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our uav family is not stealth so during war time their help would be limited due probabale huge loses but if we continue to support them by electronic warfare from enemy radars from land- koral or from ships like ufuk or from another electronic attack uavs it would be game cahanger until we make it stealth variants
 

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Whoever has written this; i suggest him to have a look a carrier strike group to understand why the carrier is unattackable, it is not the airplanes with some radars.
Very true! But at the same time you can not push aside the protection and deep strike capability a plane like f35B would have added to the carrier strike group.
But as you have clearly pointed out planes like this are only a small portion of the whole carrier group super-structure. With at least 2 destroyers, 2 frigates with AD and ASW capabilities and 2 Reis Class submarines. Never mind the actual defensive capability of the carrier itself. Plus other smaller support ships. The Cafrad with GaN Aesa technology on destroyers alone will be a behemoth of a radar in it’s own right. With a layered defence structure not much will filter through the net. We are talking about a steel dome around the carrier group.
TB3s, MIUS and Helicopters will add to the strike and defensive posture of the group as well.
 

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He is right
it is a landing craft, not an attack ship. also, that ship will not sail alone on the open sea. there will be its around accompanying defense/attack ships . those defense/attack ships will have high-altitude air defense missiles. ..and defense/attack systems we don't know yet.. perhaps very advanced electronic warfare weapons.. etc..


a short note: (i think there is propaganda about our purchase of foreign warplanes in some forums/press these days.)
 

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Very true! But at the same time you can not push aside the protection and deep strike capability a plane like f35B would have added to the carrier strike group.
But as you have clearly pointed out planes like this are only a small portion of the whole carrier group super-structure. With at least 2 destroyers, 2 frigates with AD and ASW capabilities and 2 Reis Class submarines. Never mind the actual defensive capability of the carrier itself. Plus other smaller support ships. The Cafrad with GaN Aesa technology on destroyers alone will be a behemoth of a radar in it’s own right. With a layered defence structure not much will filter through the net. We are talking about a steel dome around the carrier group.
TB3s, MIUS and Helicopters will add to the strike and defensive posture of the group as well.
Never forget the power of network enabled warfare, this will bring flotilla defence to a whole new level with unmanned systems. I really hoped Anadolu to be equipped with CAFRAD CFR module in a distributed manner, to make the platform future proof to support taking off and landing without need of additional radars especially for the UAVs, and to be exercised for Trakya. Yet they are still going only with Smart-S. Maybe in Trakya then.
 

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Never forget the power of network enabled warfare, this will bring flotilla defence to a whole new level with unmanned systems. I really hoped Anadolu to be equipped with CAFRAD CFR module in a distributed manner, to make the platform future proof to support taking off and landing without need of additional radars especially for the UAVs, and to be exercised for Trakya. Yet they are still going only with Smart-S. Maybe in Trakya then.
I think I'll have to open a parenthesis here. Air defense ships cannot make air defenses on their own. There is no chance of battle vessels in cases where the 40 fighter plane attacks a carrier group with the "package bombartment".
I'm listened in personallyI to Major @Tayfunozberk who participated in NATO drills.
 

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We can mobilise our F-16s with the KCR-135 planes but for how long?
I think I'll have to open a parenthesis here. Air defense ships cannot make air defenses on their own. There is no chance of battle vessels in cases where the 40 fighter plane attacks a carrier group with the "package bombartment".
I'm listened in personallyI to Major @Tayfunozberk who participated in NATO drills.
 

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Im still sad about the F-35Bs not gonna lie :(
Well yes and no.

Yes on the part that F35 is really advanced fighter jet (although it still has a number of issues to be solved), but everything is instantly negated by the plane being an open book for the US. They can access even the mission computer. Do we really want that, can we really trust the USA in case of battle? I have my sincere doubts.
 

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I think I'll have to open a parenthesis here. Air defense ships cannot make air defenses on their own. There is no chance of battle vessels in cases where the 40 fighter plane attacks a carrier group with the "package bombartment".
I'm listened in personallyI to Major @Tayfunozberk who participated in NATO drills.
So 2 cruisers and 2 destroyers can not protect a flotilla against 40 aircrafts but 6-10 aircraft to take off from a carrier may change the course of the defenses? It worths to note this entirely depends on the operation itself, how advanced the adversary is as well.

