TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Kaan Azman]

Yeah, Murat İkinci said it himself. I guess it is intended for CENK MRBM launcher in a trailer configuration

 

[blackjack]

You guys are advancing too fast, if my hunch is right this missile will progress to a 2 stage rocket with twice the length and 100km range to track and hit armored vehicles with its own seeker warheads at Mach 3+ speeds as a MLRS system next.

These missiles will than overcome adversary air defenses and even destroy tanks with the current best modern hard kill APS systems.

 

[Heartbang]

Yeah, Murat İkinci said it himself. I guess it is intended for CENK MRBM launcher in a trailer configuration

@Huelague 50 ton is in mobile ICBM/SLBM weight bracket. They be buliding Topols.

 

[Kaan Azman]

50 ton is near the weight of ICBM itself, not counting launcher components. CENK is more possible as the missile seems to be near completion or already completed

 

[Heartbang]

50 ton is near the weight of ICBM itself, not counting launcher components. CENK is more possible as the missile seems to be near completion or already completed

Launcher components are chump change, compared to the rest of the payload. If they manage to handle 50 tons, what's holding them back to put another 400-500 kilos on top of it?

 

[TheInsider]

50 tons carry capacity is an overkill for an MRBM and not enough for an ICBM.

 

[Zafer]

Probably, a fast turnaround space rocket can use a truck for a ride to a launchpad.

 

[Kaan Azman]

50 tons carry capacity is an overkill for an MRBM and not enough for an ICBM.

You kinda said it yourself, not an MRBM but 2 MRBMs. This configuration doesn't look like 1 CENK per launcher but 2.

Anyone familiar with engineering matters knows that loading things near their limit constantly isn't a good idea in the long run. I guess 50 ton vehicle will probably carry 2 CENK missiles those greatly surpass the capacity of anything below but still leaves a comfortable space on 50 ton vehicle so that there won't be much excess strain.

 

[Huelague]

Yeah, Murat İkinci said it himself. I guess it is intended for CENK MRBM launcher in a trailer configuration

Medium or maybe a LRBM.

 

[Afif]

LRBM? Tbh, i am reading the term for the first time.

Anyway, Shooting conventional BM beyond 3000km is usually not practical. (Unless, there is specific context. Like for example, Indo-Pasific theater.)

 

[TheInsider]

High-accuracy MIRV warheads might make conventional long-range ballistic missile strikes cost-effective. Lets assume your ballistic missile costs 10 million $ and carry 5 MIRV warhead. It means the cost per engagement is 2 million $. It is still expensive but it is acceptable for such a capability.

 

[Afif]

I am not aware of any high accuracy MIRV that can be practical with conventional warhead.

As far as I know the most accurate MIRV is that on top of the UGM-133 Trident ii with a CEP of 100 meter.
Either you need MARV. (And I am pretty much sure, 4/5 of them cannot be fitted on theater balistic missiles. Becuase, they are bigger and wider than a simple MIRV due to the control surfaces and seeker head) Or HGV to justify such investment.

 

[BaburKhan]

Which Sense would it make for Turkey to have IRBM ballistic Missiles ? Turkey does not have nuclear Weapons.

Could Cenk be useful as ASBM, like the chinese have ?

 

[TheInsider]

I am not aware of any high accuracy MIRV that can be practical with conventional warhead.

As far as I know the most accurate MIRV is that on top of the UGM-133 Trident ii with a CEP of 100 meter.
Either you need MARV. (And I am pretty much sure, 4/5 of them cannot be fitted on theater balistic missiles. Becuase, they are bigger and wider than a simple MIRV due to the control surfaces and seeker head) Or HGV to justify such investment.

Time flows and technology advances my friend. Just because there is none up to this day doesn't mean there won't be one in the future.

 

[Anmdt]

Yeah, Murat İkinci said it himself. I guess it is intended for CENK MRBM launcher in a trailer configuration

Ikinci also has told about land based MIDLAS in earlier days. Which, in a full loaded condition, also falls within reasonable loading limits of a 50 tons carrier.

 

[Afif]

Ikinci also has told about land based MIDLAS in earlier days. Which, in a full loaded condition, also falls within reasonable loading limits of a 50 tons carrier.

four cells?

 

[Anmdt]

four cells?

8 cells module in fully loaded condition is ~40 tons. (ceiled the numbers)

But since an erecting mechanism will be needed (additional weight), 4 cells make more sense.

 

[Afif]

When it comes to Chenk, I am equally enthusiastic about its doctrinal application and force design as much as the missile system itself.

Because usually, if it is around 500km ranged system (in quasi ballistic trajectory) like Iskander and Tayfun you can call it 'very long range rocket artillery' (directly effecting Land domain of operation deep into enemy's strategic support area) and relatively easily integrate such system into existing army structure.

However, if it goes far beyond that, (1000km and beyond) it is relevant to have an adequate force design along with technical capabilities of the weapon system itself. Even US army and Marine corps started to experience with these new concepts relatively recently. (And there is already some Disagreement with USAF)

Türkiye would be the second country within NATO to field such long range conventional missiles system. Thus, as I stated above, it would be quite interesting to know how they are gonna integrate Chenk into the overall force structure (because even if it enters service with one branch, a system of its calibre is a joint asset) and what would be TAF's operational approach to its use on the battlefield.

Ultimately, will make sense for Türkiye to create separate Rocket force like PLA in the long run?

 

[Kaan Azman]

I should probably make a DERMAN with trailer hehe. First with CENK and later with Land MİDLAS

 

[Kaan Azman]

Step 1: Screw making a 8x8 platform that is roughly doing the same job when I already have Seyit to save time
Step 2: Made some representative blocks for CENK and MİDLAS size to decide how should the trailer look like. It will most likely be Quad for MİDLAS because the balance will be screwed with 8x

That's gonna be a very long trailer