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Any thoughts/comments are appreciated @Paro @crixus @Gessler et al.


Around 9.30 mark, is the issue I spoke about earlier @rodeo
i.e we were pushed up against wall much more for missiles, thats why theres genuine results there now to enjoy.

Other defence tech, its casual circular import lobby prevalent to various degrees...that is slowly changing only now
The interview at large gives a good idea on how so for artillery in this case.
 

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Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will start working on producing six airframes to conduct evaluation trials of the TAPAS BH-201 drone, which will be used for missions by the armed forces. The airframe is the basic structure of the drone or unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) and includes its wings, tail and main body.

TAPAS BH-201 or Tactical Advanced Platform for Aerial Surveillance Beyond Horizon-201 is a Medium Altitude Long Endurance (MALE) drone. It will be India’s first MALE UAV which will be used in day and night aerial surveillance missions by the Indian Army, Air Force and Navy, officials said. The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) under the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is said to have almost completed the final design of the UAV, which will be handed over to HAL.

Confirming the development to The Indian Express, chairman and managing director of HAL, R Madhavan said, “We are now going to make some more airframes for TAPAS. Six airframes will be made for the user evaluation trials. This is a joint project by HAL and DRDO. TAPAS has to reach 30,000 feet which it has almost reached and has proven the endurance (hours spent in the sky) of more than 16 hours. Once the airframes are put to user trials, the production will start.” In March this year, DRDO chairman G Satheesh Reddy said TAPAS had reached a flying altitude of 28,000 feet.

“Once the airframes are ready, all these will be fitted on the UAV. TAPAS will have an operating altitude of 30,000 feet. It has a range of 250 km and is capable of day and night missions. It can carry payloads up to 350 kg. It is designed to perform intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance missions for the Indian Armed Forces. Its mission requirements are to provide continuous wide area coverage and be able to identify small targets. TAPAS BH-201 is India’s first MALE UAV,” sources in the DRDO said.

Last year, the DRDO’s lab developed the ‘Tricycle Nose Wheel Type Retractable Landing Gear System’ for the UAV. “It is designed for high touchdown speeds and sink velocity during landing,” officials said.

Sources in the HAL said 76 TAPAS drones will be inducted into the armed forces – Army (60), Air Force (12) and Navy (4). The project, conceptualised in 2016, is slated to get over in 2023.
 

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Tata ALS-50 suicide drone

4 electric rotors & one piston engine (37hp) driven prop in the fuselage. Range 1000km, top speed 190km/hr & endurance 6 hrs. Payload 23kg

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That's some weird design for a drone with a crazy range. But 1000km needs Satcom so its range is kind of flaky.
A few different tweets and articles mentioned the same range so it's unlikely to be a typo



IAI's Harpy drone has a range of 700km+ while Iran's Shahed-136 has an effective range of 1000km to deliver a 50kg warhead but it's max loitering range is in excess of 2000kms. Their weight and designs look quite similar to Tata's ALS-50...I'm not surprised if 1000km range is true which is definitely a possibility. The added benefit for ALS-50 is it has VTOL
 

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Tri-service procurement of world’s most advanced drones leveraged for transfer of niche technologies to DRDO, Chief of Naval Staff Admiral R Hari Kumar tells Vishal Thapar in an exclusive interview

20 December, 2022
by Vishal Thapar

India has negotiated for local assembly of the world’s most advanced High Altitude Long Endurance (HALE) combat and reconnaissance drone, the American MQ9B Sea/Sky Guardian Remotely Piloted Aircraft (RPA). These are more capable follow-ons of the iconic Predator.

“Through assertive negotiations, instant acquisition proposal has been leveraged for assembly of at least 60 % of the quantity of aircraft proposed for procurement in India,” Chief of Naval Staff Admiral R Hari Kumar told Businessworld in an exclusive interview.

A Tri-services case for the procurement of 30 MQ9B from the US under the Government-to-Government Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route is under process.

Initially estimated at $3 Billion, the deal will also involve “collaboration with DRDO for transfer of certain niche technology required for indigenous D&D of HALE RPAS in India,” Admiral Hari Kumar disclosed to Businessworld.

“Setting up of a Performance Based Depot Level Maintenance Repair and Overhaul (MRO), Sea Guardian Global Sustainment Support (SGSS)” would be part of the programme, the Chief of the Indian Navy stated.

“These enabling agreements along with the procurement case would make India a Drone Hub as envisioned by Hon’ble PM,” Admiral Hari Kumar added.

Earlier, he had said that a discussion was underway amongst the three services on “whether the (procurement) numbers need to be rationalized”.

When it matures, the MQ9B deal will be one of the defining symbols of India-US military cooperation. It will also mark the first assembly of the iconic combat and surveillance drone outside of the US.

“The MQ-9B is designed to fly over the horizon via SATCOM for up to 40 hours in all types of weather and safely integrate into civil airspace, enabling joint forces and civil authorities to deliver real-time situational awareness anywhere in the world—day or night,” it is stated by General Atomics, the manufacturer, which terms these as “the next generation of RPAS, delivering persistent intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) around the globe”. It can fly at altitudes of up to 50,000 feet.

While ISR is its bread and butter, it is the combat capability, over-the-horizon targeting, anti-surface warfare, anti-submarine warfare, defensive counter-air, airborne early warning and electronic warfare features which give it the edge.

The MQ9B features nine hardpoints with a maximum external payload capacity of 2155 kg. “This enables armed forces and governments to easily integrate sovereign payloads and mission systems for their own uniquely tailored solutions,” General Atomics states.

Admiral Hari Kumar recently acknowledged that the Indian Navy found the experience of taking two MQ9As on lease from the US of “great value”, expressing confidence that these RPAs would “provide great value to all three services”.

