TR F-16 Özgür | Hürkuş - Fighter Trainer Aircraft Projects

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Please search for their unit costs each and then compare it to CIRIT's.
And what about my first point?

Even if you say anduril is expensive, irans 358? ( already being used against aksungur, akinci etc )

 

[Strong AI]

irans 358

Its estimated cost is at least as much as two CIRIT missiles.

 

[uçuyorum]

Its estimated cost is at least as much as two CIRIT missiles.

You are making the wrong calculation. How much does hurkus cost? How can you risk it against such a cheap drone? A jet will fly too fast and high for 358 but hurkus wont, and 358 can much likely saturate the number of cirits you can put on it, thats assuming cirit can hit such a missile head on, it likely cant, you would need sungur at the very least

 

[Strong AI]

You are making the wrong calculation. How much does hurkus cost? How can you risk it against such a cheap drone? A jet will fly too fast and high for 358 but hurkus wont, and 358 can much likely saturate the number of cirits you can put on it, thats assuming cirit can hit such a missile head on, it likely cant, you would need sungur at the very least

Bro what are you talking about? Do you know what C-UAS is?
358 is surface-to-air.

 

[uçuyorum]

Bro what are you talking about? Do you know what C-UAS is?
358 is surface-to-air.

Oh let's clarify this, do you think people attacking with drones will only use one type of drone? Even small groups have 358s now, they will obviously try to defend their airspace somewhat

 

[mTT]

@Sanchez @Yasar_TR

How about:

1. Hürkus with FULMAR (SAR) and UMTAS-GM Block 2?
2. Since USAF uses APKWS against Drones (as C-UAS), Hürkus with Aselpod (afaik ASELFLIR-300T doesn't have A/A mode) and FULMAR 500-A (according to Aselsan it can detect Air targets) and CIRIT missile?

Yes, the HÜRKUŞ platform can be used with both the FULMAR (SAR) radar and UMTAS-GM Block 2 missiles.
UMTAS-GM Block 2 has an internal CCD/IIR hybrid seeker, so it does not require a SAR radar for target acquisition.

The CİRİT missile requires a laser-designated target. Even if HÜRKUŞ does not have ASELPOD or FULMAR, it can use the CİRİT missile with laser designation provided by TB2.

 

[Strong AI]

Oh let's clarify this, do you think people attacking with drones will only use one type of drone? Even small groups have 358s now, they will obviously try to defend their airspace somewhat

Wait, when someone attacks Türkiye with drones, they will also place 358 inside Türkiye? Weird.

 

[Strong AI]

Yes, the HÜRKUŞ platform can be used with both the FULMAR (SAR) radar and UMTAS-GM Block 2 missiles.
UMTAS-GM Block 2 has an internal CCD/IIR hybrid seeker, so it does not require a SAR radar for target acquisition.

UMTAS-GM Block 2 will have a range of 50+ km when fired from a Helicopter, so fired from Hürkus lets say 70 km. This means you would use FULMAR for target detection and to update the targets position (that missile will have RF Datalink).

The CİRİT missile requires a laser-designated target. Even if HÜRKUŞ does not have ASELPOD or FULMAR, it can use the CİRİT missile with laser designation provided by TB2.

It is not good to always rely on other platforms.

 

[Sanchez]

@Sanchez @Yasar_TR

How about:

1. Hürkus with FULMAR (SAR) and UMTAS-GM Block 2?
2. Since USAF uses APKWS against Drones (as C-UAS), Hürkus with Aselpod (afaik ASELFLIR-300T doesn't have A/A mode) and FULMAR 500-A (according to Aselsan it can detect Air targets) and CIRIT missile?

As a very low cost MPA, could work I guess. Very low endurance though. Drone better, no?

Russians and Ukrainians use turboprops and even some piston aircraft in such a role, with guns. For such a total war scenario, sure it could work. But, we haven’t heard of further development of Cirit for years. I think it’s an evolutionary deadend at this point, probably too expensive. Wish they also studied a AKPWS like kit solution to lower the costs. But what role does it serve. It could only be used as a low endurance aircraft for base protection duties. Americans have success with it because they use F-15s as a quasi CAP aircraft, refueling them midair and at greater ranges, and it’s still a high performance aircraft that can protect itself with AIM-9s and can run away to safety if needed, Hürkuş doesn’t have that.

 

[Sanchez]

@Sanchez @Yasar_TR

How about:

1. Hürkus with FULMAR (SAR) and UMTAS-GM Block 2?
2. Since USAF uses APKWS against Drones (as C-UAS), Hürkus with Aselpod (afaik ASELFLIR-300T doesn't have A/A mode) and FULMAR 500-A (according to Aselsan it can detect Air targets) and CIRIT missile?

It's conjecture of course but, could be true as well.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1934667600958570698

 

[Zafer]

 

[Sanchez]

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I think at least 1 Hürkuş 1 is in inventory as Hürkuş HYEU.

 

[Zafer]

I think at least 1 Hürkuş 1 is in inventory as Hürkuş HYEU.

I kind of heard that but it won't get a special treatment I am afraid.

 

[mTT]

Ankara Governorship : A military aircraft undergoing modernization at TAI Mürted facilities will be conducting a supersonic test flight today between 15:00 and 16:00 at an altitude of 30,000 feet and above, in the area between BEYPAZARI and AYAŞ.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1941031182353027515

F-16 Özgür ??

 

[Sanchez]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1941031182353027515

F-16 Özgür ??

More than likely, test flight before delivery.

 

[Sanchez]

Per official TAI gazzette, TAI will deliver 15 Hürkuş IIs to HvKK this year, with remaining 40 to be delivered by 2027.

Dergi - TUSAS

Dergi

www.tusas.com

Pretty tight schedule of about 15-20 aircraft per year, hope they also get some export contracts, would be a loss to lose that production pipeline.

Özbek claims first 2 Hürkuş were delivered to Çiğli AFB, adding that because of the runway maintenance in Mürted, further tests(acceptance tests?) will be done in Çiğli.

HÜRKUŞ-II’ler Çiğli’de – Tolga Özbek

tolgaozbek.com