Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Var Dracon]

What are these? Looks like lighter, smaller KCR

so an elongated iver / arrowhead 140 huh ?

Side view

 

[NEKO]

What are these? Looks like lighter, smaller KCR
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Side view
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Just their engineer having fun with 3d modeling software.

If the priority is stealth / reduced RCS why the missile canister is so exposed? Its like it try to flex "look I have 4 missile".

 

[Parry Brima]

Excerpt.

"Pertemuan ini juga sebagai tindak lanjut dari pemesanan kapal selam kelas Riachuelo yang dibuat oleh perusahaan galangan kapal asal Perancis Naval Group. Kapal selam kelas Riachuelo ini merupakan modifikasi dari kelas Scorpene."

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"This meeting is also a follow-up to the order for the Riachuelo class submarines made by the French shipbuilding company Naval Group. The Riachuelo class submarine is a modification of the Scorpene class."

Full article:

Kapal Selam Riachuelo Segera Merapat ke Indonesia? - Indonesiadefense.com | Informasi Berita Terkini dan Terbaru Hari Ini Hankam Dan TNI %

Jakarta, IDM - Menteri Pertahanan RI (Menhan) Prabowo Subianto menerima kunjungan kehormatan Duta Besar (Dubes) Prancis untuk Indonesia, H.E. Mr. Olivier

indonesiadefense.com

Video of the meeting:

Indonesia Defense Magazine on Instagram: "Menteri Pertahanan RI (Menhan) Prabowo Subianto menerima kunjungan kehormatan Duta Besar (Dubes) Prancis untuk Indonesia, H.E. Mr. Olivier Chambard dan tim Naval Group Prancis di Kementerian Pertahanan, Jakar

430 likes, 17 comments - idefensemagz on December 10, 2021: "Menteri Pertahanan RI (Menhan) Prabowo Subianto menerima kunjungan kehormatan Duta Besar (Dubes) Prancis untuk Indonesia, H.E. Mr. Olivier Chambard dan tim Naval Group Prancis di Kementerian Pertahanan, Jakarta, Jumat (10/12)...

www.instagram.com

There seems to be a flooding in Brazilian Navy’s newest submarine Riachuelo’s bow compartment due to valve problem back in March.

Not sure about the update of the investigation.

Brazil's newest submarine Riachuelo flooded with saltwater - Naval Post- Naval News and Information

On March 11, 2021, The Brazilian Navy's newest submarine Riachuelo's bow compartment, flooded with saltwater because of a valve problem.

navalpost.com

 

[Initial_D]

I kind of like this PT.PAL improvement/mod of arrowhead 140,

 

[Lordimperator]

I kind of like this PT.PAL improvement/mod of arrowhead 140, View attachment 37216

Tge elongated iver looks like type 26

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Tge elongated iver looks like type 26

Let's hope they install S1850M on that particular design

 

[R4duga]

Let's hope they install S1850M on that particular design

if i remember correctly the old variant of SMART-L and it's derivative S1850M is using PESA technology, later that they had a program called as SMART-L EWC and the fruition come as the SMART-L MM which use AESA technology. (correct me if im wrong).

the only AESA radar on type 45 are the SAMPSON.

 

[Van Kravchenko]

SMART-L MM which use AESA technology.

SMART-L Multi Mission

SMART-L is a 3D multibeam radar designed to provide long-range air and surface surveillance and target designation. The SMART-L MM is a fully digitally controlled Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar. The applied high-end techniques result in a radar with an unrivalled long range...

www.thalesgroup.com

For Dedicated AAW frigate, IMO, Long Surveilance radar is a must. at least give more han for scanning the sky

 

[Lordimperator]

Which vls would be fitted for our Iver config?

 

[Anmdt]

The more I can't trust them.
Upper image is Type 31, down one is type 45. They just use 3D rendering available online.

One of those are possibly based on Iver, from the times where they brainstormed with OMT, they tried to fit another 32 Cell at front (either CAMM or MICA behind the gun) .

The other one is from the brainstorming with Babcock, with 4x6 CAMM-ER / MICA (or maybe magically 3x8 VLS but the earlier one fits better) in front elevated deck, 32 VLS and 8/16 AShM; sums to 72. Actually Babcock's offer delivered to them re-used by them.

The distinguishable difference is the top deck; Iver has a lowered top deck to conceal deck equipments and protruding VLS/AShM canisters behind the board plating. They have reworked this on AH140 to elavate deck higher and cancel the boards (since they are not planning Mk56), making up the RCS of AShM Canisters via reduction in elsewhere, increasing inner volume for Rhib/USV operations.

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1470411460383674369

Wait, Brahmos for AShM from VLS?

 

[Mandala]

Indonesia – Denmark Opportunity to Conduct Warship Development and Production

December 13, 2021 | 15:27 WIB

Jakarta, IDM – Minister of Defense of the Republic of Indonesia Prabowo Subianto received an honorary visit from the Ambassador of the Kingdom of Denmark to Indonesia H.E. Lars Bo Larsen, Monday (13/12) at the Ministry of Defense office, Jakarta.

During the meeting, Defense Minister Prabowo hoped that the cooperation between Indonesia and Denmark would increase. Prabowo said it was important to increase cooperation between the two countries, especially in the economic field and the defense industry, which were mutually beneficial.

