Military Operations Syria

[Ryder]

I don't agree with what you are trying to imply. AKP has nothing to do with zionism (btw. I am a Zafer party voter). This is conspiracy theory like hypothesis. AKP tried to look friendly to Europe initially and of course tried not to anger US to stay in power. But fundamentally given their islamist view they hate Israel. This is the reason why Israel got alarmed with what happened in Syria. Israel wouldn't have acted to that extent if Turkey was ruled by a secular party. Again nothing against Islam, which I respect a lot as a religion, but I am against its political instrumentalisation. Islam should be cherished personally and yes women should be able to wear whatever they want, hicab etc. So I am against Kemalist interpretation as well, which brought us to this day. Anyhow, I see some deep political hatred in some of the forum members, which prevents arguing rationally and we end up discussing absurd stuff instead of thinking about what is best for our country.

What difference does it make? Were the arab countries Islamist?

Doesnt matter if they were Secular or Islamist. Israel does not want a strong Muslim country regardless of ideology.

They want a greater israel and want to be at the top in the middle east.

 

[begturan]

Again, being "vocal" at this point is useless. What we need is bloody action. Time is running out and Israel is just annexing territory as if they are going on a school trip

There are Israeli boots on the ground and Israel is set to neutering Syria one way or another. Israel's main issue with the current Syria is that for the first time since the founding of the republic, the Sunnis which make up 90% of the population and are generally pro-Turkey are now in control which will go against Greater Israel's plan in the long term

Rn, Israel is set on neutering Souther Syria at the very least which is the most important defensive line towards its capital, Damascus.

Just a couple of hours ago, Israel destroyed a tank training center in Damascus

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1960366315115352308

We must take this drastic step at the right time, with the right move. The same mind that gathered 100,000 Arab tribes in one day will one day gather millions. We have not one trump card, but dozens, but when the time comes... We must first play the game of intellect with soft cards. Once we demonstrate our power, there's no need for a second.

 

[Ryder]

We must take this drastic step at the right time, with the right move. The same mind that gathered 100,000 Arab tribes in one day will one day gather millions. We have not one trump card, but dozens, but when the time comes... We must first play the game of intellect with soft cards. Once we demonstrate our power, there's no need for a second.

Jews are a much bigger threat than Americans, Europeans, Russians, Arabs, Iranians, Armenians and Greeks combined.

 

[GoatsMilk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1960321732155146532

I want to highlight something else here. When the europeans eradicated and enslaved entire continents, if you read their own recorded histories they always justified it by saying the non-white man was a primitive uncivilised savage.

Now when we look at the middle east, 99% of the problems, wars, conflicts are instigated by the USA and european nations. They create the bloodshed, they create the wars, they do most of the killing, but they turn round and call the brown, the muslim, the animal and the savage.

Now if we look in the western media for decades a relentless dehumanisation campaign has been conducted against islamic civilisation. While at the same time most of the nasty islamic orders are financed and supported by the americans. So on the one hand they made the world hate Muslims and on the other hand they are the primary instigator of radicalising Muslims and financing islamic terrorism like al queda.

Now to the minorities and others who under CIA social engineering via their media outlets like daily zaman, and their countless islamist charlatans like Gulen, if your going to be so easily manipulated over issues like the "hijab". If such a thing can turn you into someone that hates a founder of a nation, the last great Turk who dealt defeats against the greatest euro powers of the time and the man who kept the Muslims of Turkiye free. The only Muslims to remain free after world war 1. Then in many ways you are proving to them that you are indeed the animal they claim us "all" to be.

You got to stop allowing these bastards to divide you among petty issues. While they got you fighting over the minor the things, their plan is to take over the entire region and bring to every Muslim what they have brought to the Palestinians.

 

[AlperTunga]

Jews are a much bigger threat than Americans, Europeans, Russians, Arabs, Iranians, Armenians and Greeks combined.

Currently this is indeed the case. And they are a formidable enemy. In one sense this is good, we will need to work much harder to improve. In other sense it can be lethal for us. One thing is clear. It all started with „one minute“. Again coming back to my motto. You only poke a sleeping lion if you have a good weapon with you, otherwise let go. Or you still try to kill him but in a clandestine way. We need to learn to be as cunning and deceitful like our enemies. We need to speak less and strike more.

