TR Marine Mavi Vatan (Blue Homeland)

[Rodeo]

You can go anything you want at the international waters, spend money(if you have anymore) , but the day that you violate the Greek territorial sea, you'll take the proper answers.

But it's international water for Turkey. So Turkey, like she or Greece always does, will do a military exercise in that area. If you think Greece will sink Turkish ships when that happens, then go for it. Expand the borders. What's holding you back? But if you can't attack the ships then be ready for the ultimate humiliation of "enemy" frigates roaming free your "territorial sea".
"Don't bite more than you can chew" is what I'm trying to say.

 

[Manomed]

You can go anything you want at the international waters, spend money(if you have anymore) , but the day that you violate the Greek territorial sea, you'll take the proper answers.

Proper answer is going to EU and saying "Turks violated my waters please help " this is the greek way of defending their waters lol

 

[Saithan]

Turkey criticizes Greece for provocations, violations in East Med​

BY DAILY SABAH​

ISTANBUL NOV 30, 2021 - 1:19 PM GMT+3


Greek F-16s take part in their annual military parade at the port city of Thessaloniki, northern Greece, Oct. 28, 2021. (AP File Photo)


Greece continues to maintain its provocative actions against Turkey and has committed 2,321 violations in the demilitarized islands in the Eastern Mediterranean, the Defense Ministry said Tuesday.

In a statement, the ministry said Greece violated the demilitarized status of islands 2,321 times using naval and air vehicles in 2021.

Starting from the Treaty of London in 1913, the militarization of the eastern Aegean Islands was restricted and their demilitarized status was confirmed in the Treaty of Lausanne signed in 1923. The Lausanne treaty established a political balance between the two countries by harmonizing vital interests including those in the Aegean.

The 1947 Treaty of Paris, which ceded the Dodecanese islands from Italy to Greece, also confirmed their demilitarized status.

However, Greece argues that the 1936 Montreux Convention on the Turkish Straits should be applied in this case, while Ankara says Greece's obligation to disarm the islands remains unchanged under the Montreux Convention, as well as there being no provision that differentiates it from the Treaty of Lausanne on the issue.

Greece gradually began to militarize the islands after 1960 and then fastened the pace after the Cyprus crisis of 1974.

The ministry noted that Athens continues to make unfounded allegations against Ankara and escalates tensions, completely disregarding Turkey’s calls for dialogue.
Greece also violated a 1988 agreement on avoiding military drills and training activities on statutory and religious holidays 59 times in the past year and carries out exercises with extraterritorial countries in the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean seas by creating a false perception of hostility.

The Defense Ministry said Turkey continues to take necessary initiatives through diplomatic channels against Greece’s unlawful and provocative stance and retaliates in kind under the scope of reciprocity.

“Greece tries to portray the image of victim by bending the truth, concealing its unlawful and violent acts by taking shelter under its European Union membership, and trying to forge alliances by creating the false perception of threats,” the ministry said, adding that such actions contradict the spirit of the NATO alliance and bilateral relations.

The ministry also criticized Greece for violently pushing back migrants, threatening their lives and erasing proof documenting its crimes in the Eastern Mediterranean.

Turkey expects its neighbor to stop trying to get third parties involved in the conflict, and rather than listing preconditions for dialogue and talks, strive to solve problems through peaceful means based on international law.

The ministry noted that it repeated its invitation to their Greek counterparts to attend the fourth round of confidence building talks in Ankara.

“As we’ve repeatedly said, Turkey does not pose a threat to anyone, on the contrary, it is an effective and strong ally for its friends and partners,” the ministry said, adding that the country wants the Turkish and Greek people to fairly utilize the resources of the region and live in peace, prosperity and security.

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[Akritas]

Turkey criticizes Greece for provocations, violations in East Med​

BY DAILY SABAH​

ISTANBUL NOV 30, 2021 - 1:19 PM GMT+3


Greek F-16s take part in their annual military parade at the port city of Thessaloniki, northern Greece, Oct. 28, 2021. (AP File Photo)


Greece continues to maintain its provocative actions against Turkey and has committed 2,321 violations in the demilitarized islands in the Eastern Mediterranean, the Defense Ministry said Tuesday.

In a statement, the ministry said Greece violated the demilitarized status of islands 2,321 times using naval and air vehicles in 2021.

