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[Agha Sher]

MMU rollout ceremony will be held in April, i thought it was 18th of March ?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1630869699046014976

Also Modernized Su-25s of Georgia ?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1630179211171209217

They changed it as they would rather have TF-X roll-out with its own power in April rather than being pulled by a tractor in March.

 

[Radonsider]

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The contracts for the Detail Design and Clarification Phase, which is planned to be completed by the last quarter of 2028, are expected to be signed at the DSEI 2023 fair to be held in England in September, when the CDR process of the Block 10 aircraft will be completed. It is anticipated that the Detail Design and Clarification Phase and IOC/FOC will cost approximately $7.3 billion, with an additional $14 billion required for mass production of the 5th generation MMU/TF-X warplanes. While the unit cost for prototype aircraft is estimated at 120 million dollars, it is estimated that mass production TF-X aircraft will cost 80 million dollars.

The materials used in the under structure of the MMU/TF-X aircraft are as follows:

-Forward Fuselage: 7050 T7451 aluminum alloy

-Forward-mid Fuselage: 7050 T7451 aluminum alloy. It is 5 meters wide, 4.2 meters long and 2.2 meters high, with a structural weight of 1470 kilograms.

-Wing Module System: Titanium. This section of the fuselage of the MMU/TF-X aircraft was built vertically and manufactured in one piece with the wings. Total weight of the structure is 2125 kilograms.

-Aft Fuselage System: Titanium. Its total weight is 3945 kilograms.

In the MMU/TF-X aircraft, composite materials, namely UD, Uni-Directional epoxy resin impregnated Carbon Prepreg is used as the Body Shell. The design of the monolithic air intakes of the aircraft, which is made of composite materials using the hand layup method, features an S-duct geometry. It starts from the front body and extends to the rear engine section, 6 on the left and right, a total of 12. There are two Horizontal Stabilizers on the aircraft. A single one of these control surfaces is as large as the wing of an F-16. It is 2.9 meters wide, 4.1 meters long, 0.4 meters high, and weighs 235 kilograms.

In the information sharing about the MMU/TF-X GTU/P0 prototype, it was stated that they do not have any definitive data on the size and weight of the aircraft, because the figures supposedly emerged as the design got finalized and the domestic subsystems used in the aircraft were delivered. For instance, since the main and nose landing gears used in the aircraft have not been produced before, there is no weight information available for the landing gears, as the weight may increase or decrease when the quality of the material changes during the production, testing and delivery processes. Therefore, it is possible that there will be differences between the previously shared technical specifications of the aircraft and the technical specifications of the GTU/P0 and the next 7 prototypes. In the posters in the MMU hangar, the maximum speed of the aircraft is specified as Mach 2, the maximum ceiling altitude is 60,000 feet, the service ceiling is 55,000 feet, the maximum weight is 20,000lb, the G limits are +9/-3G, the turning performance is mach 0.9 and 9G at 15,000 feet, and 4G at 0,9 mach and 30,000 feet.


thx to İbrahim Sünnetçi

This means that TF-X empty airframe is lighter than F-22s, considering that TF-X is bigger than F-22, this is really impressive. Congrats to TAI

 

[Rodeo]

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The contracts for the Detail Design and Clarification Phase, which is planned to be completed by the last quarter of 2028, are expected to be signed at the DSEI 2023 fair to be held in England in September, when the CDR process of the Block 10 aircraft will be completed. It is anticipated that the Detail Design and Clarification Phase and IOC/FOC will cost approximately $7.3 billion, with an additional $14 billion required for mass production of the 5th generation MMU/TF-X warplanes. While the unit cost for prototype aircraft is estimated at 120 million dollars, it is estimated that mass production TF-X aircraft will cost 80 million dollars.

The materials used in the under structure of the MMU/TF-X aircraft are as follows:

-Forward Fuselage: 7050 T7451 aluminum alloy

-Forward-mid Fuselage: 7050 T7451 aluminum alloy. It is 5 meters wide, 4.2 meters long and 2.2 meters high, with a structural weight of 1470 kilograms.

-Wing Module System: Titanium. This section of the fuselage of the MMU/TF-X aircraft was built vertically and manufactured in one piece with the wings. Total weight of the structure is 2125 kilograms.

-Aft Fuselage System: Titanium. Its total weight is 3945 kilograms.

In the MMU/TF-X aircraft, composite materials, namely UD, Uni-Directional epoxy resin impregnated Carbon Prepreg is used as the Body Shell. The design of the monolithic air intakes of the aircraft, which is made of composite materials using the hand layup method, features an S-duct geometry. It starts from the front body and extends to the rear engine section, 6 on the left and right, a total of 12. There are two Horizontal Stabilizers on the aircraft. A single one of these control surfaces is as large as the wing of an F-16. It is 2.9 meters wide, 4.1 meters long, 0.4 meters high, and weighs 235 kilograms.