 

[Lool]

Israel is officially announcing the separation of Suwaydah region from Syria

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1960828068106527156

Moreover, as part of Israeli plans to balkanize the region, a mysterious group called itself the administration of Western regions was formed abroad (we all know which countries back it) and in their speech stated that Federalism should be adopted (as we all expected) and that the Southern cities should break from Damascus and fight the ancient enemy of the Syrian people which is TURKEY

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1960666852763287748

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1960740320288641164

 

[Lool]

Juicy details regarding the recent Israeli attack on a tank training center near Damascus from the Syrian govt.
It just proves again, Assad was a pawn to Israel


Translation:
A government official speaking to Syria's official news agency SANA: "On August 26, during a field visit by army personnel near Cebel el-Manaa / Tel Mani in the south of Damascus, they discovered surveillance and listening devices and, while attempting to destroy them, were subjected to an Israeli airstrike, resulting in numerous martyrs and the vehicles becoming unusable, he said. He said that the airstrikes and warplanes continued to prevent access to the area until the evening of August 27, that army units targeted and destroyed some of the detected devices with appropriate weapons, and that they were able to retrieve the bodies of the martyrs. Later, he said that Israeli warplanes carried out attacks on the area and that, during the continued intensive flights of reconnaissance aircraft, an air landing took place in the region."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1960820686387036201

 

[Lool]

We must take this drastic step at the right time, with the right move. The same mind that gathered 100,000 Arab tribes in one day will one day gather millions. We have not one trump card, but dozens, but when the time comes... We must first play the game of intellect with soft cards. Once we demonstrate our power, there's no need for a second.

The problem here is time
As @GoatsMilk said, Turkey should immediately move to unify the country; i-e, by destroying the SDF/PKK/YPG in order to unite the people so that all of Syria can resist Israel as a unified block

With every passing day, Israel places more radical elements in Syria to balkanise the area. From Suwaydah and the SDF to new administrations that demanded Autonomy for the Western regions of Syria such as Hama and Homs and advocated for fighting the true ancient enemies of the land which is "Turkey". Such a group was announced just yesterday FFS!

There is no time and Turkey needs to move ASAP since more divisions will translate to weaker foundations and eventually a new civil war in which all Syrians will be fighting as well as killing each other regardless of ethnicity, race, or religion. All of this will happen while jews laugh, drink their wine, and continue their Satanic acts of rape, genocide, and illegal occupation

 

[begturan]

The problem here is time
As @GoatsMilk said, Turkey should immediately move to unify the country; i-e, by destroying the SDF/PKK/YPG in order to unite the people so that all of Syria can resist Israel as a unified block

With every passing day, Israel places more radical elements in Syria to balkanise the area. From Suwaydah and the SDF to new administrations that demanded Autonomy for the Western regions of Syria such as Hama and Homs and advocated for fighting the true ancient enemies of the land which is "Turkey". Such a group was announced just yesterday FFS!

There is no time and Turkey needs to move ASAP since more divisions will translate to weaker foundations and eventually a new civil war in which all Syrians will be fighting as well as killing each other regardless of ethnicity, race, or religion. All of this will happen while jews laugh, drink their wine, and continue their Satanic acts of rape, genocide, and illegal occupation

When Turkey begins advancing northward, Israel threatens us with an advance from the south. These attacks are merely provocations. Damascus is one of the holy capitals for Muslim peoples. While all of humanity is already sufficiently angry at Israel's actions, Israel will refrain from attacking Damascus and making itself a target. Its current attacks are limited and provocative, seeking to justify itself by making us make mistakes.

The moment Israel turns on the people, the positions of the leaders it has bought will be shaken, and the resulting changes will seriously harm it. Because it cannot afford such a risk, we must continue to take steps in accordance with international law.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Juicy details regarding the recent Israeli attack on a tank training center near Damascus from the Syrian govt.
It just proves again, Assad was a pawn to Israel


Translation:
A government official speaking to Syria's official news agency SANA: "On August 26, during a field visit by army personnel near Cebel el-Manaa / Tel Mani in the south of Damascus, they discovered surveillance and listening devices and, while attempting to destroy them, were subjected to an Israeli airstrike, resulting in numerous martyrs and the vehicles becoming unusable, he said. He said that the airstrikes and warplanes continued to prevent access to the area until the evening of August 27, that army units targeted and destroyed some of the detected devices with appropriate weapons, and that they were able to retrieve the bodies of the martyrs. Later, he said that Israeli warplanes carried out attacks on the area and that, during the continued intensive flights of reconnaissance aircraft, an air landing took place in the region."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1960820686387036201

i said years ago on this forum that Turkiye should focus on the weak link in syria and that was russia. not that russia is weak but that between russia and america, the russians occupied regions were doable for Turkiye.

