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A Russian invasion of Greece would have been far better for Turkey instead of Ukraine.
Recently, Russia was about to kill the Greek Prime Minister at a medal ceremony he attended in Odessa. However, Mitsotakis and Zelenski narrowly escaped being killed when they left 10-15 minutes before the ceremony was bombed. The murder of the prime minister of a NATO member country by the Russians in Ukraine could lead to the start of World War III. If I were you, I would think carefully about where this could lead.

 

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Greeks can afford to piss off Russia because any invasion will end up going through Turkiye first anyway. :)

Reminds me of the Polish joke about asking a genie to make Mongolians invade Poland because it means they end up going through Russia twice.
The entire Russian border, from Norway in the north to the Black Sea in the south, is closed. Russians carry out 40% of all trade through the Black Sea and Turkey. Russia does not have the luxury of entering into conflict with Turkey. I will even say more, they cannot afford to conflict even with us. For the sake of maintaining good relations with Azerbaijan and Turkey, they have long come to terms with the loss of Armenia as an ally.
They are firmly stuck in Ukraine. In the event of incredible success there, their position, in my opinion, could worsen even further (Russia’s victory is unacceptable for the West).
The current geopolitics of Russia can be expressed in one word - Catastrophe.
 

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Recently, Russia was about to kill the Greek Prime Minister at a medal ceremony he attended in Odessa. However, Mitsotakis and Zelenski narrowly escaped being killed when they left 10-15 minutes before the ceremony was bombed. The murder of the prime minister of a NATO member country by the Russians in Ukraine could lead to the start of World War III. If I were you, I would think carefully about where this could lead.

I dont think so , NATO article 5 say that countries that are part of NATO and if they are attacked in their land unprovocked can be defended by whole NATO , not PM in another country that is in war 🤦‍♂️
 

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I dont think so , NATO article 5 say that countries that are part of NATO and if they are attacked in their land unprovocked can be defended by whole NATO , not PM in another country that is in war 🤦‍♂️
There is a difference between the interpretation of these agreements by the strong countries and the interpretation of the weak countries. For countries that are left alone within NATO, such as Turkey, these agreements are interpreted by emptying the articles and making excuses. In other words, the law of the strong is superior to the law of the weak. That's why the USA, the British and the French can easily interpret that agreement as they wish. This article does not reduce the tension that increases in such a situation. The killing of a Greek Prime Minister in Ukraine is tantamount to trampling on NATO's pride. This is no different from the sinking of the Russian cruiser Moskva. If you trample NATO's pride, they will feel obliged to fight back.

This is actually all about belonging. NATO's borders are blurry for Ukraine. I don't think they would be in favor of going to war right away. However, they will not refrain from taking steps that increase the possibility of war.
 

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Russia supported Greek independance by the way. Russia will never go against its own proxy.

Greece and Russia are really close and will always be.

Dont forget how the Russians wanted to take Istanbul and install the Greeks as their puppet leaders.

During ww1 as Trabzon got occupied the Pontic Greeks welcomed the Russians as liberators.

Russians know deep down the Greeks will never push the trigger to shoot them.
 

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There is a difference between the interpretation of these agreements by the strong countries and the interpretation of the weak countries. For countries that are left alone within NATO, such as Turkey, these agreements are interpreted by emptying the articles and making excuses. In other words, the law of the strong is superior to the law of the weak. That's why the USA, the British and the French can easily interpret that agreement as they wish. This article does not reduce the tension that increases in such a situation. The killing of a Greek Prime Minister in Ukraine is tantamount to trampling on NATO's pride. This is no different from the sinking of the Russian cruiser Moskva. If you trample NATO's pride, they will feel obliged to fight back.

This is actually all about belonging. NATO's borders are blurry for Ukraine. I don't think they would be in favor of going to war right away. However, they will not refrain from taking steps that increase the possibility of war.

Turkiye shot down a Russian jet we seen how Nato solidarity went.

Nato is a paper tiger. Deep down they all know they wont go to war for a member state in particular the ones from the East like Turkiye, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and the Baltic.

Article 5 will only be unleashed unless the West gets attacked.

Which is the USA and Western Europe.
 

