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[AlperTunga]

There's no point to do all that without a carrier on top.

Tepe Class is built around the radar suite. It was a 6500 ton ship 5-7 years ago with 48-64 cells. It grew more in size due to navy requirements. In a hot war 48 cells will be enough for a single engagement, they will burn through munitions like candy. I'd think in its current form Tepe is already the smallest it can be given what's asked from it; completely handling theater air defence duties. It needs to be able to defend itself from ASMs, aircraft, drones, other munitions and dish out the same damage. In a world where premier navies in SEA and even Italy is now working on 10000 ton destroyers, it might even fall small 10 years later.

Ships like Tepe and even Mugem are what navy asked for over 20 years. 10 years later, they will ask for an SSN. Turkish navy sees itself as a middle power navy with blue sea aspirations and tasks. Like Italians, like Russians.

Well, 10 years later is too late for SSN. They should have asked for it at least 10 years back. You can keep up with the speed and follow an enemy aircraft carrier with nuclear driven submarine, which is a real deterrence. Hence, we should have been producing these things even without any aim to have our own carrier.

Just as a reminder: the first SSN was built by France in 1983, and by Britain in 1963 !!! Okay, Britain at the time was little away from the old and glorious british empire so let them do it. But why are we more than 50 years (even 60 years if we consider 2043) behind France?? That means we have been sleeping as usual....

 

[Turkic]

Even Hitler who obsessed with dimensions knew aircraft carrier was unnecessary. Nazis didn't use aircraft carriers why?

Graf Zeppelin?

 

[boredaf]

Well, 10 years later is too late for SSN. They should have asked for it at least 10 years back. You can keep up with the speed and follow an enemy aircraft carrier with nuclear driven submarine, which is a real deterrence. Hence, we should have been producing these things even without any aim to have our own carrier.

Just as a reminder: the first SSN was built by France in 1983, and by Britain in 1963 !!! Okay, Britain at the time was little away from the old and glorious british empire so let them do it. But why are we more than 50 years (even 60 years if we consider 2043) behind France?? That means we have been sleeping as usual....

Or, real world is not a computer game or the perfect world of "on paper" and we weren't as advanced in a economical and technological sense and it was quite literally unthinkable for us to have a nuclear submarine given the fact that we didn't even have a nuclear power plant.
It had nothing to do with being asleep, logic and reason doesn't work like that.

What the hell are they teaching in school nowadays???

Why ask for less instead of more, I never get it.

Because some people live in the real world, not in a computer game where all you have to do is click on a small icon.

 

[Sanchez]

Well, 10 years later is too late for SSN. They should have asked for it at least 10 years back. You can keep up with the speed and follow an enemy aircraft carrier with nuclear driven submarine, which is a real deterrence. Hence, we should have been producing these things even without any aim to have our own carrier.

Just as a reminder: the first SSN was built by France in 1983, and by Britain in 1963 !!! Okay, Britain at the time was little away from the old and glorious british empire so let them do it. But why are we more than 50 years (even 60 years if we consider 2043) behind France?? That means we have been sleeping as usual....

Navy has been studying SSNs for a decade and have been writing about them openly for 3-4 years. Nükden was presented last year.

You're aware that France!! is a UN security council permanent member and a nuclear triad owner for about 60 years, right?

 

[Ripley]

Navy has been studying SSNs for a decade and have been writing about them openly for 3-4 years. Nükden was presented last year.

You're aware that France!! is a UN security council permanent member and a nuclear triad owner for about 60 years, right?

Below is a contemporary map of French Overseas Territories.
Not a map of French bases over the globe.
Not a map of French Colonial possessions from the turn of the 20th Century.

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_France

 

[Ripley]

Graf Zeppelin?

Never fully completed. All the material allocated was channeled to other projects during mid-war.

 

[Turkic]

Never fully completed. All the material allocated was channeled to other projects during mid-war.

But not that they didn't want to have an aircraft carrier, right? I'm not saying it was logical for the Nazis to have one, but they intended to.