MMU rollout ceremony will be held in April, i thought it was 18th of March ?
Also Modernized Su-25s of Georgia ?
They changed it as they would rather have TF-X roll-out with its own power in April rather than being pulled by a tractor in March.
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MMU rollout ceremony will be held in April, i thought it was 18th of March ?
Also Modernized Su-25s of Georgia ?
This means that TF-X empty airframe is lighter than F-22s, considering that TF-X is bigger than F-22, this is really impressive. Congrats to TAIView attachment 54502
The contracts for the Detail Design and Clarification Phase, which is planned to be completed by the last quarter of 2028, are expected to be signed at the DSEI 2023 fair to be held in England in September, when the CDR process of the Block 10 aircraft will be completed. It is anticipated that the Detail Design and Clarification Phase and IOC/FOC will cost approximately $7.3 billion, with an additional $14 billion required for mass production of the 5th generation MMU/TF-X warplanes. While the unit cost for prototype aircraft is estimated at 120 million dollars, it is estimated that mass production TF-X aircraft will cost 80 million dollars.
The materials used in the under structure of the MMU/TF-X aircraft are as follows:
-Forward Fuselage: 7050 T7451 aluminum alloy
-Forward-mid Fuselage: 7050 T7451 aluminum alloy. It is 5 meters wide, 4.2 meters long and 2.2 meters high, with a structural weight of 1470 kilograms.
-Wing Module System: Titanium. This section of the fuselage of the MMU/TF-X aircraft was built vertically and manufactured in one piece with the wings. Total weight of the structure is 2125 kilograms.
-Aft Fuselage System: Titanium. Its total weight is 3945 kilograms.
In the MMU/TF-X aircraft, composite materials, namely UD, Uni-Directional epoxy resin impregnated Carbon Prepreg is used as the Body Shell. The design of the monolithic air intakes of the aircraft, which is made of composite materials using the hand layup method, features an S-duct geometry. It starts from the front body and extends to the rear engine section, 6 on the left and right, a total of 12. There are two Horizontal Stabilizers on the aircraft. A single one of these control surfaces is as large as the wing of an F-16. It is 2.9 meters wide, 4.1 meters long, 0.4 meters high, and weighs 235 kilograms.
In the information sharing about the MMU/TF-X GTU/P0 prototype, it was stated that they do not have any definitive data on the size and weight of the aircraft, because the figures supposedly emerged as the design got finalized and the domestic subsystems used in the aircraft were delivered. For instance, since the main and nose landing gears used in the aircraft have not been produced before, there is no weight information available for the landing gears, as the weight may increase or decrease when the quality of the material changes during the production, testing and delivery processes. Therefore, it is possible that there will be differences between the previously shared technical specifications of the aircraft and the technical specifications of the GTU/P0 and the next 7 prototypes. In the posters in the MMU hangar, the maximum speed of the aircraft is specified as Mach 2, the maximum ceiling altitude is 60,000 feet, the service ceiling is 55,000 feet, the maximum weight is 20,000lb, the G limits are +9/-3G, the turning performance is mach 0.9 and 9G at 15,000 feet, and 4G at 0,9 mach and 30,000 feet.
thx to İbrahim Sünnetçi
For comparison, F-22 structure and materials;View attachment 54502
The contracts for the Detail Design and Clarification Phase, which is planned to be completed by the last quarter of 2028, are expected to be signed at the DSEI 2023 fair to be held in England in September, when the CDR process of the Block 10 aircraft will be completed. It is anticipated that the Detail Design and Clarification Phase and IOC/FOC will cost approximately $7.3 billion, with an additional $14 billion required for mass production of the 5th generation MMU/TF-X warplanes. While the unit cost for prototype aircraft is estimated at 120 million dollars, it is estimated that mass production TF-X aircraft will cost 80 million dollars.
The materials used in the under structure of the MMU/TF-X aircraft are as follows:
-Forward Fuselage: 7050 T7451 aluminum alloy
-Forward-mid Fuselage: 7050 T7451 aluminum alloy. It is 5 meters wide, 4.2 meters long and 2.2 meters high, with a structural weight of 1470 kilograms.
-Wing Module System: Titanium. This section of the fuselage of the MMU/TF-X aircraft was built vertically and manufactured in one piece with the wings. Total weight of the structure is 2125 kilograms.
