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This is all speculation. As long as we get progress reports. And on schedule with some leeway we should be happy.


mr. Aksit saying we’ve reached the tech level to be able to produce the engine for TFX.

Guess next step is make a charter on everything to start making these engines.
This actually co-incides with Temil Kotil's statements regarding the fact that the TFX will fly with a national engine in 2028 as well as the fact that he said that the initial studies of a domestic engine have been finished; which may indicate that the next phase may be prototype production

It seems that there is an engine development program going on behind the scenes which may also indicate that Kale and RR couldnt achieve a deal fast enough
 

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This actually co-incides with Temil Kotil's statements regarding the fact that the TFX will fly with a national engine in 2028 as well as the fact that he said that the initial studies of a domestic engine have been finished; which may indicate that the next phase may be prototype production

It seems that there is an engine development program going on behind the scenes which may also indicate that Kale and RR couldnt achieve a deal fast enough
What Temil kotil says is that, the tr motor has the preliminary design of the engine. And that mean the most important phase before the prototype production has yet to be done, which is critical design review. One or two prototype can be expected in 2025/26 timeline. In addition to that they are propably going to scrap the deal with rolls royce as there is uncertainties over technology transfer. I would be happy but very surprised if that deal go through!
 

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@what also stop using your admin powers whenever someone points out something that you don't like alright this place isn't your power fantasy forum. You even deleted the comments that were right about the subject I will go to the head admins If you don't stop acting like this.

Go ahead, because most of the comments on the last pages were deleted by one of the heads of this forum. And if you post off topic or racist stuff, be glad if it was just deleted.
 

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how can people say that an office , which will take a critical role in tfx fighter it seems, in Pakistan si not a security risk for our country??
We are not talking about a pakistani engineer who will work in Tusas ANKARA where he can not take critical informations out of the country !!
We should get experienced engineers in our project, but that does not mean that we should recruit them in another countries for our crtical projects!! especially in Pakistan where any chinese spy can get access!!
Additionally, why qatar university students get right to make apprenticeship at TUSAS?? where they cen release some critical informations outside of company!!
 

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Your nationalism goes too far if you think hiring foreign engineers that are badly needed for a local TAI office is something bad.

Time for a reality check, TAI is not stupid, they know what they are doing. As the CEO as stated numerous times, the core people are Turkish, and many foreigners are involved in the development of smaller projects with limited scopes. They dont necessarily see the big picture, i.e. everything in the project.

Are we to believe that companies with greater Intellectual Properties and bigger projects that are hiring talented engineers are mistaken? Lockheed, Boeing, Airbus or BAE have been doing this for decades, its called internationalization. It lowers the costs of the project, it brings in badly needed well-educated people. In short its good for the project and Turkey.

also since tusas vision is much greater then being limited to türkiye its a no-brainer that non-turks will work in that company as well. I think we have some folks in this forum who work at supermarkets and that really have no idea how large corporations work lel
 

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how can people say that an office , which will take a critical role in tfx fighter it seems, in Pakistan si not a security risk for our country??
We are not talking about a pakistani engineer who will work in Tusas ANKARA where he can not take critical informations out of the country !!
We should get experienced engineers in our project, but that does not mean that we should recruit them in another countries for our crtical projects!! especially in Pakistan where any chinese spy can get access!!
Additionally, why qatar university students get right to make apprenticeship at TUSAS?? where they cen release some critical informations outside of company!!
You seem to me as a smart guy. What do you thing, how can TAI ensure this security leak, under current retention?
 

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You seem to me as a smart guy. What do you thing, how can TAI ensure this security leak, under current retention?
First of all, abroad offices should only work for some components etc only or on critically less important projects.
If this guy will get access to our flight dynamics or simulation of flight dynamics systems of our TFX in Pakistan office. That is fucking problem , be sure on this!! Since if they know fly characteristics , an experienced aerospace company can guess aircrafts all manueveribility in every condition and can find weak points .
TUSAŞ should recruit experienced,brilliant foreigners but in Ankara office or in anywhere in Turkey.
Additionally, TUSAŞ should not give it's offshore offices critical projects as much as possible.
If TUSAŞ facilities in Ankara can not handle the work, TUSAŞ can distribute some of its work to other defense companies like they made some companies produced canopy.

If still some engineers can work only in abroad, they should work in western countries excluding turkey hatred ones as much as possible. Since western countries can barely dictate to reach any companies documents etc.
in eastern countries, government can get any companies documents if they want. Since they have no rule of laws etc.
 