Starting from the Treaty of London in 1913, the militarization of the eastern Aegean Islands was restricted and their demilitarized status was confirmed in the Treaty of Lausanne signed in 1923. The Lausanne treaty established a political balance between the two countries by harmonizing vital interests including those in the Aegean.

The 1947 Treaty of Paris, which ceded the Dodecanese islands from Italy to Greece, also confirmed their demilitarized status.

However, Greece argues that the 1936 Montreux Convention on the Turkish Straits should be applied in this case, while Ankara says Greece's obligation to disarm the islands remains unchanged under the Montreux Convention, as well as there being no provision that differentiates it from the Treaty of Lausanne on the issue.

Greece gradually began to militarize the islands after 1960 and then fastened the pace after the Cyprus crisis of 1974.

The ministry noted that Athens continues to make unfounded allegations against Ankara and escalates tensions, completely disregarding Turkey’s calls for dialogue.
Greece also violated a 1988 agreement on avoiding military drills and training activities on statutory and religious holidays 59 times in the past year and carries out exercises with extraterritorial countries in the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean seas by creating a false perception of hostility.

The Defense Ministry said Turkey continues to take necessary initiatives through diplomatic channels against Greece’s unlawful and provocative stance and retaliates in kind under the scope of reciprocity.

“Greece tries to portray the image of victim by bending the truth, concealing its unlawful and violent acts by taking shelter under its European Union membership, and trying to forge alliances by creating the false perception of threats,” the ministry said, adding that such actions contradict the spirit of the NATO alliance and bilateral relations.

The ministry also criticized Greece for violently pushing back migrants, threatening their lives and erasing proof documenting its crimes in the Eastern Mediterranean.

Turkey expects its neighbor to stop trying to get third parties involved in the conflict, and rather than listing preconditions for dialogue and talks, strive to solve problems through peaceful means based on international law.

The ministry noted that it repeated its invitation to their Greek counterparts to attend the fourth round of confidence building talks in Ankara.

“As we’ve repeatedly said, Turkey does not pose a threat to anyone, on the contrary, it is an effective and strong ally for its friends and partners,” the ministry said, adding that the country wants the Turkish and Greek people to fairly utilize the resources of the region and live in peace, prosperity and security.

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All these arbitary and repeated Turkish claims have been answered in the below link.....

Mavi Vatan (Blue Homeland)

I don't think the US really intends to fight Turkey because there are US soldiers operating on Turkish soil already as part of the American base. You still factor into NATO defense calculations, believe it or not. And if you really want a deterrent, no air force superiority or anything of the...

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[Oublious]

So if i am correct, we made a deal with the Italians about the millitairy status of the islands and not with Greece is the argument?

All these arbitary and repeated Turkish claims have been answered in the below link.....

Mavi Vatan (Blue Homeland)

I don't think the US really intends to fight Turkey because there are US soldiers operating on Turkish soil already as part of the American base. You still factor into NATO defense calculations, believe it or not. And if you really want a deterrent, no air force superiority or anything of the...

defencehub.live

All of your claims are BS, the argument that something like in 1974 will occure. You attacked Turks first and killed people. After that Turkish Army came in action, looks like Greece is retared country to me if that is what you learn your people .

So are you scamming to attack Turks againg? So that Turkish army destroy, and then what will the next argument.

 

[Akritas]

So if i am correct, we made a deal with the Italians about the millitairy status of the islands and not with Greece is the argument?

No, you are wrong.
The January 1932 treaty between Italy and Turkey as also and the supplementary procès-verbal of December
1932, a delimitation line was drawn between Turkey and Italy, to which the Dodecanese belonged at the time, clearly distinguishing the islands of each country.

 

[Oublious]

No, you are wrong.
The January 1932 treaty between Italy and Turkey as also and the supplementary procès-verbal of December
1932, a delimitation line was drawn between Turkey and Italy, to which the Dodecanese belonged at the time, clearly distinguishing the islands of each country.

This is a another story, the deal between Turkey and Italy is much more then 1 sentece you come with.

 

[Akritas]

All of your claims are BS, the argument that something like in 1974 will occure. You attacked Turks first and killed people. After that Turkish Army came in action, looks like Greece is retared country to me if that is what you learn your people .

So are you scamming to attack Turks againg? So that Turkish army destroy, and then what will the next argument.

