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This is true, but as I've also previously mentioned in the air force threat, starting from '88, Turkish air force began a huge modernization effort with 4th gen jets. In 99 for Yugoslavia War, we had the only air force that was capable of night time ground strike operations with Paveways and LITENING pods outside of US. No other country had such capability, not even UK. Losing our F-35 access cannot be read outside of this doctrine. We are not getting F-35s now unless Israel agrees. In the past we would had regular F-35s compared to Israel's own modded ones, we now don't have anything until Kaan is online. It didn't have to be this way.

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in the right ismail hakkı karadayı chief of general staff during 28 şubat in the left general çevik bir who were task with negating weapons purchest
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that would be the working of general çevik bir who was always good at diplomacy. before i start telling the story i need to tell you about F-14s.

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the US and iran were only 2 countries who had F-14s this jets was F-22 of 80s

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after iranian revolutions these advanced weapons felled into the islamic groups who were enemy to US and china and russia had the chance to copy its technology


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then kardak island crisis happened under the leadership of admiral Güven Erkaya head of navy during 28 şubat we able to land on other island, US promins weapon sales in exchange both turkey and greek to leave the island

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in the left Erbakan's refah party's mayor of sincan Bekir Yıldız in the middle mohammad bagheri iranian ambassedor in ankara during sincan kudüs gecesi

it was a bad news for iranians since it would give turkey air supperirty over iran and they used their islamist pawns to stop the deal with the famous sincan kudus gecesi they chant death to america and israel and the seuclar government will ofc fall " laik devlet yıkılacak elbet " and the iranian ambassador call for sharia regime in turkey. sincan kudus gecesi was happening at night while it was night in ankara, it was morning in washington and general çevil bir was signing the deal few hours later the videos and picture of kudus gecesi reach to washinton and armenian and greek lobby in congress tried to block the weapon sales to turkey saying turkey just like iran is a falling regime and f-16s super cobra and skorskiy helicopters will fall intor hands of enemy of united state not just that but the videos was so compelling that even jewish lobby move aginst turkey and tried to kick us out of F-35 program. if turkey couldn't get these weapons then greek army who had already got the deal would had the air superiority over turkey

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it took all the diplomatic skill of general çevik bir to turn this around seal the deal and then stop the jewish lobby and kept turkey in F-35 program

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once general çevik bir return from washingon he reported to chief of general staff ismail hakkı karadayi that wind in washington is changing and in future it will be impossible to acquire weapon from Americans this led for karadayi to order for speeding up the self-sufficiency of turkish army

general attila ateş commander of 1st army in kilis ( syrian border) giving ultimatum to syria to hand over öcalan or war

after turkey received the weapons although syria and iran had defensive pact 28 subat generals start threatening syria with war if they dont hand over abdullah öcalan. later syria deported öcalan and he was captured by general engin alan's commandos in africa

 
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When one reads about the long history of various Russo-Turkish wars of esp. 18th and 19th centuries, one sees that many of the conflicts which ended up with humiliating defeats and loss of territory were instigated by the Ottomans themselves with Ulema egging on the court despite premonition by military men, with multiple cases of citing the Battle of Badr and intercession of angels, arguing that Kudretî İman will make them prevail like it did in 1453 and Kıbrıs Seferi, overruling on the ground analysis.

I say all that to point out that continuing to support Ikhvan like they did is probably more stupid than going for a losing war because of angels. But that's the outcome from that level of analysis. There's no remedy to being slapped in the face by the hand of reality because of burying your head in the sand of ideological delusions. Because that's who they are, their background, their education, their worldview is totally anachronistic.

Thats a factor but the late 18th century wars was the Ottomans trying to regain Crimea after they lost it in 1774.

93 Harbi was going to happen either way due to the Balkan countries rebelling and the Russians intervening. Russians lost the Crimean War of course they will be looking for revenge at the same time while gaining influence.

We cant forget Russian foreign policy and their wars against the Ottomans were about territory, warm water ports and the defence of South Slavs along with the defenders of Orthodox Christianity.

Soviet Union under Stalin also made lots of claims. Turkiye and the Russians will always be at odds regardless of what happens.

If Russia was successful with Ukraine they would have gone after Kazakhstan, Turkiye or the Baltics.
 