For this reason, it is hoped that in the future the two countries through their respective Ministry of Defense can sit down together to discuss and discuss the defense cooperation agreement document as a legal umbrella for efforts to increase cooperation in various fields, especially the defense industry. Regarding defense industry cooperation, the two countries have opportunities for joint development and production in the manufacture of warships to strengthen and meet the needs of the Indonesian Navy's Alutsista.

There are several defense cooperation between Indonesia and Denmark such as the Plan of Action (POA) 2017 – 2020 through the 3rd Bilateral Forum Indonesia – Denmark under the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Indonesia, then several cooperations in the defense industry and the signing of a contract with the Indonesian government for Electronic Support Measures. (ESM) Six Indonesian Navy Ships in August 2021.

Read more:

Indonesia - Denmark Lakukan Pengembangan dan Produksi Kapal Perang

Jakarta, IDM - Menteri Pertahanan Republik Indonesia Prabowo Subianto menerima kunjungan kehormatan Duta Besar Kerajaan Denmark untuk Indonesia H.E. Lars

indonesiadefense.com

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1470411460383674369

Wait, Brahmos for AShM from VLS?

The article not saying anything about brahmos though

 

[chiphocks]

if i remember correctly the old variant of SMART-L and it's derivative S1850M is using PESA technology, later that they had a program called as SMART-L EWC and the fruition come as the SMART-L MM which use AESA technology. (correct me if im wrong).

the only AESA radar on type 45 are the SAMPSON.

One of those are possibly based on Iver, from the times where they brainstormed with OMT, they tried to fit another 32 Cell at front (either CAMM or MICA behind the gun) .

The other one is from the brainstorming with Babcock, with 4x6 CAMM-ER / MICA (or maybe magically 3x8 VLS but the earlier one fits better) in front elevated deck, 32 VLS and 8/16 AShM; sums to 72. Actually Babcock's offer delivered to them re-used by them.

The distinguishable difference is the top deck; Iver has a lowered top deck to conceal deck equipments and protruding VLS/AShM canisters behind the board plating. They have reworked this on AH140 to elavate deck higher and cancel the boards (since they are not planning Mk56), making up the RCS of AShM Canisters via reduction in elsewhere, increasing inner volume for Rhib/USV operations.

looks like UK's Type 45 little brother.....

but is it confirmed that it'll use SAMPSON MFR + S1850M VSR ???
why don't they chose (S1850M / SMART-L MM) + APAR ?? both of them from Thales
plus, from Mandala's post, I can't see where they gonna put that sampson, are they gonna remove the top part of that mast or what?

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PT PAL INDONESIA on Instagram: "Halo #SobatPAL Dalam penerapan Transformasi Industri Maritim 4.0 PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) hadir untuk memenuhi Alutsista di Indonesia .. Design kapal berbasis digital twin merupakan salah satu inovasi yang diusung PT

382 likes, 17 comments - ptpal_indonesia on December 9, 2021: "Halo #SobatPAL Dalam penerapan Transformasi Industri Maritim 4.0 PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) hadir untuk memenuhi Alutsista di Indonesia .. Design kapal berbasis digital twin merupakan salah satu inovasi yang diusung PT PAL Indonesia...

www.instagram.com

 

[R4duga]

looks like UK's Type 45 little brother.....

but is it confirmed that it'll use SAMPSON MFR + S1850M VSR ???
why don't they chose (S1850M / SMART-L MM) + APAR ?? both of them from Thales
plus, from Mandala's post, I can't see where they gonna put that sampson, are they gonna remove the top part of that mast or what?

for the bold statement, we're not, besides the 3d render model from PT.PAL are vague, one shown with intergrated mast the latter 3d render model shown another type of mast which i assume using NS200 radar + SMART-L .

 

[chiphocks]

for the bold statement, we're not, besides the 3d render model from PT.PAL are vague, one shown with intergrated mast the latter 3d render model shown another type of mast which i assume using NS200 radar + SMART-L .

View attachment 37249

yeah, NS200...
just have to put a sphere dome to cover that NS200 and voila, SAMPSON kw 1...

 

[Van Kravchenko]

for the bold statement, we're not, besides the 3d render model from PT.PAL are vague, one shown with intergrated mast the latter 3d render model shown another type of mast which i assume using NS200 radar + SMART-L .

View attachment 37249

They ended up put cheap radar instead all you guys talking about.

Remember, the winner is one who take over at last turn

 

[Lordimperator]

They ended up put cheap radar instead all you guys talking about

Oh come on, let we enjoy the dream while we can

Anyway, are there any VLS solutions being offered by the OMT - babcock? Or its not yet decided?

 

[R4duga]

They ended up put cheap radar instead all you guys talking about.

Remember, the winner is one who take over at last turn

im not disagreeing with this, even UK with their type 26 choose to use Artisan 997 instead of much more modern Thales NS series.

not going to surprised if we ended up with thales smart-s mk2 .

 

[chiphocks]

Oh come on, let we enjoy the dream while we can

Anyway, are there any VLS solutions being offered by the OMT - babcock? Or its not yet decided?

im not disagreeing with this, even UK with their type 26 choose to use Artisan 997 instead of much more modern Thales NS series.

not going to surprised if we ended up with thales smart-s mk2 .

Smart S + Smart L, call it "Smart Vision"

ok, let's make it short, NS100 instead of NS200
280km vs 400km
worthed??