TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

[Yasar_TR]

The most logical thing to do is to develop two fighter aircraft with one domestic engine solution. Hurjet will fly with a foreign engine and serial production of trainer variant will commence by 2025/2026. Develop a Hürjet Fighter variant with a length around 15-16m and modify the fuselage and wing to make it more agile. By this way, instead of looking for a different national engine solution that will cost additional R&D money, we could integrate national 30000lb turbofan that is developed for Tf-X.

That 15-16 m plane sounds like an indigenous 4++ gen f16 V80? (F16 length is 15.06m and the wingspan is 9.96m.)
But this is the logical way forward. One engine 2 planes.
Only reservation I would have is the fact that we need light attack planes with Aesa radar soon. Hurjet with a 20000+lbf engine would have given us that, before 2025-26.

 

[Bilal Khan(Quwa)]

I agree, it must always be inside out modular approach as far as possible to make use of economy of scale and time most diligently....rather than have too many eggs in various baskets.

India learned hard way in end w.r.t Tejas, which should have really been MWF (mk 2 size) from get go....even going on foreign engine choice options as there would be more flexibility when sanctions hit us from US in 90s.

Simple use 1 for this class and use 2 for larger class with eye always on final goal and objectives for the ecosystem resources and time.

In fact even earlier than that was Marut episode, again largely engine related in end....again should have started with engine option first secured and design outwards.

It wouldn't surprise me if this is ultimately Turkey's plan, i.e., use the TR Motor engine to design a single-engine fighter. This could potentially tie into their carrier ops aspirations too (though it'd depend on the Turkish Navy's requirements).

 

[Zafer]

The most logical thing to do is to develop two fighter aircraft with one domestic engine solution. Hurjet will fly with a foreign engine and serial production of trainer variant will commence by 2025/2026. Develop a Hürjet Fighter variant with a length around 15-16m and modify the fuselage and wing to make it more agile. By this way, instead of looking for a different national engine solution that will cost additional R&D money, we could integrate national 30000lb turbofan that is developed for Tf-X.

That means going cheap on RnD.
There is also the export market where lesser planes can bring a return. Countries who can not afford a full grown plane can afford a trainer turned fighter. I would adopt that one engine two planes approach a few years ago when the Hürjet was not in its advanced level of progression. However once the Hürjet is ready for production that three planes approach gained weight. An engine that will be made based on the experiences gained in the making of the TFX engine will be an easy job and can happen earlier than the TFX engine. This Hürjet with a custom Turkish engine can be offered like a LHD capable little fighter plane while larger planes can not operate from an LHD. It can be part of our plan to make a carrier out of an LHD to offer it to the export market as a combination. a UAVs + Hürjet and LHD bundle. That same engine can power our UAVs too.

 

[Fairon]

The most logical thing to do is to develop two fighter aircraft with one domestic engine solution. Hurjet will fly with a foreign engine and serial production of trainer variant will commence by 2025/2026. Develop a Hürjet Fighter variant with a length around 15-16m and modify the fuselage and wing to make it more agile. By this way, instead of looking for a different national engine solution that will cost additional R&D money, we could integrate national 30000lb turbofan that is developed for Tf-X.

That 15-16 m plane sounds like an indigenous 4++ gen f16 V80? (F16 length is 15.06m and the wingspan is 9.96m.)
But this is the logical way forward. One engine 2 planes.
Only reservation I would have is the fact that we need light attack planes with Aesa radar soon. Hurjet with a 20000+lbf engine would have given us that, before 2025-26.

I think Hurjet can be used as F5 until we develop the improved version.

Americans did this with F16/F15 combination and it worked well for them. We need a workhorse for the Air Force and i think MMU will be too costly for that and Hürjet most likely be insufficient for the role. Also this way we'll have more use for the national engine and for logistic wise it will be more efficient.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Negotiations for the involvement of ASELSAN avionics in the HÜRJET aircraft developed by TAI continued. In this context, orders were received for Internal Communication, ASELSAN Navigation, Airborne Radio and IFF Systems, which are ready-to-shelf products.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Radio Navigation Equipment (RNE) and its subsystems (TACAN / DME / VOR / ILS / ADF), which are currently supplied from abroad for the use of air platforms, are being developed with ASELSAN's own resources and with the subcontractor ESEN, and the Critical Design phase of the project has been completed.

 

[Yasar_TR]

“Birtakım Modifikasyonlarla HÜRJET’e Dikey İniş Özelliği Kazandırılabiliyor”

Anadolu Çok Maksatlı Amfibi Hücum Gemisi’nde konuşlandırılabilecek hava platformlarına ilişkin çalışmalar sürerken, Savunma Sanayii Başkanı Prof. Dr. İsmail Demir, katıldığı bir televizyon programında, HÜRJET’e dikey iniş […]

www.savunmasanayi.org

Now this is interesting. What do they mean about “vertical landing capability can be given to Hurjet with some modifications”?
Then they are talking about arresting gear and arresting hook.
Can this be to have an aggressive aerodynamic braking set up on the plane to approximate a vertical landing move as it is getting ready to land Just before the arresting hook catches the plane?
Otherwise, it would have been STOVL/VTOL systems they are talking about. And they are not mentioning that.