I am not implying that aircrafts will never be used, if it is a hot region and weak-blind spots deep in land allowing enemy to plan attacks on the carrier they will ofcourse keep a squadron and at least an AWACS in the air yet this is not sustainable that can be kept for months (sustainable for the AWACS because it has longer endurance). But air defense / self defense is the duty of the CSG, not the airplanes on the carrier.

And plus, the enemies of US already relies on long range ballistic or cruise missiles to attack the CSG. For our case, i don't think neither aircrafts on Anadolu will make a slight difference for the air-defenses, nor 1 TF2000 and 2 I-Class will be able to intercept 40 aircrafts or 80-90 stand-off missiles to be fired from those by 90% and above, if approaching from a blind spot of the inlands. Operating such a force far from the mainland also heavily relies on intelligence (by all means), monitoring and logistics, the enemy may also attack with 100 5th gen aircraft equipped with hypersonic missiles and that then definitely requires use of fighters to intercept, which eventually makes the intelligence most important factor to get the warning and warm up the fighters and dispatch at least 60 of them a process that will take up to 40 minutes, thus the inteligence becomes the most prominent factor even more than the firepower you bring to there, or how advanced your radar or missiles are.

So if we come down to some survival scenarios, again the winner will be the intelligence, awareness, logistics (maintenance) in all.
 

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They should also show Alpagu block II or larger blocks with the UAVs. Firing SAL guidance missiles is something, firing TV-guided smart kamikaze drones is another.
I think there was a promotional video about by SSB, yet kamikaze drones are not shown in the payload of the Akıncı.
One smart pod may release 10 of Albagu, the range can dramatically increase by using glide and boost, yet still will weight less than MAM-T; compromising the intensified warhead power but increasing efficiency on distributed targets.

 

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So 2 cruisers and 2 destroyers can not protect a flotilla against 40 aircrafts but 6-10 aircraft to take off from a carrier may change the course of the defenses? It worths to note this entirely depends on the operation itself, how advanced the adversary is as well.

I am not implying that aircrafts will never be used, if it is a hot region and weak-blind spots deep in land allowing enemy to plan attacks on the carrier they will ofcourse keep a squadron and at least an AWACS in the air yet this is not sustainable that can be kept for months (sustainable for the AWACS because it has longer endurance). But air defense / self defense is the duty of the CSG, not the airplanes on the carrier.

And plus, the enemies of US already relies on long range ballistic or cruise missiles to attack the CSG. For our case, i don't think neither aircrafts on Anadolu will make a slight difference for the air-defenses, nor 1 TF2000 and 2 I-Class will be able to intercept 40 aircrafts or 80-90 stand-off missiles to be fired from those by 90% and above, if approaching from a blind spot of the inlands. Operating such a force far from the mainland also heavily relies on intelligence (by all means), monitoring and logistics, the enemy may also attack with 100 5th gen aircraft equipped with hypersonic missiles and that then definitely requires use of fighters to intercept, which eventually makes the intelligence most important factor to get the warning and warm up the fighters and dispatch at least 60 of them a process that will take up to 40 minutes, thus the inteligence becomes the most prominent factor even more than the firepower you bring to there, or how advanced your radar or missiles are.

So if we come down to some survival scenarios, again the winner will be the intelligence, awareness, logistics (maintenance) in all.
I just think the aircraft carrier task force must carry 100 aircraft from at least. If we are talking about the blue water navy here this is necessary. I don't think that for the internal seas for that it would be not problem.

Other than that, I agree with what you said.
 

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Well yes and no.

Yes on the part that F35 is really advanced fighter jet (although it still has a number of issues to be solved), but everything is instantly negated by the plane being an open book for the US. They can access even the mission computer. Do we really want that, can we really trust the USA in case of battle? I have my sincere doubts.
They said the same about F16 but we are using them without a problem lets not act like kedi ulaşamadığı ete mındar dermiş mentality
 

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I dont think we will never see a turkish jet in libya
Ga-mal hm there is a frigatr fleet just next to libya and cargo planes are going in and out everyday If we sent out jets to wattiya what can egypt do cry to french or call allah to their help?
 
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They said the same about F16 but we are using them without a problem lets not act like kedi ulaşamadığı ete mındar dermiş mentality
America would not ever give turkey the source codes of f35 like it did with f16 block 30
 
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