TR Military Operations in Northern Iraq

[Akhtar]

Warn international organizations on bureucratic level, issue a note for camp to be displaced at appropiate location under supervision of coalition and ask them to keep camp clean of recognized terrorist organizations.

Pretty easy for a country with government who can handle bureucracy. Hard for a country with bureucrats who doesn't understand a bit of bureucracy and politics.

Well yes something must be done. The question is does Turkey want to repatriate them ? Iraq does not want them. Otherwise they stay there and the camp continues to be UNHCR protected. Other than a ground attack for security, there is no point in one or two strikes. That is all I am arguing. This happened because Erdogan was giving a speech, he will do things for domestic wins that will cost us. As usual. He said he would clean it, but these strikes ? not effective.

Erdogan says Turkey could target refugee camp deep inside Iraq

President Tayyip Erdogan has warned Iraq that Turkey will "clean up" a refugee camp which it says provides a safe haven for Kurdish militants, threatening to take its long military campaign deeper inside Iraqi territory.

www.reuters.com

 

[Anmdt]

It is big enough to be seen from space:

The PKK took advantage of ISIS coming near the camp to attack ISIS and establish positions, same as with the Yezidi crisis. Given many of the camp are sympathetic to the PKK and are trapped in the camp, easy to recruit for the PKK. I think the northern iraq government IKBY also embargoed this camp so nobody is allowed into IKBY after the PKK assassinated a Turkish diplomat in Iraq. So recruitment into PKK is more likely.

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Then as long as camp has not been targeted directly any suspicious activities whereabouts of the camp is likely threats.
At least, US is not the country to lecture us on this especially after their doings in Syria and Afghanistan.

There is a thin line between seeing PKK as savior or being threatened by them, PKK is not a cute organization to recruit people by giving papers out they do it by force, by guns.
If UNHCR is silent against their acts, it means there is no other step to be taken but watch the camp closely and target any terrorists who is directed from there to Turkish posts.

 

[Glass🚬]

Everybody is free to express his opinions within the rules of the forum and I don't see a violation. I also think differently than him on some issues but what is the forum for? To express opinions, ideas and point of views. We may like it or not but that don't give us the right to attack personally. You are free to continue discussion.

Its not his opinion, I dont give a fck about it quite frankly, Im 100% hes a false flagger and he should flag up accordingly.

 

[Akhtar]

Its not his opinion, I dont give a fck about it quite frankly, Im 100% hes a false flagger and he should flag up accordingly.

Did I do something wrong ? Why are you so angry ?

 

[Ryder]

Usa is crying for its terrorists that the Turks are bombing.

I hope Turkey intensifies it.

No mercy to terrorist rats.

 

[Glass🚬]

Did I do something wrong ? Why are you so angry ?

Flag up accordingly.

 

[Akhtar]

Flag up accordingly.

I have. Although now that I checked my profile, I changed my picture to something I like even more.

 

[Saithan]

I think it would be necessary to clean up the camp bit by bit. Prosecute every last one, but do it slowly. If they do not appear for court then throw them out of citizenship. Anyone who wasn’t born or issued citizenship is not citizen of Turkey. So either wait to the last ones die out or hunt down those who hold citizenship.

That should make it easier for them to seek refugee in US or elsewhere

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1401558499566424078

The doctor guy that got killed.

 

[Lool]

Well yes something must be done. The question is does Turkey want to repatriate them ? Iraq does not want them. Otherwise they stay there and the camp continues to be UNHCR protected. Other than a ground attack for security, there is no point in one or two strikes. That is all I am arguing. This happened because Erdogan was giving a speech, he will do things for domestic wins that will cost us. As usual. He said he would clean it, but these strikes ? not effective.

Erdogan says Turkey could target refugee camp deep inside Iraq

President Tayyip Erdogan has warned Iraq that Turkey will "clean up" a refugee camp which it says provides a safe haven for Kurdish militants, threatening to take its long military campaign deeper inside Iraqi territory.

www.reuters.com

IMO, we shouldnt forget that at the end, PKK is largely backed by the USA
If turkey became arrogant and actually went on a massive offensive, USA will interfere and if they did Turkey wont be able to do shit. Pls dont forget that the PKK controlled areas in iraq and syria are filled with both gold and oil. Moreover, PKK is one of the main factions against russia and assad regime; which means that the usa wont be willing to lose them anytime soon and from their point of view it is a factual plan. Just becaus they let turkey release some strikes doesnt mean that turkey should grow full of itself. The current strategy that turkey carries is the one with greatest result and least risk

I believe it is better for turkey to carry out precision strikes on important individuals to reduce the momentum with some strikes and then occasional bombings to reduce the canoon fodder and that is all. At the end of the day, Iraq is still a foreign nation with PKK inside its borders

 

[Saithan]