 

[Zafer]

“Birtakım Modifikasyonlarla HÜRJET’e Dikey İniş Özelliği Kazandırılabiliyor”

Anadolu Çok Maksatlı Amfibi Hücum Gemisi’nde konuşlandırılabilecek hava platformlarına ilişkin çalışmalar sürerken, Savunma Sanayii Başkanı Prof. Dr. İsmail Demir, katıldığı bir televizyon programında, HÜRJET’e dikey iniş […]

www.savunmasanayi.org

Now this is interesting. What do they mean about “vertical landing capability can be given to Hurjet with some modifications”?
Then they are talking about arresting gear and arresting hook.
Can this be to have an aggressive aerodynamic braking set up on the plane to approximate a vertical landing move as it is getting ready to land Just before the arresting hook catches the plane?
Otherwise, it would have been VSTOL/VTOL systems they are talking about. And they are not mentioning that.
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Talking about hooks mean it is classical runway landing as the hooks are used to stop the planes horizontal movement. If they want a real vertical landing plane somewhat smaller than the Hürjet they can take my suggestion to use the TS1400 together with a small turbofan like the TF6000 to make a three point thrust vertical lander.

 

[Anmdt]

“Birtakım Modifikasyonlarla HÜRJET’e Dikey İniş Özelliği Kazandırılabiliyor”

Anadolu Çok Maksatlı Amfibi Hücum Gemisi’nde konuşlandırılabilecek hava platformlarına ilişkin çalışmalar sürerken, Savunma Sanayii Başkanı Prof. Dr. İsmail Demir, katıldığı bir televizyon programında, HÜRJET’e dikey iniş […]

www.savunmasanayi.org

Now this is interesting. What do they mean about “vertical landing capability can be given to Hurjet with some modifications”?
Then they are talking about arresting gear and arresting hook.
Can this be to have an aggressive aerodynamic braking set up on the plane to approximate a vertical landing move as it is getting ready to land Just before the arresting hook catches the plane?
Otherwise, it would have been VSTOL/VTOL systems they are talking about. And they are not mentioning that.
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3 possibilities in there:
1st: Interviewer has lost track, doesn't have sufficient knowledge and couldn't differ between STOBAR, STOVL. When it was being scripted there has been a confusion as well (such as two different replies merged into one)
2nd: Guest has misspelled Arresting gear landing as VL, also note they have mixed up arresting gear and arresting hook terms, it should have been vice versa.
3nd: There are two variants for naval platforms, one with STOVL other with STOBAR capabilities. STOVL was discussed earlier after Mr.Demir has told something regarding to this and we have concluded the VL was a misunderstanding and was out of context, might be back on the table but still lesslikely because it is referred as "some modifications" while VL will require "major modifications".

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Kotil stated that they formed a partnership to develop and produce landing gear that will carry a load of 60 tons with the force emerging during the landing. We have a partnership with Altınay, TUSAŞ and an Italian company. The Italian company also makes the landing gear for Hürjet together with Altınay. Turkey is here to make landing gear. The team got the talent."

 

[Nutuk]

Wasn't Hürjet assembly supposed to start in June? We are at half of June, no sign of it yet.

 

[Spook]

Wasn't Hürjet assembly supposed to start in June? We are at half of June, no sign of it yet.

Maybe we will get an ground prototype reveal (one of the prototypes) at IDEF? It would make sense considering its one of the best places to do an reveal in this year.

 

[Huelague]

I can’t believe that COVID doesn’t hit out defense industry.

 

[TheInsider]

I don't know when it will start but it is supposed to end by the end of this year. We should be seeing some good photos in December. A roll-out ceremony will be done in early 2022. After that ground test will continue and the first flight will be done by the end of 2022. The first flight of the second prototype will be done in february/march 2023.

Wasn't Hürjet assembly supposed to start in June? We are at half of June, no sign of it yet.

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1405776084134596611

Hurjet and her wings and other parts, but who is the guy in left-bottom with a strange shape?

Moreover, its wings seem to swept-forward but also not, test-rig connection is on the right end.

 

[Anmdt]

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This will be a super boost, along with Tubitak's supersonic wind tunnel, Historical ART, and ODTU's Ruzgem.

 

[Saithan]

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Hurjet and her wings and other parts, but who is the guy in left-bottom with a strange shape?

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TFX-Wingman type support UCAV ?

 

[Era_shield]

Hurjet and her wings and other parts, but who is the guy in left-bottom with a strange shape?

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Moreover, its wings are swept-forward, its rig connection is on the right side.

Horizontal tail assembly. Based on all the parts there, they will be testing some parts in isolation.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Hurjet and her wings and other parts, but who is the guy in left-bottom with a strange shape?

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Moreover, its wings are swept-forward, its rig connection is on the right side.

These are computer generated pictures and videos. So I wouldn’t read in to them too much. I hope they have put real life images of some of the projects they are undertaking. But, pardon me if I appear to be a pessimist.
I hope you guys are correct in treating them as real life projects. Then they are quite the stuff to get excited about.

 

[Test7]