In the information sharing about the MMU/TF-X GTU/P0 prototype, it was stated that they do not have any definitive data on the size and weight of the aircraft, because the figures supposedly emerged as the design got finalized and the domestic subsystems used in the aircraft were delivered. For instance, since the main and nose landing gears used in the aircraft have not been produced before, there is no weight information available for the landing gears, as the weight may increase or decrease when the quality of the material changes during the production, testing and delivery processes. Therefore, it is possible that there will be differences between the previously shared technical specifications of the aircraft and the technical specifications of the GTU/P0 and the next 7 prototypes. In the posters in the MMU hangar, the maximum speed of the aircraft is specified as Mach 2, the maximum ceiling altitude is 60,000 feet, the service ceiling is 55,000 feet, the maximum weight is 20,000lb, the G limits are +9/-3G, the turning performance is mach 0.9 and 9G at 15,000 feet, and 4G at 0,9 mach and 30,000 feet.


thx to İbrahim Sünnetçi

For comparison, F-22 structure and materials;

Traditional aircraft materials such as aluminum and steel make up about 20% of the F-22 structure by weight. Its high-performance capabilities require significant amounts of titanium (42% of all structural materials by weight) and composite materials (24% by weight). These are stronger and lighter than traditional materials, and offer better protection against corrosion. Titanium also offers tolerance to higher temperatures. In fact, titanium accounts for a larger percentage of the structural weight on the F-22 than any other current U.S. fighter.

• The forward fuselage is just over 5.2 in (17 ft) long, slightly more than 1.5 m (5 ft) wide at its widest point, 1.7 m (5 ft 8 in.) tall, and weighs about 770 kg (1700 lb). Built up in two sections, the forward fuselage is joined together by two long and relatively wide side beams and two longerons that run the length of the assembly. The beams, which are made of composite materials, also provide an attachment point for the "chine," the fuselage edge that provides smooth aerodynamic blending into the intakes and wings. The 5.2 m (17 ft.) long aluminum longerons form the sills of the cockpit, and the canopy rests on them.
• The canopy is about 356 cm long, 114 cm wide, 70 cm tall (140 x 45 x 27 in.), and weighs about 160 kg (360 lb). it is the largest piece of monolithic polycarbonate material being formed today. It is made of two 0.9 cm (0.375 in.) thick sheets that are heated and fusion-bonded, then drape-forged. It has no canopy bow, and offers superior optics throughout, as well as the requisite stealth features.
• The mid-fuselage is also about 5.2 m (17 ft long), 2 m (6 ft) high, and weighs about 3900 kg (8500 lb). Almost all systems pass though this section, including hydraulic, electrical, environmental control, fuel, and auxiliary power systems. It also includes three fuel tanks, four internal weapons bays, and the 20-mm cannon. Only 35% of the mid-fuselage structure is aluminum. Composites make up 23.5%, and titanium is nearly 35%. The lower keel chord is a Ti6-22-22 alloy forging that weighs about 18 kg (40 lb). The four bulkheads are made of titanium Ti6-4; one of these is the largest single titanium part ever used on an aircraft.
• The aft fuselage is 67% titanium, 22% aluminum, and 11 % composite by weight. It measures 5.8 in long by 3.6 m wide (19 x 12 ft), and weighs 2270 kg (5000 lb). About 25% by weight of the aft fuselage is comprised of large electronbeam-welded titanium forward and aft booms. The largest is the forward boom, which is more than 3 m (10 ft) long and weighs about 300 kg (650 lb). The welded booms reduce the need for traditional fasteners by about 75%.
• The wings are composed of 42% titanium, 35% composites (including the skin), and 23% aluminum, steel, and other materials in the form of fasteners, clips, and other miscellaneous parts. Each wing weighs approximately 900 kg (2000 lb) and measures 4.8 in (16 ft) on the side-of-body, by 5.5 m (18 ft) along the leading edge. After analyzing the results of live-fire tests that simulated severe combat damage, engineers chose to reinforce the wing by replacing every fourth composite spar with one made of titanium. This reinforcement ensures that the F-22 will be even more survivable in combat situations.
• The empennage consists of the vertical and horizontal tails. The verticals are a multi-spar configuration internally, and have a HIP'ed cast rudder actuator housing. The edges and rudder are made of composites, and have embedded VHF antennas. The horizontal surfaces, known as stabilators, are made of honeycomb materials with composite edges. They are movable assemblies, and are deflected by the composite pivot shaft described below.
• The main landing gear is made of Carpenter Technology's Airmet 100 steel alloy. It is one of the first applications of a steel that has been specially heat treated to provide greater corrosion protection to the main gear piston axle.