My arguments are clear, I repeat them briefly :

1. Greece possesses ipso facto and ab initio sovereign rights and jurisdiction in the Aegean and the Eastern Mediterranean in accordance with the relevant provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, which reflects customary international law, and its national legislation.This position has been registered on numerous occasions with the United Nations and has also been communicated bilaterally to Turkey.
2. Τurkey refused to come before the International Court, invoking its non-recognition of the Court’s jurisdiction.
3. Turkey is the only country that refers to and demands the demilitarization of the “islands in the Eastern Aegean”. Greece reiterates its position that it is fully justified in taking all elementary precautionary measures to ensure that it will be able to exercise its inalienable right to self-defence on the basis of Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, in particular given the above-mentioned conduct of Turkey since 1974. The moto is: What is threatened is not demilitarized
4. Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1974, in violation of the Cyprus Treaty of Guarantee
5. Turkey systematically violates Greek Air Space, and its military aircraft, often armed, fly over inhabited Greek islands in the Aegean Sea, which raises serious security concerns.
6. Turkey over the past three decades, has maintained a significant number of military units, aircraft and landing craft at points on the coast of Asia Minor just across from the Greek islands, which is a serious threat against Greece.
7. Turkey has invaded and illegally occupies, apart from a part of Cyprus, also parts of Iraq and Syria, claiming that it has done so out of concerns for its security.
8. Turkey refuses to withdraw its military forces and mercenaries from Libya, defying relevant persistent calls by the entire international community, in the context of the latter’s endeavours for a peaceful solution to the Libyan crisis
9. Turkey is weaponising refugees and immigrants by pushing them forward to the Greek borders, a clearly instrumentalisation tactic for political purposes.

 

[Manomed]

My arguments are clear, I repeat them briefly :

1. Greece possesses ipso facto and ab initio sovereign rights and jurisdiction in the Aegean and the Eastern Mediterranean in accordance with the relevant provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, which reflects customary international law, and its national legislation.This position has been registered on numerous occasions with the United Nations and has also been communicated bilaterally to Turkey.
2. Τurkey refused to come before the International Court, invoking its non-recognition of the Court’s jurisdiction.
3. Turkey is the only country that refers to and demands the demilitarization of the “islands in the Eastern Aegean”. Greece reiterates its position that it is fully justified in taking all elementary precautionary measures to ensure that it will be able to exercise its inalienable right to self-defence on the basis of Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, in particular given the above-mentioned conduct of Turkey since 1974. The moto is: What is threatened is not demilitarized
4. Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1974, in violation of the Cyprus Treaty of Guarantee
5. Turkey systematically violates Greek Air Space, and its military aircraft, often armed, fly over inhabited Greek islands in the Aegean Sea, which raises serious security concerns.
6. Turkey over the past three decades, has maintained a significant number of military units, aircraft and landing craft at points on the coast of Asia Minor just across from the Greek islands, which is a serious threat against Greece.
7. Turkey has invaded and illegally occupies, apart from a part of Cyprus, also parts of Iraq and Syria, claiming that it has done so out of concerns for its security.
8. Turkey refuses to withdraw its military forces and mercenaries from Libya, defying relevant persistent calls by the entire international community, in the context of the latter’s endeavours for a peaceful solution to the Libyan crisis
9. Turkey is weaponising refugees and immigrants by pushing them forward to the Greek borders, a clearly instrumentalisation tactic for political purposes.

First Iraq and Syria is none of your concern you weren't the one where scud missiles and other shit fell down. We are in cooperation with Iraqi kurdistan to fight against pkk you probably support pkk too probably see them as freedom fighters. Turkey can defend itself against any Incursions from Iraq now this happened a lot before We entered Iraq why are you bitching?

Second Libya is none of your business as well there are russian mercenaries and russian soldiers in libya too Why are you not bothered with them ? According to you We should let Russians run the country with Haftar whom Libyan people hates You don't care about the libyans at all.

Third Libyan military has made an aggrement with turkey for naval and air base why are you bitching about stuff happened between by 2 countries? We are there as a Advisor force no TAF personnel was inside any firefights between gna and lna.

answer these questions I asked @Akritas you support pkk don't you little man

 

[Ryder]

Greece does support Pkk when Ocalan admitted they sent arms even advisors.

That day will come when payback comes to Greece.