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Full details of the Turkey-US Strategic Mechanism Joint Statement:

Turkey-US Counter-Terrorism Consultations resumed

-Secretary Blinken reiterated the United States' condemnation of the PKK, DHKP-C, and DAESH terrorist organizations that target Turkey and Turkish interests. Turkey and the United States reaffirmed their shared commitment to the lasting defeat of DAESH in Syria and Iraq

-Minister Fidan and Secretary Blinken discussed all aspects of the Syrian crisis

EASTERN MEDITERRANEAN
-Minister Fidan and Secretary Blinken discussed the situation in the Eastern Mediterranean and emphasized the importance of maintaining stability and communication channels.

DEFENSE
-Secretary Fidan and Secretary Blinken reiterated the importance of a restored two-way defense trade relationship to enhance the strength of collective security.

-The two Ministers announced that a Turkey-US Defense Trade Dialogue meeting will be held in 2024 and that the two countries will assess opportunities to advance defense industry cooperation.

TRADE
-Minister Fidan and Secretary Blinken welcomed the continued growth in Turkey-US bilateral trade, which now stands at over $30 billion. They reaffirmed the importance of building on existing bilateral forums, such as the Digital Dialogue held in Turkey on March 4, to expand and deepen economic cooperation.

CAUCASUS
-On the South Caucasus, Secretary Fidan and Secretary Blinken pledged to work together to promote a balanced and lasting peace agreement between Azerbaijan and Armenia and agreed that such an agreement would promote regional stability, cooperation and prosperity.

GAZA
-Secretary Fidan and Secretary Blinken discussed the ongoing crisis in Gaza and assessed their diplomatic activities. They emphasized the importance of finding a way to end the conflict and immediately address the humanitarian crisis, and reaffirmed their commitment to a lasting two-state solution.

UKRAINE-RUSSIA
-Secretary Fidan and Secretary Blinken reiterated Turkey's and the United States' support for Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity in the face of Russia's unacceptable war.

BLACK SEA
-The United States welcomes Turkey's efforts in the Black Sea, including the recently announced Mine Countermeasures Task Group and the facilitation of safe routes vital to grain shipments and other international trade.

 

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Full details of the Turkey-US Strategic Mechanism Joint Statement:

Turkey-US Counter-Terrorism Consultations resumed

-Secretary Blinken reiterated the United States' condemnation of the PKK, DHKP-C, and DAESH terrorist organizations that target Turkey and Turkish interests. Turkey and the United States reaffirmed their shared commitment to the lasting defeat of DAESH in Syria and Iraq

-Minister Fidan and Secretary Blinken discussed all aspects of the Syrian crisis

EASTERN MEDITERRANEAN
-Minister Fidan and Secretary Blinken discussed the situation in the Eastern Mediterranean and emphasized the importance of maintaining stability and communication channels.

DEFENSE
-Secretary Fidan and Secretary Blinken reiterated the importance of a restored two-way defense trade relationship to enhance the strength of collective security.

-The two Ministers announced that a Turkey-US Defense Trade Dialogue meeting will be held in 2024 and that the two countries will assess opportunities to advance defense industry cooperation.

TRADE
-Minister Fidan and Secretary Blinken welcomed the continued growth in Turkey-US bilateral trade, which now stands at over $30 billion. They reaffirmed the importance of building on existing bilateral forums, such as the Digital Dialogue held in Turkey on March 4, to expand and deepen economic cooperation.

CAUCASUS
-On the South Caucasus, Secretary Fidan and Secretary Blinken pledged to work together to promote a balanced and lasting peace agreement between Azerbaijan and Armenia and agreed that such an agreement would promote regional stability, cooperation and prosperity.

GAZA
-Secretary Fidan and Secretary Blinken discussed the ongoing crisis in Gaza and assessed their diplomatic activities. They emphasized the importance of finding a way to end the conflict and immediately address the humanitarian crisis, and reaffirmed their commitment to a lasting two-state solution.

UKRAINE-RUSSIA
-Secretary Fidan and Secretary Blinken reiterated Turkey's and the United States' support for Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity in the face of Russia's unacceptable war.

BLACK SEA
-The United States welcomes Turkey's efforts in the Black Sea, including the recently announced Mine Countermeasures Task Group and the facilitation of safe routes vital to grain shipments and other international trade.


No mention of YPG e.t.c, so I assume nothing changed
 

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Throwback!

Unfortunately this was not the first time neither country understood the other.

Erdogan's main agenda was to prevent the KRG from forming/a Kurdish political entity, not a Shi'ite Baghdad. The USA wanted to protect the gulf states and Israel and ensure they stayed within the western axis, not fight Iran

Neither took the other seriously, both made mistakes
 
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