-Aft Fuselage System: Titanium. Its total weight is 3945 kilograms.
In the MMU/TF-X aircraft, composite materials, namely UD, Uni-Directional epoxy resin impregnated Carbon Prepreg is used as the Body Shell. The design of the monolithic air intakes of the aircraft, which is made of composite materials using the hand layup method, features an S-duct geometry. It starts from the front body and extends to the rear engine section, 6 on the left and right, a total of 12. There are two Horizontal Stabilizers on the aircraft. A single one of these control surfaces is as large as the wing of an F-16. It is 2.9 meters wide, 4.1 meters long, 0.4 meters high, and weighs 235 kilograms.
In the information sharing about the MMU/TF-X GTU/P0 prototype, it was stated that they do not have any definitive data on the size and weight of the aircraft, because the figures supposedly emerged as the design got finalized and the domestic subsystems used in the aircraft were delivered. For instance, since the main and nose landing gears used in the aircraft have not been produced before, there is no weight information available for the landing gears, as the weight may increase or decrease when the quality of the material changes during the production, testing and delivery processes. Therefore, it is possible that there will be differences between the previously shared technical specifications of the aircraft and the technical specifications of the GTU/P0 and the next 7 prototypes. In the posters in the MMU hangar, the maximum speed of the aircraft is specified as Mach 2, the maximum ceiling altitude is 60,000 feet, the service ceiling is 55,000 feet, the maximum weight is 20,000lb, the G limits are +9/-3G, the turning performance is mach 0.9 and 9G at 15,000 feet, and 4G at 0,9 mach and 30,000 feet.
thx to İbrahim Sünnetçi
Given the $80 million number per TF-23 I would assume including logistic, spare parts, training, and ammunition packages it would cost around 140/150.
Right now I am feeling depressed to think that, we will spend $3 billion for Eurofightet/rafale instead of this beautiful beast.
I actually do think this bad boy will outsell the F-35 in the long run. I did share this theory of mine in other spaces as well and the reactions were, well, a copefestThis beast will not be ready for some time. Your Air Force has an urgent need for modernization. I am confident your growing economy will be able to afford these beasts as well in 10-15 years.
I actually do think this bad boy will outsell the F-35 in the long run. I did share this theory of mine in other spaces as well and the reactions were, well, a copefest![]()
You are right, everybody has their own agenda.hmm, I don’t know about that.
Unfortunately, KSA just signed for FCAS.
they were one of the main prospects for TF-X
There is also the matter of when TFX will be ready for export.Signing a MOU does not really mean something, who knows something can happen and they can decide for urgent purchase. Tempest is to be ready when? 2040?
Build the jet, proof it on the battlefield and it will sell like hot cake, no MOU can stop that
Arab petrostates are known to deploy whatever they can get their hands on. I don't think its over yet.hmm, I don’t know about that.
Unfortunately, KSA just signed for FCAS.
they were one of the main prospects for TF-X
İs that same plan UK ltaly with Japanese?hmm, I don’t know about that.
Unfortunately, KSA just signed for FCAS.
they were one of the main prospects for TF-X
İs that same plan UK ltaly with Japanese?
Too many Countries work together can't make good result
Use it or not, you're paying Ferrari either way.Those weapons are like Ferrari's being locked in garages.
I actually do think this bad boy will outsell the F-35 in the long run. I did share this theory of mine in other spaces as well and the reactions were, well, a copefest![]()
How sure are we when tfx will go into mass production?You know, we need to use the US engine so that it can go into mass production in 2028-2030...Signing a MOU does not really mean something, who knows something can happen and they can decide for urgent purchase. Tempest is to be ready when? 2040?
Build the jet, proof it on the battlefield and it will sell like hot cake, no MOU can stop that
It will go into production several years later than planned if foreign engines can not be used.How sure are we when tfx will go into mass production?You know, we need to use the US engine so that it can go into mass production in 2028-2030...
I don't think so.Use it or not, you're paying Ferrari either way.
Also, Ferrari doesn't hesitate to take your car away if you "desecrate" the Ferrari image in any way they feel.
(Come to think of it, Ferrari should make state of the art fighter jets)