explains the horrible Soviet losses.

The problem with ALL your arguments is that because X can do Y in Z specified time, the same could be repeated again and again.:ROFLMAO:
 

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The problem with ALL your arguments is that because X can do Y in Z specified time, the same could be repeated again and again.:ROFLMAO:
I didn't say those victories can be repeated again and again, I just said never underestimate Russia, people can learn some lessons from history. Actually Nato , on one hand , pulls out all stops to discredit Russia, on the other hand, still dares not to get directly involved, they still fear Russia.
 

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The Soviet wont win if the West don't intervene. The Studebaker trucks are prolly the single biggest contribution to Soviet union's victory in the war.
US sales and deliveries to Soviet-union certainly helped - but they had no impact on the outcome of the war - just look at German and Russian production figures
Without the Normandy and Italian invasion, soviet offensivein Poland won't work, the allies tie up significant chunk of German troops in the West and South preventing them to meet the Soviets in the East.
As @xizhimen already posted - Germany was already facing total defeat by Spring 1944 - already evident by Summer 1943, It the western allies would not have conducted the "successful" Normandy landings, Stalin would have "liberated" Europe right down to Spain's borders.
Ask any German WW2 veteran who the Wehrmacht lost the war to, - 80% would have told you - Russia.
This time tho, there's no one that will save Russia, not the West and certainly not your China.
Let's see how this Ukraine issue ends - so far it's the Russians since end of April making progress. And China IMO will never let Russia crash in regards to economic or financial issues.
 

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The same logic then, Soviet counter offensive only happen because the allies had landed in Sicily and Italian peninsula, hence stalin can't stand the fact that he'll lose his chance to expand. That explains the horrible Soviet losses.

The problem with ALL your arguments is that because X can do Y in Z specified time, the same could be repeated again and again.:ROFLMAO:
The German defeat - (to happen within 2 years) was due to Stalingrad (way before Sizily and the Italian peninsula) and Hitler and his other morons launching the Kursk offensive in July 1943 in the most idiotic manner - loosing all reserves and assets to withstand any Russian counteroffensive from then on.
 
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