I wait that day so bad. Never forget and never forgive. Turkey needs to ramp up in every thing dont give these guys an inch.

Enough with the uncle tom bs and cooning around. Stop having sympathy for these guys they would drown us with a tablespoon of water.

 

[Manomed]

We should let pkk to come into Turkey freely from Northern Iraq
Also we should let russians to control libya too according to you

(He probably supports pkk)

 

[Lool]

We should let pkk to come into Turkey freely from Northern Iraq
Also we should let russians to control libya too according to you

(He probably supports pkk)

Greeks in general supports the PKK, lol

Greece has even trained PKK personel before and they still probably do so. Have we all forgotten what Ocalan admitted about PKK support to Greece?

 

[Lool]

Libyan Parliament is dictatoship?

Mate, come on, I respect you even if we are of opposing views but if you are going to say such bullshit, then I may have to revert such decision

After Haftar declared his war, around 2016, majority of the parliamentary memebers have escaped towards the West where the GNA is located; the only 40 or so parliamentary members that remained are the ones which are pro-Haftar and I assure you that they arent the majority. Iam sure you know how parliaments work, right?
According to the constitution, all parliamentary decisions must come from within the parliament and no parliamentary member can do so if he is not within the parliament. What the geniuses pro-haftar parliamentary members did is that they still conducted regular parliamentary sessions, during the war, while recording the ones who escaped as absent. Thus, voila, pro-haftar members gained the majority by 40 to nill

The pro-libyan parliament is a joke

 

[Akritas]

Hold your horses, even if the ratio of 5/1 (Lool, Manomed, Ryder, Oublious, Saithan) is common for the Greeks. Also you put several issues (PKK, Libya and Syria). I ‘ve started with the first.

PKK issue

PKK is part of the so called Kurdish Issue/Question. Various Kurdish insurgent groups have either demanded separation from Turkey to create an independent Kurdistan, or attempted to secure autonomy and greater political and cultural rights for Kurds inside Turkey/Syria/Iran.

Kurds represents the 20% of population in Turley. What is problematic is that Turkey has reduced the Kurdish quest for greater collective minority rights to a fight against the PKK and YPG. Turkey treats all Kurdish opposition (peaceful and militant) as PKK-inspired ‘terrorism’. Also problematic is how Turkey is taking its ‘war on terror’ into the region without addressing root causes of the conflict in Turkey itself. This combination will create new Kurdish grievances at home and instability in the neighbourhood.

Turkey has long marginalized and repressed Kurdish collective minority rights, which helps explain the very existence of the PKK. In today’s Turkish Republic, there is a near-total absence of space for independent political representation and societal debate regarding collective minority rights – and much else. The main party standing up for minority interests, the Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP) , has been eviscerated. Its leaders(Selahattin Demirtaş) and many members are in jail on charges of terrorism without due process or convincing evidence.

If Turkey wants peace and reduce the PKK power, must give more liberal democracy, justice kai human rights to the Kurds.

As regards the Turkish allegations for PKK camps in Greece are ridicules, no proof was ever provided though and it is quite certain they never will.

 

[Ryder]

Pretty rich coming from a Greek who is crying about "minority rights"

 

[Ryder]

Hold your horses, even if the ratio of 5/1 (Lool, Manomed, Ryder, Oublious, Saithan) is common for the Greeks. Also you put several issues (PKK, Libya and Syria). I ‘ve started with the first.

PKK issue

PKK is part of the so called Kurdish Issue/Question. Various Kurdish insurgent groups have either demanded separation from Turkey to create an independent Kurdistan, or attempted to secure autonomy and greater political and cultural rights for Kurds inside Turkey/Syria/Iran.

Kurds represents the 20% of population in Turley. What is problematic is that Turkey has reduced the Kurdish quest for greater collective minority rights to a fight against the PKK and YPG. Turkey treats all Kurdish opposition (peaceful and militant) as PKK-inspired ‘terrorism’. Also problematic is how Turkey is taking its ‘war on terror’ into the region without addressing root causes of the conflict in Turkey itself. This combination will create new Kurdish grievances at home and instability in the neighbourhood.

Turkey has long marginalized and repressed Kurdish collective minority rights, which helps explain the very existence of the PKK. In today’s Turkish Republic, there is a near-total absence of space for independent political representation and societal debate regarding collective minority rights – and much else. The main party standing up for minority interests, the Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP) , has been eviscerated. Its leaders(Selahattin Demirtaş) and many members are in jail on charges of terrorism without due process or convincing evidence.