Now, its obvious to me as Isrealis look to balkanise and annex regions of southern syria, Turkiye must strike the PKK north and move in. If you break the pkk/kurdistan project in the north, it will make their moves in the south extremely costly in the long run. But if you they do nothing, then not only will syria balkanise, but the americans, isrealis will entrench directly in the pkk regions of northern syria and iraq, and one day they collectively will strike Turkish positions within Turkiye directly. Just like how they strike Syrian positions directly within Syria.

Just like the balkanisation of Iraq/federalisation of Iraq under American/Zionist ambitions was an affront to the sovereignty of Turkiye, what they are doing now in Syria is basically an open declaration of war against Turkiye.

If we put aside the fact the Turkish leadership is either incompetent or working for the enemy, the reality is that Turkish military industry is about 20 years away from where it needs to be. How you going to fight Isreal when not only is their airforce better, but your airforce is contingent on receiving parts from Isreals biggest backer the USA.

Unfortunately for Turkiye, our enemies know us better then we know ourselves. I don't think Muslims realise what's coming for them collectively. The balkanisation of the Ottomans was just phase 1.

 

[Barry]

Well islamists end up being the biggest traitors to any state they reside so yes

 

[Lool]

Breaking

Israel went full mental and stated that the surveillance equipment that Israel destroyed in an Assad-era military base in an area close to Israel and far far away from Turkey which was effectively used by radical shias loyal to Assad and Iran (i-e, has relations to Israel) was actually placed by Turkey 10 years ago

Israel reached a point where they cant come up with excuses anymore to justify their annexation or any future military operation that they are literally coming up with excuses out of their ass

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1961051092004839853

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1961059702030094769

 

[blackjack]

War is all drones and artillery, and I don't think Turkey donated all that to Ukraine. Even if they can't deal with Israel's air force they should be good in air defense and long-range missile production (which destroy air bases).
Either they dont think they could beat Israel militarily (only thing they got going for them is their air force) or see it as a waste of time if Russia starts another incursion since I heard they still have a base presence in Syria.

 

[Lool]

An interesting interview with Tom Barrack had been released


U.S. Ambassador to Ankara and Syria Special Representative Tom Barrack:
There are PKK and YPG in Syria. Right now, all three-letter groups hate me, so I'm staying away from them.

Everyone's first question is this: A Sunni, radical Nusra fighter became the president of one of the region's important countries. Do you trust him? Do you believe in him? Short answer: Yes, I trust him. Yes, I believe in him.

After World War II, we tried to become the guarantor of the world's security. We are no longer the guarantor of the world's security. Everyone has to defend their own rights.

In Israel's mind, these borders created by Sykes-Picot are meaningless. They will go wherever they want, whenever they want, and do whatever they want to protect Israelis. Şara doesn't trust Israel's intentions. No one trusts their intentions. So el-Şaraa is turning towards dialogue with Israel. So far, we've had two meetings, historic meetings. They hadn't spoken for 30 years. I must say, it blew my mind... The first meeting lasted three and a half hours. They were very good with each other, they didn't agree on everything but they were interacting in the first steps of body chemistry, let's see if we can reach a point where we agree on one or two issues? And they did. So el-Şaraa is bending and saying, "I have to appease all my neighbors."

I told Netanyahu to give Lebanon a little breathing room. You can't be so ruthless against everyone, you can't go wherever you want and do whatever you want. In the end, this will backfire. People are sometimes losing their lives because of borders that are 2 km or 4 km. Who cares? Iran has never been this weak. Trump and Israel put them in a tough spot. The B-2 bombing of Iran's nuclear facilities was just the beginning. If you want to mess with us, this is what's coming to you.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1961180207857205508

This interview clearly indicates that even the US knows at this point that Israel will continue to expand no matter what other people say

 

[begturan]

Breaking

Israel went full mental and stated that the surveillance equipment that Israel destroyed in an Assad-era military base in an area close to Israel and far far away from Turkey which was effectively used by radical shias loyal to Assad and Iran (i-e, has relations to Israel) was actually placed by Turkey 10 years ago

Israel reached a point where they cant come up with excuses anymore to justify their annexation or any future military operation that they are literally coming up with excuses out of their ass

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1961051092004839853

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1961059702030094769

Israel is confined to a very small area, its strategic bases and air force within our range from air, land, and sea, and if we strike them, there is nothing to stop us. While Israel struggles to keep its tail high, it will one day incur our wrath.

