TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Afif]

Concerning artilary shells we need them all

-Ordinary artilary shells with +150 m Cep
-artiiary shells with Basic guidance kits with 50 m Cep
-artilary shells with laser Guadiance kit with <10 m
-artilary shells with INS+GPS < 10 m

For last two guess they are not an easy task dont know tip of an artilary shell should be not the best spot to place delicate electronics and actuators for instance the initial velocity of Excalibur is 827 m/s

MKE is not the old MKE and has done excellent jobs recently but IMHO the last two types of artilary guidance systems are not their field

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MKE solution looks very similar to M1156 Precision Guidance Kit with exact CEP value of 50 m and it is safe to assume that MKE's PGK should be using GPS as well.

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https://ndiastorage.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/ndia/2008/fuze/VABurke.pdf

According to manufacturer (NG), the current CEP value of PGK is less than 30 meters. (Probably around 20-25 meters)

 

[Huelague]

I would just ask
What the hell is Ebabil ammunition technology. 105mm tank ammunition can't destroy 1x1x1 mcub concrete blocks but this waste the blocks.


Ebabil 57mm recoilless rifle ammunition could penetrate 2 concrete walls!

Put 6/8 recoilless gun onto unmanned ground vehicle, you would have tank destroyer with those crazy Ebabil ammunition!

What does it means for our barrels? Are they fit for this munition?

 

[Huelague]

Ebabil seems like a scam.

Why you think so?

 

[Sanchez]

Why you think so?

For one, only horrible quality publications and no name people from TRT made news about it and no defence industry media yet touched the subject with a 10 foot pole. And also it sounds dumb.

 

[boredaf]

For one, only horrible quality publications and no name people from TRT made news about it and no defence industry media yet touched the subject with a 10 foot pole. And also it sounds dumb.

And they don't actually explain anything about it, they just keep repeating the same lines about how it improves a munitions speed and kinetic energy.

 

[Sanchez]

When it comes to physics, if it sounds to good to be true, it is probably few guys just trying to get some money to build an autonomous sea mine just to make a nonsense taser gun few years later. What happened to WATTOZ anyway.

"Orders from 60 countries!". Welp, their website is gone.

 

[UkroTurk]

What does it means for our barrels? Are they fit for this munition?

I don't know how the company making this Ebabil ammunition. İf they just use tungsten bullets, i can understand it.

Every pistol can fire -armour piercing -steel tungsten bullets if they have copper jacket. Copper is soft and under high temperature and pressure copper jacket helps.


But if you fire tungsten bullets without jacket , they would f...k the Barrel!


On the other hand if they use different type of discharge/ propeller, absolutely it is dangerous for ordinary guns mechanism including tank guns.


İ am not a Scientist, sorry for my ignorance.

Here is the link of company

HCARGE- Home

hcarge.com

 

[Zafer]

Seems to me that Ebabil is a screw-shaped bullet that pierces by screwing hard.

EDIT: I was talking from what I saw in a blurry video but seems like powder charge is standard, bullet case is standard and the trick is in the bullet itself. The pistol test shows roughly twice the speed but the tip is pointy. There seems to be no special or unusual shape either. There is some black magic, but if it works it works and it is good that it can keep a secret.

 

[TheInsider]

Why you think so?

You can't just magically double the speed of a NATO standard 9mm bullet. Optimized geometry can't explain the extra speed the bullet gains. This probably is a bullet with more gunpowder. It makes gun barrels go kaput. This is why there is a NATO standard.

https://hcarge.com/vid/ebabil.mp4

 

[Heartbang]

Seems to me that Ebabil is a screw-shaped bullet that pierces by screwing hard.

Giggity?

 

[AzeriTank]

You can't just magically double the speed of a NATO standard 9mm bullet. Optimized geometry can't explain the extra speed the bullet gains. This probably is a bullet with more gunpowder. It makes gun barrels go kaput. This is why there is a NATO standard.

https://hcarge.com/vid/ebabil.mp4

I know its funny but did you see cv90 in Ukraine that was captured by Russia? Something went through its armor and kill the commander inside. I thought Turkey might tested this bullet there. Both news came almost the same or a day difference. CV 90 has the 6 th level prptection which means against 30mm all around, and how can rpg go through it? I think they might use it to learn if something new

 

[Afif]

I know its funny but did you see cv90 in Ukraine that was captured by Russia? Something went through its armor and kill the commander inside. I thought Turkey might tested this bullet there. Both news came almost the same or a day difference.

