Results of the Gaza war

[TR_123456]

A simple one. They are humans.

So,the world sees them equal to Ukrainians?

 

[500]

The result of so called "war" : war crimes won't be punished.

50000 civilian were slaughtered.

What a war!!!

Per my estimates (based on solid non Israeli data) the number of civilian deaths is much lower.

In Korean war 2 MILLION civilians were killed (mostly by UN forces by the way). Yet everyone calls it a war.

 

[UkroTurk]

Per my estimates (based on solid non Israeli data) the number of civilian deaths is much lower.

In Korean war 2 MILLION civilians were killed (mostly by UN forces by the way). Yet everyone calls it a war.

Please don't do it. You used to have common sense. What's happened to you?

Korean War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

in Korean war casualties of two side were equal. Both sides lost 1 million people!!
There were two armies! Both had international support.

Not like in Gaza war!!! If Israeli civilian casualties had been 50000 people, today you could compare it with Korean war.
What happened in Gaza was a man slaughter.

 

[Yasar_TR]

disagree. Without “boots on the ground” and raising your flag on it, you can’t say, I have won the war, because I have air superiority.

You are free to disagree.
But I too am free to say that Israel won the air war against Iran. Iran had no answers against Israel’s air dominance. Israel managed to intercept majority of Iran’s missiles. The ones that got through, hardly made an impression.

Had there been an all out war including ground forces , Iran would have been helpless, just like Armenians were in Karabagh. They had no top brass left. Their AD systems were put out of commission. Their ballistic missile sites were being eliminated one by one, which was reflected in the diminishing number of missiles fired against Israel towards the end of the conflict. They were at the mercy of Israeli airforce. It was a pitiful situation for the Iranian military having to only watch Israeli planes to come to Tehran and bomb any sites they chose; and be in a helpless spectator position.

 

[Huelague]

Per my estimates (based on solid non Israeli data) the number of civilian deaths is much lower.

What about the dead’s under the debris ?

 

[Huelague]

You are free to disagree.
But I too am free to say that Israel won the air war against Iran. Iran had no answers against Israel’s air dominance. Israel managed to intercept majority of Iran’s missiles. The ones that got through, hardly made an impression.

Had there been an all out war including ground forces , Iran would have been helpless, just like Armenians were in Karabagh. They had no top brass left. Their AD systems were put out of commission. Their ballistic missile sites were being eliminated one by one, which was reflected in the diminishing number of missiles fired against Israel towards the end of the conflict. They were at the mercy of Israeli airforce. It was a pitiful situation for the Iranian military having to only watch Israeli planes to come to Tehran and bomb any sites they chose; and be in a helpless spectator position.

You underestimate Irans firepower and overestimate Israel’s geography.
Even Israel’s formidable Air Force need a place to land and refueled. Israel is damn poor on resources.

Once the AD of Israel was destroyed they were not able to replace them quickly. About the interception of Iranian missiles, don’t forget that many were intercepted by foreign powers.

 

[Huelague]

So,the world sees them equal to Ukrainians?

Absolutely not!
Depends on who you mean with “the world”. I guess European support them because they hate Arabs and Muslims At all.

 

[Perun]

Are you serious or just joking?
If you are serious then explain,why not?

What did they achive?

 

[begturan]

Where were the Israeli special forces throughout the war? They were the only force capable of fighting against Hamas, but they chose to hide throughout the war, and Palestinian fighters found and destroyed them!

They hid inside tanks, damaging civilian settlements, bombing civilians from the air, starving innocent people, and raping and torturing captured prisoners! We witnessed the terrorism of a force worse than ISIS.

There was no war, only oppression and genocide!

It is the duty of all humanity to enforce the dysfunctional international law and ensure that the perpetrators are punished in the most severe way.

 

[500]

Please don't do it. You used to have common sense. What's happened to you?

Korean War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

in Korean war casualties of two side were equal. Both sides lost 1 million people!!
There were two armies! Both had international support.

Not like in Gaza war!!! If Israeli civilian casualties had been 50000 people, today you could compare it with Korean war.
What happened in Gaza was a man slaughter.

How many US civilians died in Korean war? - None.
How many UK civilians died in Korean war? - None.
How many Korean civilians died in Korean war? - nearly 2 million.

Yet everyone calls it a war.

 

[UkroTurk]

How many US civilians died in Korean war? - None.
How many UK civilians died in Korean war? - None.
How many Korean civilians died in Korean war? - nearly 2 million.

Yet everyone calls it a war.

BS . in Gaza, Israel itself massacred civilians without foreign countries.

In Gaza , there was not war, it was antiterrorism special operation of Israel Defense Forces.

If you want to see a war , come to Ukraine!


"War"!!??
-Ok it was a war.
War crimes?

+But in Korea 2 million civilians killed.