For more information, visit https://web.eng.fiu.edu/allstar/f22raptor.html

 

[Zafer]

Fantastic figures for the TFX, mach 2 is stellar.

 

[Afif]

Given the $80 million number per TF-23 I would assume including logistic, spare parts, training, and ammunition packages it would cost around 140/150.

Right now I am feeling little depressed to think that, we will spend $3 billion for Eurofightet/rafale instead of this beautiful beast.

 

[Agha Sher]

Given the $80 million number per TF-23 I would assume including logistic, spare parts, training, and ammunition packages it would cost around 140/150.

Right now I am feeling depressed to think that, we will spend $3 billion for Eurofightet/rafale instead of this beautiful beast.

This beast will not be ready for some time. Your Air Force has an urgent need for modernization. I am confident your growing economy will be able to afford these beasts as well in 10-15 years.

 

[Heartbang]

This beast will not be ready for some time. Your Air Force has an urgent need for modernization. I am confident your growing economy will be able to afford these beasts as well in 10-15 years.

I actually do think this bad boy will outsell the F-35 in the long run. I did share this theory of mine in other spaces as well and the reactions were, well, a copefest

 

[Agha Sher]

I actually do think this bad boy will outsell the F-35 in the long run. I did share this theory of mine in other spaces as well and the reactions were, well, a copefest

hmm, I don’t know about that.
Unfortunately, KSA just signed for FCAS.

they were one of the main prospects for TF-X

 

[Afif]

hmm, I don’t know about that.
Unfortunately, KSA just signed for FCAS.

they were one of the main prospects for TF-X

You are right, everybody has their own agenda.

 

[Nutuk]

Signing a MOU does not really mean something, who knows something can happen and they can decide for urgent purchase. Tempest is to be ready when? 2040?

Build the jet, proof it on the battlefield and it will sell like hot cake, no MOU can stop that

 

[Afif]

Signing a MOU does not really mean something, who knows something can happen and they can decide for urgent purchase. Tempest is to be ready when? 2040?

Build the jet, proof it on the battlefield and it will sell like hot cake, no MOU can stop that

There is also the matter of when TFX will be ready for export.
I don't think it would be before 2034/35. TAI need to start delivery for TAF first. Foreign customers are second priority.

 

[Heartbang]

hmm, I don’t know about that.
Unfortunately, KSA just signed for FCAS.

they were one of the main prospects for TF-X

Arab petrostates are known to deploy whatever they can get their hands on. I don't think its over yet.

 

[B_ATAMAN]

hmm, I don’t know about that.
Unfortunately, KSA just signed for FCAS.

they were one of the main prospects for TF-X

İs that same plan UK ltaly with Japanese?

Too many Countries work together can't make good result

 

[Agha Sher]

İs that same plan UK ltaly with Japanese?

Too many Countries work together can't make good result

Things are a bit confusing tbh.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1631194265844940802

 

[Heartbang]

Those weapons are like Ferrari's being locked in garages.

Use it or not, you're paying Ferrari either way.
Also, Ferrari doesn't hesitate to take your car away if you "desecrate" the Ferrari image in any way they feel.
(Come to think of it, Ferrari should make state of the art fighter jets )

 

[TheInsider]

I actually do think this bad boy will outsell the F-35 in the long run. I did share this theory of mine in other spaces as well and the reactions were, well, a copefest

Not gonna happen in the next 100 years. As we don't have enough production capacity for that.

 

[Mehmed Ali]

At no point I believed that Saudi would join TFX program. The only so called Muslim country which would like to do so is Pakistan. Unfortunately Pakistan can't offer much in that retrospect. Let's say for example one or two South East Asian countries potentially could be customer , maybe Vietnam or Philippines. The best prospects are Central Asian states and Azerbaijan.
As of Bangladesh , it will never happen, it is out of question .

 

[Bürküt]

Signing a MOU does not really mean something, who knows something can happen and they can decide for urgent purchase. Tempest is to be ready when? 2040?

Build the jet, proof it on the battlefield and it will sell like hot cake, no MOU can stop that

How sure are we when tfx will go into mass production?You know, we need to use the US engine so that it can go into mass production in 2028-2030...

 

[Zafer]

How sure are we when tfx will go into mass production?You know, we need to use the US engine so that it can go into mass production in 2028-2030...

It will go into production several years later than planned if foreign engines can not be used.

 

[Afif]

Use it or not, you're paying Ferrari either way.
Also, Ferrari doesn't hesitate to take your car away if you "desecrate" the Ferrari image in any way they feel.
(Come to think of it, Ferrari should make state of the art fighter jets )

I don't think so.

Turkey is not USA, nor it has the luxury to afford such policy.

If Turkey try to imitate the same policy of US in security cooperation matters, then there is no point in buying Turkish weapon instead of US.
( At least with US, countries will have much bigger and powerful geopolitical and security quarterback compared to TR )