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This guy is very persistent on inconsistency...



Yesterday he and his YouTube affiliated channel said Indonesia government doesn't give much consent toward Frigates funding, but now he said don't downplayed European lobbyist

He will have better assessment when it comes to his YT channel or when he and the team in Semarsentinel make any report. Twitter post should not be compared with those thorough assessments, just like when we make any statement on our FB post, many of them have our own wishful thinking and personal preference.
 

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I assume now we have two subs (Nagapasa & Ardadedali) stationed in Natuna.



According to Antara News

KRI Ardadedali-404 tiba di Pelabuhan Pangkalan TNI AL Ranai, Natuna, Kepulauan Riau, Minggu (4/4/2021). KRI Ardadedali-404 merupakan kapal selam diesel elektrik type 209/1400 yang dilengkapi peluncur torpedo 533 milimeter dan memiliki peluru kendali antikapal permukaan yang merupakan modernisasi armada kapal selam TNI AL. ANTARA FOTO/Teguh Prihatna/Lmo/hp.
 

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He will have better assessment when it comes to his YT channel or when he and the team in Semarsentinel make any report. Twitter post should not be compared on those thorough assessment, just like when we make any statement on our FB post, many of the has our own wishful thinking and personal preference.

Not only me but there is several member here have access to some sensitive information regarding procurement issue, it just most of us using wait and see approach and let everything goes with the flow. We just use our old golden words since old Formil Kaskus era, seeing is believing! and many Times this guy got caught for his statement is false or being not so accurate. Not only in his tweet but on his You Tube channel!!!
 

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memiliki peluru kendali antikapal permukaan
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Is there any join exercise or what?
There will be join exercise with JP in south china sea soon, afaik the date have not been decided yet.
 

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Not only me but there is several member here have access to some sensitive information regarding procurement issue, it just most of us using wait and see approach and let everything goes with the flow. We just use our old golden words since old Formil Kaskus era, seeing is believing! and many Times this guy got caught for his statement is false or being not so accurate. Not only in his tweet but on his You Tube channel!!!

Well, regarding procurement, particularly in Navy and Air Force, they are not yet materialized. Army is more fast in the realization since much of the procurement will be produced by local industry, something that Jokowi prefers. He has made many statement regarding it and not to mention those latest "bencilah produk asing" statement..... :cool:

Yup, we dont know for sure about Navy and Air Force procurement and it is right what you have said that seeing is believing, particularly during Jokowi term where much of his focus is in the economy (particularly infrastructure, industrialization, and macro economic factors). Much unpredicted compared to SBY administration since the final words will likely be in the hand of his economic team and his inner circle (President Palace team). Not to mention this unprecedented Covid pandemic that struck the world while during SBY administration basically we were experiencing economic boom.
 

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You better not getting hacked.


Like how he suddenly switch from Aramco to rosfnet for oil refinery project.

I am never doing works when using my private mobile or personal computers.
 

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This guy is very persistent on inconsistency...



Yesterday he and his YouTube affiliated channel said Indonesia government doesn't give much consent toward Frigates funding, but now he said don't downplayed European lobbyist
If may i suggest, there's no need to take this guy tweet or whatsoever as a mile stone for our defence discussion topics. Since he's nit the one who has capability to give a formal statement about arms deal.

By my oppinion, AH tweet lately only carry his personal opinion on.

Some tweets may indicates that he lean towards some manufacturer.

What i see here he's more likely want to act like GFP(🤣 )
 

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Is there any join exercise or what?
There will be join exercise with JP in south china sea soon, afaik the date have not been decided yet.
Do we have any Submarine capable Anti-Ship Missile already ?.
 

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Afaik, capability like this is something should be regarded as military secret.
how about torpedoes, do our submarines (especially the older ones like cakra class) have ready 2 shoot live torpedoes? also, have we get and start using black shark torpedoes?
 

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I assume now we have two subs (Nagapasa & Ardadedali) stationed in Natuna.


Btw just realized, there is increasing intencity of Marine corps training ops temp

According to Antara News

KRI Ardadedali-404 tiba di Pelabuhan Pangkalan TNI AL Ranai, Natuna, Kepulauan Riau, Minggu (4/4/2021). KRI Ardadedali-404 merupakan kapal selam diesel elektrik type 209/1400 yang dilengkapi peluncur torpedo 533 milimeter dan memiliki peluru kendali antikapal permukaan yang merupakan modernisasi armada kapal selam TNI AL. ANTARA FOTO/Teguh Prihatna/Lmo/hp.
All those news including recent Sukhoi kh29 testing give me the impression of TNI showing/flexing their muscle. Specially the 404, it is a common thing to make sub trip secret to avoid being followed or detect by satelite or others. Seems like this time they might have been deliberatly invited Antara news journalist to cover the arrival of 404. Not to mention the bold writing which said ability to fire AShM. We know TNI AL wanted this kind of capability for their new subs but its never been confirmed whether they have it nor type of missile. Like madokafc said I concur that this kind of ability wouldnt be release to public but seems like they did it. That off course still debatable if they truly have it or not.

To whom they trying to detter directly? On what ground? What has been going on behind close door? Why 2+2 with Japan? What do they got from Russia? Kepo maksimal :LOL: , like I often said nothing is coincidence in this kind of thing....
 

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We know TNI AL wanted this kind of capability for their new subs but its never been confirmed whether they have it nor type of missile.
Let's hope that this question will be answered (yes) by one of TNI AL's military exercise soon
 

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This is from 2011 news regarding our first order of Nagapasa-class sub :

"They are capable of launching torpedoes and other guided weaponry through eight tubes."

What kind of guided weaponry? 😉

Launching sub-harpoon is rather a CMS upgrade for submarines. This is like telling the computer "here are new libraries (like drivers on computers) which tells you how to communicate with this new type of weapon and which kind of parameters are to be passed (depth, distance, target location, flight profile, etc etc.)

So it should be available,unless provider of CMS (i presume Germany) has locked it.
Why would they possibly lock it?: It was not included in the contract within price.
How long does it take to unlock it: less than an hour.
Does it make sense it to be locked: not actually, any submarine capable of fiber guided or modern torpedoes typically capable of launching sub-harpoons.
Sub-harpoons are actually a torpedo, big as a torpedo, wide as a torpedo, looks like a torpedo.
The submarine interprets it as a torpedo,not a missile, except it requires a surface location to be loaded on the missile via interface.

But meanwhile i have seen some manufacturer limits some functions of a radar in software level just because the buyer has insisted for a lower price and later upgrades (literally unlocks) it in a maintenance or MLU.

Afaik, capability like this is something should be regarded as military secret.
Hiding this is like hiding which aircraft has been purchased or the missiles. Everything should be secret if you ask me,but at the other hand everything is displayed. Such as; if sub-harpoon was delivered it would definitely be showcased.
 
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