If Turkey wants peace and reduce the PKK power, must give more liberal democracy, justice kai human rights to the Kurds.

As regards the Turkish allegations for PKK camps in Greece are ridicules, no proof was ever provided though and it is quite certain they never will.

Hdp has ties to pkk and they refused to cut all ties while Selahattin demirtas literally took photos with pkk terrorists and bragged about how they are going to put Ocalan statues every where in Turkey.

Of course Greeks would vouch for a terrorist just like what they did with Ocalan.

I hope the admins ban you terrorist supporting piece of shit.

By the way a few Ottoman warriors led by Osman Gazi whopped thousands of Greeks. All it took was a few raids to make you guys pay tribute to us. Stay in your lane.

Also Ataturk led an army that was outnumbered and outgunned to beat the Greeks. Ataturk basically reformed a dead Ottoman army while Greece still had its army intact as it did not face so much destruction or heavy casualties in ww1.

 

[Ardabas34]

Its leaders(Selahattin Demirtaş) and many members are in jail on charges of terrorism without due process or convincing evidence.

If Turkey wants peace and reduce the PKK power, must give more liberal democracy, justice kai human rights to the Kurds.

As regards the Turkish allegations for PKK camps in Greece are ridicules, no proof was ever provided though and it is quite certain they never will.

1- Without any convincing evidence?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/401666085382275072

Yeniden Yönlendirme Bildirimi

(he says ''we will build statues of Apo(Abdullah Ocalan)''

2- Erdogan even initiated ''peace process'' with PKK. Prior, Turkey even sat down with PKK in Oslo. PKK used this entire opportunity to stack more weapons, kidnap more children to raise as militants and sending militants to Syria in order to carve out what is YPG today.
PKK is a malign structure that does not seek a democratical solution. They mocked Turkeys efforts to end the conflict peacefully.

3- Greece doesnt even call ''Muslims of West Thrace'' Turks. Greece solved its minority issue with sword and what is remaining with population exchange. Turkey even allows a party that doesnt disassociate itself with terrorists into her assembly. It is not Greeces place to criticise Turkey.

 

[Ryder]

1- Without any convincing evidence?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/401666085382275072

Yeniden Yönlendirme Bildirimi

(he says ''we will build statues of Apo(Abdullah Ocalan)''

2- Erdogan even initiated ''peace process'' with PKK. Prior, Turkey even sat down with PKK in Oslo. PKK used this entire opportunity to stack more weapons, kidnap more children to raise as militants and sending militants to Syria in order to carve out what is YPG today.
PKK is a malign structure that does not seek a democratical solution. They mocked Turkeys efforts to end the conflict peacefully.

3- Greece doesnt even call ''Muslims of West Thrace'' Turks. Greece solved its minority issue with sword and what is remaining with population exchange. Turkey even allows a party that doesnt disassociate itself with terrorists into her assembly. It is not Greeces place to criticise Turkey.

He forgets how Greece and Cyprus gave Ocalan a greek passport. Ocalan also admitted to Greece giving funding and arms.

Everything is clear.

 

[CAN_TR]

If Turkey wants peace and reduce the PKK power, must give more liberal democracy, justice kai human rights to the Kurds.

As regards the Turkish allegations for PKK camps in Greece are ridicules, no proof was ever provided though and it is quite certain they never will.

No difference between the Makhmur "refugee" camp in Iraq and Lavrion in Greece, it's still hillarious that you Greeks deny any ties to PKK, Öcalan was captured in the Greek embassy with Greek Cyriot ID-card, using Greece as stepping stone to travel, Greek Intelligence Officer on his side (Savvas Kalenteridis). Not to mention how he was revealing everything about Greek support during his interrogation.

You are such a biased dishonest person in any way, no spine to tell things strait out, you lack objectivity nothing more than a hypocrite lier, spare us with you copy paste answers. Every Greek i had a discussion is using the exactly same phrases over and over again.

Now tell us where exactly Kurds are oppressed? Name us some points...

 

[Manomed]

Bruh kurds have same rights as me where are we opressing them they got kurdish language schools every place has kurdish names in eastern Turkey lmao he thinks we kill kurds wherever we see them