IMO, we shouldnt forget that at the end, PKK is largely backed by the USA
If turkey became arrogant and actually went on a massive offensive, USA will interfere and if they did Turkey wont be able to do shit. Pls dont forget that the PKK controlled areas in iraq and syria are filled with both gold and oil. Moreover, PKK is one of the main factions against russia and assad regime; which means that the usa wont be willing to lose them anytime soon and from their point of view it is a factual plan. Just becaus they let turkey release some strikes doesnt mean that turkey should grow full of itself. The current strategy that turkey carries is the one with greatest result and least risk

I believe it is better for turkey to carry out precision strikes on important individuals to reduce the momentum with some strikes and then occasional bombings to reduce the canoon fodder and that is all. At the end of the day, Iraq is still a foreign nation with PKK inside its borders

We all know that. Also thhe US is still slowly establishing a new terror state, so we can either wait until it’s done, and they’ve gotten a new solid ally, while we’ve been behaving, or we can shift he balance of power, while supporting those we want in power.

 

[Kartal1]

Unfortunately we gave a martyr due to IED explosion in the north of Iraq. Infantry Specialist Sergeant Samet SEKER. May Allah accept his martyrdom.

 

[Lool]

We all know that. Also thhe US is still slowly establishing a new terror state, so we can either wait until it’s done, and they’ve gotten a new solid ally, while we’ve been behaving, or we can shift he balance of power, while supporting those we want in power.

Lets be factual here, the terror state the US is establishing will never stop since until this moment, the legitimacy is with russia as it recieved direct invitation from the internationaly recognised government of assad regime
Turkey can never shift the balance of power in its favour. Turkey currently doesnt have the infrastructure to do so neither the manpower or the factions required. If turkey was against France, Germany, or UAE even I would have said it is feasible; however, you guys are playing against both the russians and americans
Like literally impossible to topple the current status
The only thing turkey can do is push the power game between the usa and russia around 20 to 30 km away from its borders which is what you are trying to do rn but the PKK doesnt want that because they believe in greater kurdistan (kurds of iraq, syria, and turkey being one nation) which is a good card to pressure the US (although iam inclined to believe that the US themselves are interested in the idea)

 

[Akhtar]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1401558499566424078

The doctor guy that got killed.

I don't think its the same one that Erdogan tweeted about. This tweet says "Muhammad Hussein Shahbazi" codenamed Agit Rojhilat.

Erdogan tweeted: “Doktor Hüseyin” real name Selman Bozkır

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1401533629533130756

 

[Spook]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1401541640418955266

In 15 April 2020, TSK neutralized 1 PKK high ranking field commander along with 2 while they were trying to enter a secret tunnel network in Mahmur camp. MIT has a good presence in Mahmur camp. Yesterday, MIT was able to coordinate with TSK for a surgical strike while the PKK camp general director Dr. Husein and camp armed wing commander Hewal Salih went for a walk.

 

[Spook]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1401229472372822020

US taking advantage of black minorities to spread instability in middle east with fancy humanist wording. Never forget American atrocities in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria. Recently, US killed more than 1600 civilians leveling Raqqa.

 

[Stuka]

New area of control.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1401617467949125635

Peshmerga troops are entrenching themselves in Metina even though PKK killed and warned them.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1401626208849301505

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1401572193604149257

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1401654302708486147

 

[GoatsMilk]

esnt have the infrastructure to do so neither the manpower or the factions required. If turkey was against France, Germany, or UAE even I would have said it is feasible; however, you guys are playing against both the russians and americans
Like literally impossible to topple the current status

Turkey already entered syria 4 times and made a bigger footprint each time. That's with Russia, USA, EU and every other regional clown threatening Turkey including, iran, iraq, assad, the gulf states egypt. Mark my words Turkey in the next 10 years is going to enter many more times.

You completely underestimate the Turkish character. The Turks are going to incrementally keep chipping away. Last year the Turks got to work in Libya, Syria and Azerbaijan.

All of these imperial games against Turkey, woke the Turks up. From being a passive country that avoided problems outside of Turkey, it turned Turkey into an expansionist state. All these attacks caused a reaction that sees Turkey expanding her military footprint in every direction. Syria, Iraq, Azerbaijan, Libya, Qatar, Cyprus, Ukraine, step by step Turkey is expanding.

 

[Lool]

Turkey already entered syria 4 times and made a bigger footprint each time. That's with Russia, USA, EU and every other regional clown threatening Turkey including, iran, iraq, assad, the gulf states egypt. Mark my words Turkey in the next 10 years is going to enter many more times.

You completely underestimate the Turkish character. The Turks are going to incrementally keep chipping away. Last year the Turks got to work in Libya, Syria and Azerbaijan.

All of these imperial games against Turkey, woke the Turks up. From being a passive country that avoided problems outside of Turkey, it turned Turkey into an expansionist state. All these attacks caused a reaction that sees Turkey expanding her military footprint in every direction. Syria, Iraq, Azerbaijan, Libya, Qatar, Cyprus, Ukraine, step by step Turkey is expanding.

You do make sense from a different perspective
But From how I see it..... and I dont mean any insult to turkey or turks whatsoever....