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First of all, abroad offices should only work for some components etc only or on critically less important projects.
If this guy will get access to our flight dynamics or simulation of flight dynamics systems of our TFX in Pakistan office. That is fucking problem , be sure on this!! Since if they know fly characteristics , an experienced aerospace company can guess aircrafts all manueveribility in every condition and can find weak points .
TUSAŞ should recruit experienced,brilliant foreigners but in Ankara office or in anywhere in Turkey.
Additionally, TUSAŞ should not give it's offshore offices critical projects as much as possible.
If TUSAŞ facilities in Ankara can not handle the work, TUSAŞ can distribute some of its work to other defense companies like they made some companies produced canopy.

If still some engineers can work only in abroad, they should work in western countries excluding turkey hatred ones as much as possible. Since western countries can barely dictate to reach any companies documents etc.
in eastern countries, government can get any companies documents if they want. Since they have no rule of laws etc.

It is not sure if that particular guy will work on the TF-X. Actually if that would be the case I don’t think he’ll be allowed to post it on social media.
 

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Mr Ismail Demir: "Before TFX MMU target, 1-2 models of Kızılelma and HÜRJET will enter the inventory. These will also be a significant power multiplier on its scale"
 

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what about tius and göksungur
I believe TISU will be developed after the design work of ongoing projects are completed and in sync with the development of the TF6000 engine. As Kızılelma will come before it and will fill the gap negating urgency. They should make a bomber and a tanker as well as a fighter of it all with twin engines while Baykar make single engine fighters.
 

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I believe TISU will be developed after the design work of ongoing projects are completed and in sync with the development of the TF6000 engine. As Kızılelma will come before it and will fill the gap negating urgency. They should make a bomber and a tanker as well as a fighter of it all with twin engines while Baykar make single engine fighters.

From what I understand, TISU is currently under development with a similar timeline to that of MIUS.
 

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From what I understand, TISU is currently under development with a similar timeline to that of MIUS.
While MIUS sourced suitable engines from Ukraine there is no talk of TISU at all. We have no idea what size it will even be, an aspect which is closely associated with engine availability. So I am guessing it is tied to the TF6000 engine development timeline.
 

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But outsourcing is bad news. Boeing shit quality nowadays not just due to sjw crap and affirmative action but also outsourcing to other countries.

That's not true. There is a rigorous applied safety protocol (extensive testing and verification at various levels of the hierarchy).

That deals with all "outsourced" work before it can make it to where human souls are depending on it.

So outsourcing is not the problem, something(s) failed in the protocol application....that is 100% on Boeing.

Design department strictly within Boeing after all have made flawed designs before that have been rejected by the protocol process....and some have gotten through previously as well (again by flawed application of the protocol)

Details of this (and the penalties + remedial actions) w.r.t 737 MAX (or say 787 battery) can be read in the FAA investigation but they tend to be quite long reads. A lot of detail is lost in the media clickbait articles unfortunately (which have various agendas to peddle).

It is part of my current job to do just this kind of thing (for both what we do in-house and outsource to say universities and external design + coding groups) before I can put my seal on it and pass it upwards for more final checks.

I have yet to be overruled....but I have overruled those below me at various times if things did not tick all the boxes we have stringently set up (before we can evaluate performance dividends past it)....including for work outsourced.

None of the outsourced work teams put their seal on it (or are part of the vetting + overruling process) and bear no liability on the contracted work....as we do not outsource safety and testing standards to them given what we finally are liable for when we take ownership of the work.

TAI similarly would have its stringent protocols for anything done both in its domestic design teams and any international branches/outsourcing/consultancy.

There is often slightly different rubric for military (since you are pushing the envelope and the final product has far fewer human lives on the line directly) but overall same concept applies how you approach safety (and the things past that afterwards).

But there should be absolutely no difference (in the consistent safety protocol approach used) between what you receive from internal design teams and what you contract or delegate elsewhere.

This stringency would also govern IP and industrial secret (or military secret) access and info flow. You simply design the "need to know" structure from inside out. That is again something TAI would take seriously already.
 

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I wonder how the HMD program is going. That is of critical importance. We can't be flying around with HGU knock-offs. We haven't heard anything regarding the helmet for a very long time. Did ASELSAN and TAI even sign an agreement to begin with? They were certainly expected to do so in 2021.
 

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Another HAVA SOJ test flight

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