-Bla bla bla
+ Bla bla bla

Poor children of Gaza.

 

[500]

Please don't do it.

Per MSF poll there are 0.41 dead per 10,000 per day in Gaza during the war (both natural and war related deaths)

https://www.msf.org/survey-finds-high-mortality-rate-among-msf-staff-and-families-gaza

That gives about 62.8 K total deaths, both war related and natural.

They say that 3/4 deaths are war related. That means 15.7 are natural and 47.1 K war related deaths.

Most probably they exaggerate war related death. Because 16 K was natural mortality before the war. Since conditions worsened natural mortality supposed to grow.

So most probably total war related deaths in 2 years is about 40 K. Which include Hamas and other militants + friendly fire.

Now lets check the casualty breakdown. Usually we are told that mostly women and children killed. But this statistics from the Palestinians themselves clearly destroys it:

Clearly the overwhelming majority of killed are men.

Finally about children. MSF says that under 5 mortality level is 0.7 per 10,000 per day (both natural and war related). Thats bad.

But u know what's under 5 mortality level per day per 10,000 in Pakistan? - Its 0.65. Pakistan natural child mortality level is almost same as in Gaza during the war.

And Gaza number includes killed child soldiers.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Per my estimates (based on solid non Israeli data) the number of civilian deaths is much lower.

In Korean war 2 MILLION civilians were killed (mostly by UN forces by the way). Yet everyone calls it a war.

No shame!

 

[Yasar_TR]

You underestimate Irans firepower and overestimate Israel’s geography.
Even Israel’s formidable Air Force need a place to land and refueled. Israel is damn poor on resources.

What firepower? We all saw how inaccurate their ballistic missiles were. Their military has no effective strike capability.

In 1967 and in 1973 we saw how heavily armed Arabs with total population of 45million and 60million respectively were decimated by an Israel made up of of 2.7 million Jews. So called geographical depth did not play much of a role in those two conflicts, in spite of the fact that the total aircraft and tank numbers of the Arabs outnumbered the Israelis’ by a good margin.
Of course Israel means USA. That is the main operative factor in these conflicts.

Once the AD of Israel was destroyed they were not able to replace them quickly. About the interception of Iranian missiles, don’t forget that many were intercepted by foreign powers.

When did that happen? Israel’s AD systems were always operational. No Iranian missile caused any significant damage to the Israeli AD system. They may have run out of certain missiles during the conflict. But their big brother US were there to take the slack.

If you were arguing about the sustainability of such a conflict then it is a different story.
Not even USA can sustain a war whereby using million dollar missiles to shoot down 50 thousand dollar drones.
This conflict once again showed us the very fact that air superiority is the name of the game. Without it you are just sitting ducks.
It also showed us how hollow the Iranian military is and is void of a backbone. All they could do was empty talk.

 

[Perun]

@TR_123456 @MaciekRS I am glad that you are enjoying but you didnt answer what did Israeli regime achived

 

[TR_123456]

@TR_123456 @MaciekRS I am glad that you are enjoying but you didnt answer what did Israeli regime achived

Israel humiliated Iran an Hezbollah.
Just read the posts of @Yasar_TR abi (posts 17,24 and 34) on this thread.

 

[Iskander]

It appears the war isn't over yet. The ayatollahs aren't negotiating. It's reported that approximately 400 kg of enriched uranium remains under the rubble. Netanyahu stated that if the Iranians attempt to access the uranium, bombings will follow.
And the US will undoubtedly support Israel.

The Israeli Air Force conducted a virtually perfect and highly successful air campaign. It wasn't about air superiority, but about complete control over a certain part of Iran, captured in just 36 hours. Iran was surprisingly defenseless and helpless. Iran appears to have no intelligence or counterintelligence.
Just a few months before this war, Israeli fighter jets, escorted by tanker aircraft, bombed Yemen. The ability of Israeli fighters to conduct operations far from their bases has long been known.
Okay, so Israeli fifth-generation fighters are invisible to Iranian radar. Well, on the ground, they are, how can I put it, quite visible and tangible. Where did they fly, where did they land?
300 fighter jets—it's not like looking for needles in a haystack.

Under the last Shah, Iran developed at an incredible pace, but over the past 45 years, the ayatollahs have brought the country to the brink of collapse.
Instead of sitting in mosques and living on public donations, the ayatollahs have taken control of all state institutions, and now the Iranians themselves depend on their handouts. That's the absurdity of the situation in Iran.
The Iranians have long been tired of this gang's rule.

Israel has a superpower behind it. They could turn Iran into another Syria.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Israel has a superpower behind it. They could turn Iran into another Syria.

when they do i just hope Turkiye doesnt take in millions of iranian refugees. These guys will come in crying and begging but in the long run turn into another enemy within. We made this mistake with Iraq not so long ago.