 

[AlperTunga]

Israel is confined to a very small area, its strategic bases and air force within our range from air, land, and sea, and if we strike them, there is nothing to stop us. While Israel struggles to keep its tail high, it will one day incur our wrath.

Without US help and Israel's nukes, we will prevail over Israel even if their air force is superior to us. Because we will eventually destroy their airports and runways, and then the war will switch to land and the sea where we have an advantage. But Israel will get substantial US help, and if we hurt them badly, they will use the nukes without hesitation. So we could at best get a pat situation with them in a full scale war. We should avoid this, but this doesnt mean we should back off in Syria. Rather we should insist on the north and don't hesitate to get into some controlled clashes with them in the north of Syria. This way we can stall the establishment of an independent PKK state there. Indeed, north Syria is even within our artillery range, how can they dream of a state there, we can bomb them at will, this will paralyze them. I don't think just because of this Israel will go to a full scale war with us.

 

[AlperTunga]

Also, now that I think about it, I realize nothing of significance has been achieved in terms of defence capabilities between 1950 and 2000, and maybe 2010. Also not much in terms of industry, technology, etc. They begun research in the nuclear area in 1960s but nothing came out of it. Amazing how much time we lost in the past due to incompetent people. We urgently need to develop the "bomb", otherwise our future is not certain. On the conventional weapon front we are doing very good now, with some gaps here and there but we'll be done in 10 years, provided it continues like the last 10 years or so.

 

[begturan]

Without US help and Israel's nukes, we will prevail over Israel even if their air force is superior to us. Because we will eventually destroy their airports and runways, and then the war will switch to land and the sea where we have an advantage. But Israel will get substantial US help, and if we hurt them badly, they will use the nukes without hesitation. So we could at best get a pat situation with them in a full scale war. We should avoid this, but this doesnt mean we should back off in Syria. Rather we should insist on the north and don't hesitate to get into some controlled clashes with them in the north of Syria. This way we can stall the establishment of an independent PKK state there. Indeed, north Syria is even within our artillery range, how can they dream of a state there, we can bomb them at will, this will paralyze them. I don't think just because of this Israel will go to a full scale war with us.

Israel simply keeps its tail high, trusting the US with its nuclear weapons, but I don't think the US would want to engage in such a war against Türkiye. Furthermore, Israel isn't certain that Türkiye has a nuclear weapon, which is disruptive. They're trying to force us to our knees with pressure, blackmail, and the influence of Zionism, but this won't change the fact that we will destroy the PKK.

They seriously fear that if we destroy the PKK, the Syrian state will become stronger and will no longer be under their control.

 

[begturan]

Also, now that I think about it, I realize nothing of significance has been achieved in terms of defence capabilities between 1950 and 2000, and maybe 2010. Also not much in terms of industry, technology, etc. They begun research in the nuclear area in 1960s but nothing came out of it. Amazing how much time we lost in the past due to incompetent people. We urgently need to develop the "bomb", otherwise our future is not certain. On the conventional weapon front we are doing very good now, with some gaps here and there but we'll be done in 10 years, provided it continues like the last 10 years or so.

It's almost impossible for Türkiye not to possess nuclear weapons. Even if we had nothing, if we decided to develop them today, we could achieve this capability within maximum five years. Let's not forget that when Pakistan attempted to develop a nuclear bomb, some of the technology and equipment was transferred to Pakistan through Turkey.

While developing MRBM class or perhaps ICBM class missiles, it is unthinkable that anyone would equip them with conventional warheads.

All things aside, when a GAZAP bomb is added to a HAYALET warhead that penetrates 90 meters of shelter, no shelter in the world can exist.

 

[blackjack]

I see Turkey as a wild card as in they are the type to pursue self-interests then interests of others and even if Russia is busy with Ukraine, Turkey is still around to cause Israel headaches.

Even if Iran is at the brink of collapsing which Israel wishes would happen, Turkey if given the chance would want those rich resources to which might make those 2 countries confront each other.
Anyone can correct me if I am wrong but Turkey from my viewpoint pursues self-interest and this is another example of it.

https://www.iletisim.gov.tr/english/haberler/detay/head-of-communications-durans-statement-on-president-erdogans-visit-to-china