Are you implying Turkey gave Russia the 'magic silver bullet' and then they used it on Ukrianian CV-90?

 

[AzeriTank]

Are you implying Turkey gave Russia the 'magic silver bullet' and then they used it on Ukrianian CV-90?

I also find it funny, but its still misterious for me how it happened with cv90. These things happens i guess between intelligence, may be its too much but just an option
Also about Watoz, cant it be that the army doesnt want to show it? Because if ots real its a strategic asset. Or im too positive today?)

 

[boredaf]

I also find it funny, but its still misterious for me how it happened with cv90. These things happens i guess between intelligence, may be its too much but just an option
Also about Watoz, cant it be that the army doesnt want to show it? Because if ots real its a strategic asset. Or im too positive today?)

Turkey would rather give that to Ukraine than Russia.

 

[UkroTurk]

I know its funny but did you see cv90 in Ukraine that was captured by Russia? Something went through its armor and kill the commander inside. I thought Turkey might tested this bullet there. Both news came almost the same or a day difference. CV 90 has the 6 th level prptection which means against 30mm all around, and how can rpg go through it? I think they might use it to learn if something new

Don't trust Russian videos.

 

[AzeriTank]

Don't trust Russian videos.

Im the last one that trust Russians, but it was shared without comment, but the damage was very weird, not bi explotion, and the hole in front of cv90, where it should have the highest protection

 

[Heartbang]

I know its funny but did you see cv90 in Ukraine that was captured by Russia? Something went through its armor and kill the commander inside. I thought Turkey might tested this bullet there. Both news came almost the same or a day difference. CV 90 has the 6 th level prptection which means against 30mm all around, and how can rpg go through it? I think they might use it to learn if something new

Im the last one that trust Russians, but it was shared without comment, but the damage was very weird, not bi explotion, and the hole in front of cv90, where it should have the highest protection

Must be the main gun of the BMP-1 or BMP-3.

 

[Quasar]

100% Range Increase in MAM-L!

- A new version of the MAM-L ammunition, which is known as the claw of Turkish SİHAs and has been produced in thousands so far, has been developed.

- Roketsan integrated Imaging Infrared (IIR) Seeker into MAM-L.

- In this way, the range of the MAM-L ammunition was increased by approximately 100% and reached 25 kilometers.

- On the other hand, MAM-L ammunition, which was difficult to use in foggy weather before, can now be used in all weather conditions thanks to the IIR seeker head.

- Thanks to the IIR Head, the man-in-the-loop capability has also been added to the MAM-L. Thus, the MAM-L will be able to hit its targets more precisely than ever before

- In addition, UAVs will no longer have to constantly laser mark targets to be hit with MAM-L.

(-I belive another major advantage is because of the IIR seeker head any laser warning reciver on an enmy tank is no longer a problem, it will have no idea it is under attack)

the existing MAM-L with Laser Seeker will continue to be used due to cost advantages.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1688206640984514560

 

[Era_shield]

I would just ask
What the hell is Ebabil ammunition technology. 105mm tank ammunition can't destroy 1x1x1 mcub concrete blocks but this waste the blocks.


Ebabil 57mm recoilless rifle ammunition could penetrate 2 concrete walls!

Put 6/8 recoilless gun onto unmanned ground vehicle, you would have tank destroyer with those crazy Ebabil ammunition!

They are really vague about what Ebabil tech even is but in the video they claim it can increase 155mm shell muzzle velocity to 3000m/s, which is insanely high. My guess is 50/50 it's a scam. Their idea about the 360 degree target practice room with the self-repairing walls is good though.

 

[Yasar_TR]

3000m/sec muzzle velocity means almost 9 Mach.
BAE’s Hyper Velocity Projectile project achieves close to this sort of speeds with 127mm and 155mm rounds with precision guidance. They use specially designed projectiles with extra low drag.
Short of electromagnetic propulsion/rail gun , it is not possible with current tech to achieve this sort of muzzle velocities. BAE achieve 5+Mach muzzle velocities with low resistance aerodynamic shell designs. There are attempts with shells that contain ramjets to achieve high speeds.
Unless the makers of “ebabil” come up with how they achieved such high muzzle velocities, they will be met with scepticism and their discovery being treated as hoax. Also they need to show the firing of such rounds rather than final result.
Such high muzzle velocities can have an incredible detrimental effect on gun barrels.
The HC-ARGE has to provide answers to these questions before they can have credibility in what they are claiming they discovered.