Recently, these leased drones completed 10,000 flight hours in support of Indian security missions. This was achieved in two years.

“To put this into perspective, 11 P8I Long Range Maritime Reconnaissance aircraft of the Indian Navy were able to fly 29,000 flight hours in 9 years while 2 MQ9A logged 10,000 flight hours in just 2 years. This is the true measure of a long endurance UAV: Persistent surveillance. Imagine what a fleet of about 10 MQ9Bs could do in exercising constant vigilance,” an observer pointed out. The original proposal envisaged an equal three-way split of the 30 HALE RPAs to be procured amongst the services.
 

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Tri-service procurement of world’s most advanced drones leveraged for transfer of niche technologies to DRDO, Chief of Naval Staff Admiral R Hari Kumar tells Vishal Thapar in an exclusive interview

20 December, 2022
by Vishal Thapar

India has negotiated for local assembly of the world’s most advanced High Altitude Long Endurance (HALE) combat and reconnaissance drone, the American MQ9B Sea/Sky Guardian Remotely Piloted Aircraft (RPA). These are more capable follow-ons of the iconic Predator.

“Through assertive negotiations, instant acquisition proposal has been leveraged for assembly of at least 60 % of the quantity of aircraft proposed for procurement in India,” Chief of Naval Staff Admiral R Hari Kumar told Businessworld in an exclusive interview.

A Tri-services case for the procurement of 30 MQ9B from the US under the Government-to-Government Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route is under process.

Initially estimated at $3 Billion, the deal will also involve “collaboration with DRDO for transfer of certain niche technology required for indigenous D&D of HALE RPAS in India,” Admiral Hari Kumar disclosed to Businessworld.

“Setting up of a Performance Based Depot Level Maintenance Repair and Overhaul (MRO), Sea Guardian Global Sustainment Support (SGSS)” would be part of the programme, the Chief of the Indian Navy stated.

“These enabling agreements along with the procurement case would make India a Drone Hub as envisioned by Hon’ble PM,” Admiral Hari Kumar added.

Earlier, he had said that a discussion was underway amongst the three services on “whether the (procurement) numbers need to be rationalized”.

When it matures, the MQ9B deal will be one of the defining symbols of India-US military cooperation. It will also mark the first assembly of the iconic combat and surveillance drone outside of the US.

“The MQ-9B is designed to fly over the horizon via SATCOM for up to 40 hours in all types of weather and safely integrate into civil airspace, enabling joint forces and civil authorities to deliver real-time situational awareness anywhere in the world—day or night,” it is stated by General Atomics, the manufacturer, which terms these as “the next generation of RPAS, delivering persistent intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) around the globe”. It can fly at altitudes of up to 50,000 feet.

While ISR is its bread and butter, it is the combat capability, over-the-horizon targeting, anti-surface warfare, anti-submarine warfare, defensive counter-air, airborne early warning and electronic warfare features which give it the edge.

The MQ9B features nine hardpoints with a maximum external payload capacity of 2155 kg. “This enables armed forces and governments to easily integrate sovereign payloads and mission systems for their own uniquely tailored solutions,” General Atomics states.

Admiral Hari Kumar recently acknowledged that the Indian Navy found the experience of taking two MQ9As on lease from the US of “great value”, expressing confidence that these RPAs would “provide great value to all three services”.

Recently, these leased drones completed 10,000 flight hours in support of Indian security missions. This was achieved in two years.

“To put this into perspective, 11 P8I Long Range Maritime Reconnaissance aircraft of the Indian Navy were able to fly 29,000 flight hours in 9 years while 2 MQ9A logged 10,000 flight hours in just 2 years. This is the true measure of a long endurance UAV: Persistent surveillance. Imagine what a fleet of about 10 MQ9Bs could do in exercising constant vigilance,” an observer pointed out. The original proposal envisaged an equal three-way split of the 30 HALE RPAs to be procured amongst the services.
This will enhance your indigenous capabilities,good deal.
 

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Very stupid decision for an very low number… 3B for 30 is already expensive. This will increase the price. India has no EO system manufacturers. Maybe SAR radar, but it’s integration cost money. US is not giving access to its platform to integrate foreign systems. No Indian munitions. Body construction is not high technical science.
Not sure who is making the decisions
 

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Very stupid decision for an very low number… 3B for 30 is already expensive. This will increase the price. India has no EO system manufacturers. Maybe SAR radar, but it’s integration cost money. US is not giving access to its platform to integrate foreign systems. No Indian munitions. Body construction is not high technical science.
Not sure who is making the decisions

The assembly will be nominal. India wants the high quality surveillance capability ASAP. Something has impressed the Navy especially with the ability of these drones to force multiply the P-8's power.

Much of the details will only come to light later.
 

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No words to describe the American greed. $150millions for a predator drone? That's preposterous. I thought Greeks buying 3 SeaGuardian for $400 millions was foolish but India's UAV deal tops that. A healthy decision on Indians' part. That money can feed many indigenous products which will contribute to the country's independence.
I think that for land based operations the predator proabably isn't worth the cost. The Aermericans might have very advanced sensors and radars and EW capabilities but you can get 3 or more cheaper drones with comparable endurance and payload for the price of 1 predator drone.

However for naval operations its ASW capabilities are probably worth it. The SeaGuardian is the only drone that I know of that is capable of anti-submarine warfare. It can drop sonobuoys and LWTs and even prosecute submarines on its own. Buying and operating SeaGuardians are cheaper than buying and operating more P-8s. And the interoperability of the SeaGuardian with the P-8s means that the SeaGuardians are great force multipliers for countries that already operate P-8s.

You can probably develop a drone with similar endurance and payload as the SeaGuardian for a fraction of the cost but its ASW sensors won't be as good as what the Americans can do and its interoperability with P-8s would be worse.
 

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