IN LIBYA, Three factors helped turkey (IMO): the first being is that turkey was helping an internationally recognised government which gave turkey a massive leverage in the international field. The second point is that USA didnt want khalifa haftar to win because if he did, russia can deploy nuclear bombers just 15 km from the doors of spain and italy (which are tha backbone of europe's economy and have many reputable defense companies and ofcourse control of trade). The third being that france was one of the main contributors to haftar; after turkey stepped in and exposed the russian-french alliance with khalifa haftar many europeans were skeptic about france which made them reduce their contribution to a great degree

In Azerbaijan, turkey again had the leverage in the international arena by saying that armenia refused to leave the occupied territories for nearly 30 years and this was signed by USA, france, and russia; thus if tye west intervened, they would appear as hypocrites and non peace loving. Moreover, armenia is russia's plaything. If turkey waned the armenian and russian influence in the Caucases it is better for NATO overall. Finally, Armenia's importance is less than Iraq or Syria

In Syria, it is way messed up: Turkey had a bit of leverage with the secret deal they made with the father of the current ruler of syria. Moreover, turkey entering the game means getting in a fight with russia which will buy time for the USA to set up the kurdish state although turkey also attacks kurds which USA doesnt like



And not really..... i dont think u guys will be involved in other conflicts nor will expand.... unless the current situation improves, CHP will win the 2023 elections and CHP made themselves clear that they arent interested by this sort of thing especially when KK of CHP himself once asked "why the hell are we in libya" which indicates short sightedness and lack of vision which are qualities necessary for a ruler tbh! Furthermore, i would say 4 more years and turkey would enter a period of political turbulence just like the current ISRAEL due to HDP as many turks hates it (from what I heard) but the CHP will make massive sacrifices to keep them so that they can gain the the higher no. of seats in the parliament imo

 

[Saithan]

You do make sense from a different perspective
But From how I see it..... and I dont mean any insult to turkey or turks whatsoever....

IN LIBYA, Three factors helped turkey (IMO): the first being is that turkey was helping an internationally recognised government which gave turkey a massive leverage in the international field. The second point is that USA didnt want khalifa haftar to win because if he did, russia can deploy nuclear bombers just 15 km from the doors of spain and italy (which are tha backbone of europe's economy and have many reputable defense companies and ofcourse control of trade). The third being that france was one of the main contributors to haftar; after turkey stepped in and exposed the russian-french alliance with khalifa haftar many europeans were skeptic about france which made them reduce their contribution to a great degree

In Azerbaijan, turkey again had the leverage in the international arena by saying that armenia refused to leave the occupied territories for nearly 30 years and this was signed by USA, france, and russia; thus if tye west intervened, they would appear as hypocrites and non peace loving. Moreover, armenia is russia's plaything. If turkey waned the armenian and russian influence in the Caucases it is better for NATO overall. Finally, Armenia's importance is less than Iraq or Syria

In Syria, it is way messed up: Turkey had a bit of leverage with the secret deal they made with the father of the current ruler of syria. Moreover, turkey entering the game means getting in a fight with russia which will buy time for the USA to set up the kurdish state although turkey also attacks kurds which USA doesnt like



And not really..... i dont think u guys will be involved in other conflicts nor will expand.... unless the current situation improves, CHP will win the 2023 elections and CHP made themselves clear that they arent interested by this sort of thing especially when KK of CHP himself once asked "why the hell are we in libya" which indicates short sightedness and lack of vision which are qualities necessary for a ruler tbh! Furthermore, i would say 4 more years and turkey would enter a period of political turbulence just like the current ISRAEL due to HDP as many turks hates it (from what I heard) but the CHP will make massive sacrifices to keep them so that they can gain the the higher no. of seats in the parliament imo

I think the issues since 9/11 is also a part of why Turkish defence industry is being prioritized to much. Because without domestic arms production and R&D we'd be at the mercy of our allies. Which pretty much has shown their alignment. You can go ahead and claim it could have been much worse. But the chaos in ME helped in part to reduce it to some extent.

We have all seen how the "west" specially France has shown their hypocrisy in Karabagh, because we know that status quo would be permanent in Armenias favor because all christian countries wouldn't want to stand up for Azerbaycan (words alone are the cheapest and useless support that can be shown).

Libya was pretty much necessary and for us to test the limits of our reach. It showed the necessity of an AC, since we don't have F35B we will have to build an AC. Let's see, time will tell.

It would be better for Turkey if USAF got dragged into Asia they'd need to reduce their activity in ME, and that would leave room for Turkey to clean up the terrorist nest. Which is another reason I hope for mini suicidal drones that can take out targets.

We need to be ready to support the arab uprising against YPG/PKK/SDF, and have the army stationed ready. But that would require the Idlib and safe zones to be developed and civilized with proper law enforcement and not the SNA. SNA etc. should be trained and disciplined and kept busy working. with an overseer of course, so they don't cause trouble.