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Thats a factor but the late 18th century wars was the Ottomans trying to regain Crimea after they lost it in 1774.

93 Harbi was going to happen either way due to the Balkan countries rebelling and the Russians intervening. Russians lost the Crimean War of course they will be looking for revenge at the same time while gaining influence.

We cant forget Russian foreign policy and their wars against the Ottomans were about territory, warm water ports and the defence of South Slavs along with the defenders of Orthodox Christianity.

Soviet Union under Stalin also made lots of claims. Turkiye and the Russians will always be at odds regardless of what happens.

If Russia was successful with Ukraine they would have gone after Kazakhstan, Turkiye or the Baltics.
That's true. I was just reading some source material and people are pleading with the representative of Ulema about trying to delay due to preparations and the counter-arguments are purely religious and they win over. But yeah all successor states inherit the geopolitical outlook of predecessor states regardless of ideology, hence Russian geopolitical interests are generally on the same lines as the Soviets insofar as the Russian mainland is concerned, and this is also true for Turkish Republic's black sea and eastern geopolitical outlook as a continuation of Ottoman policy.
 

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Let's see what the second Trump term will be like..

President Erdogan:

•We expect my dear friend Trump to abandon the wrong policies of the previous administration in his second term as president.

•We had a friendly meeting with Mr. Trump. They were having a family dinner at the time. Elon Musk and Musk's child were with him and that's how we met. We discussed the election process and the cooperation between Turkey and the US. He also made nice statements about Turkiye regarding the upcoming process.

•We invited him to our country. I hope he accepts our invitation and thus we strengthen the cooperation between Turkiye and the USA in a different way than in the past.

 

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Albania is a weak country and Iam not denyin it. Sadly, as per the rules of the jungle, we have to bow to the strong

However, Albania isnt a part of the Turkic alliance but nations like kazakhstan and uzbekistan not stand side by side wih Turkey and recognise TRNC? Wasnt one of the alliance goals to protect the interest of the Turkic people? Yet they sell the TRNC to avoid antagonising US, France, and Russia?

When Russia entered its war, China and Iran aided it
When US concotted the Ukrainian war, all of the West aided it
When the Arabs initiated a lockdown against Qatar, most of the monarchies aided it
When Azerbaijan fought its war to reclaim its rights, Turkey aided it
When Turkey stands up for TRNC? Who will aid it I wonder?
The 11th summit of the Organization of Turkic States was held in Bishkek (Kyrgyzstan) on November 6. In addition to the heads of state of Turkey, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, the leaders of Hungary and Turkmenistan participated as observers, and for the first time officially the President of the TRNC Ersin Tatar.

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Let's see what the second Trump term will be like..

President Erdogan:

•We expect my dear friend Trump to abandon the wrong policies of the previous administration in his second term as president.

•We had a friendly meeting with Mr. Trump. They were having a family dinner at the time. Elon Musk and Musk's child were with him and that's how we met. We discussed the election process and the cooperation between Turkey and the US. He also made nice statements about Turkiye regarding the upcoming process.

•We invited him to our country. I hope he accepts our invitation and thus we strengthen the cooperation between Turkiye and the USA in a different way than in the past.

Dear Mr President
Your precious friend Trump, trumped over the country's economy with a single tweet for the poor handling of that priest twat. The Turkish Lira never recovered after that.
We won't forget.
I understand that sucking up to the newly elected PotUS is an essential part of the foreign policy of many countries but you need to drop the "dostum" part because I doubt that the feeling is mutual.
Regards
 

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Уважаемый господин Президент!
Ваш драгоценный друг Трамп, переплюнул экономику страны одним твитом за плохое обращение с этим священником-придурком. Турецкая лира так и не восстановилась после этого.
Мы не забудем.
I understand that sucking up to the newly elected PotUS is an essential part of the foreign policy of many countries but you need to drop the "dostum" part because I doubt that the feeling is mutual.
Regards
In 5 minutes you can make up such a vicious statement, in which you can declare both Trump and the United States in general as Turkey's enemy. (Does Turkey need enmity with a superpower that is an official ally?)
Even 5 years won't be enough to create a friendly relationship.
Incidentally, it was Trump who called Erdogan a friend for the first time. Erdogan only responded. So, it is not yet known who is sucking up to whom :)
 
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