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Please search for their unit costs each and then compare it to CIRIT's.
And what about my first point?
Even if you say anduril is expensive, irans 358? ( already being used against aksungur, akinci etc )
 
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Its estimated cost is at least as much as two CIRIT missiles.
You are making the wrong calculation. How much does hurkus cost? How can you risk it against such a cheap drone? A jet will fly too fast and high for 358 but hurkus wont, and 358 can much likely saturate the number of cirits you can put on it, thats assuming cirit can hit such a missile head on, it likely cant, you would need sungur at the very least
 

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You are making the wrong calculation. How much does hurkus cost? How can you risk it against such a cheap drone? A jet will fly too fast and high for 358 but hurkus wont, and 358 can much likely saturate the number of cirits you can put on it, thats assuming cirit can hit such a missile head on, it likely cant, you would need sungur at the very least
Bro what are you talking about? Do you know what C-UAS is?
358 is surface-to-air.
 

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Bro what are you talking about? Do you know what C-UAS is?
358 is surface-to-air.
Oh let's clarify this, do you think people attacking with drones will only use one type of drone? Even small groups have 358s now, they will obviously try to defend their airspace somewhat
 

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How about:

1. Hürkus with FULMAR (SAR) and UMTAS-GM Block 2?
2. Since USAF uses APKWS against Drones (as C-UAS), Hürkus with Aselpod (afaik ASELFLIR-300T doesn't have A/A mode) and FULMAR 500-A (according to Aselsan it can detect Air targets) and CIRIT missile?
Yes, the HÜRKUŞ platform can be used with both the FULMAR (SAR) radar and UMTAS-GM Block 2 missiles.
UMTAS-GM Block 2 has an internal CCD/IIR hybrid seeker, so it does not require a SAR radar for target acquisition.

The CİRİT missile requires a laser-designated target. Even if HÜRKUŞ does not have ASELPOD or FULMAR, it can use the CİRİT missile with laser designation provided by TB2.
 

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Oh let's clarify this, do you think people attacking with drones will only use one type of drone? Even small groups have 358s now, they will obviously try to defend their airspace somewhat
Wait, when someone attacks Türkiye with drones, they will also place 358 inside Türkiye? Weird.
 

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Yes, the HÜRKUŞ platform can be used with both the FULMAR (SAR) radar and UMTAS-GM Block 2 missiles.
UMTAS-GM Block 2 has an internal CCD/IIR hybrid seeker, so it does not require a SAR radar for target acquisition.

UMTAS-GM Block 2 will have a range of 50+ km when fired from a Helicopter, so fired from Hürkus lets say 70 km. This means you would use FULMAR for target detection and to update the targets position (that missile will have RF Datalink).

The CİRİT missile requires a laser-designated target. Even if HÜRKUŞ does not have ASELPOD or FULMAR, it can use the CİRİT missile with laser designation provided by TB2.

It is not good to always rely on other platforms.
 

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How about:

1. Hürkus with FULMAR (SAR) and UMTAS-GM Block 2?
2. Since USAF uses APKWS against Drones (as C-UAS), Hürkus with Aselpod (afaik ASELFLIR-300T doesn't have A/A mode) and FULMAR 500-A (according to Aselsan it can detect Air targets) and CIRIT missile?
As a very low cost MPA, could work I guess. Very low endurance though. Drone better, no?

Russians and Ukrainians use turboprops and even some piston aircraft in such a role, with guns. For such a total war scenario, sure it could work. But, we haven’t heard of further development of Cirit for years. I think it’s an evolutionary deadend at this point, probably too expensive. Wish they also studied a AKPWS like kit solution to lower the costs. But what role does it serve. It could only be used as a low endurance aircraft for base protection duties. Americans have success with it because they use F-15s as a quasi CAP aircraft, refueling them midair and at greater ranges, and it’s still a high performance aircraft that can protect itself with AIM-9s and can run away to safety if needed, Hürkuş doesn’t have that.
 

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