Analysis The agonizing problem of Pakistan’s nukes

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And lets be honest whose Pakistan going to invade? But America, Russia, England, France, Isreal, China are all expansionist nations with nukes. That should worry us, not Pakistan.
 

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They have had 20 years. What they gonna do now that they did not do in the last 20. This is just dirty meat for vultures to feast on. It makes jot of differance.

Important thing is US has left and India got caught with it's tail squeeling. That is agomizing and such reports are bandage for hurt egos.

The US is going to increasingly have to handle the dragon. India? It can't even handle Pakistan leave alone China.

American responses change based on the administration in power. You think a GW Bush / Cheney Admin would have withdrawn from Afghanistan even in 2021. If the Americans had said they are staying put in Kabul propping up the Ghani and successor regimes, the Pakistani military/political admin would have brayed as usual to be American mules and agreed for a few cents to let NATO use Pak bases and air space out of fear of American reprisal.
 

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And lets be honest whose Pakistan going to invade? But America, Russia, England, France, Isreal, China are all expansionist nations with nukes. That should worry us, not Pakistan.
No one in his or her right mind would give much cred to Pak's military making a dent in any of its endeavors. The concern, as rightly highlighted, is what if nukes fall into the hands of those who are happy to go down in a blaze of glory so they don't care about M.A.D. - they won't even care if Pak itself is nuked.
 
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Nukes= Best deterrent.
That is the bottom line. The world is not a fair place and sadly might is right. This is how it goes. You fail to understand that concept and you will perish.

What drove Pakistan was the realization, blunt realization that we were alone against a enemy with nearly seven times greater population. Now some will say numbers are not everything but what they ignore is numbers do mean everything. However tough guy I am if I ran into 7 guys or 20 women on both occasions chances are I would end up with the right beating even if I managed to knock few out.

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To be sure, yes numbers can be defeated if you have technology at a level that is far superior to your enemies. For instance Israel. Clearly Israeli F-22 Raptors etc will prevail against Arabs despite their numerical superiority - although be noted that Arab superiority in numbers was always applied in a fragmented manner because it involving competeting Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Israeli's could knock each one out in turns.

Going back to India. It is composed of 30 plus states. Just one of those states, Utter Pradesh has population equal if not greater than Pakistan. Pakistan does have never had significant technological superiorty over India which means both are about equally matched thus in a fight it all boils down to numbers and resources.

In any extended war Pakistan would simply be bled white by the weight of Indian numbers. By early 1970s it was clear India was well on the way to developing nukes. Thus the historic decision made in 1973 to build a Pakistani nuclear device. What helped was ever since the British rule Pakistan had a small cream of extremely bright scientists. A good example of this was Dr Abdus Salam the Pakistan Nobel holder in Physics. He had pushed the then Ayub Khan government in 1960s to set up peaceful nuclear project and thus was born PAEC.

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What really helped was Pakistan then was close ally of the West and under the 'Atoms for Peace' programme 100s bright Pakistani students were sent to USA and Europe to be taught on all aspects of nuclear engineering. DR Abdus Salam was cleverly laying the nursey seeds of a future talent poo. It was this 'pool' that Bhutto called on to come back and build the bomb. Rest is history.

The strategic result is Pakistan is now impervious to Indian or any other threat. Not even United States would take things that far. Thanks to Pakistan Army, Pakistan nukes it will never be the next Iraq, Syria or Libya. It is now estimated by some that Pakistan's nuclear stockpile is greater than UK.

The only thing missing in Pakistan's nuclear deterance is a nuke submarine fleet but we can be sure within the next two decades the oceans of the world will have Pakistani nuke sharks on patrol.

Meantime let those who want to cry, cry. The fact that our nukes give some people heartburn tells us we got the boot right up where it should be.
 

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If were not worried by Russia, America, England, France, Isreal and China having nukes there is no reason to be worried by Pakistan having Nukes. Its actually better for the world when outside powers have it.

As Turks we have an underlying feeling that if hell befell Turkey she could at least access a Pakistan nuke or two.

Actually makes me feel more comfortable in this world knowing Pakistan has nukes.
I have no doubt that should that eventuallity, however so remote develop Pakistan will share what it has with Turkey. I think we all know this. It's one of those unwritten undersandings.
 

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Nukes= Best deterrent.

To an extent, yes in the sense that it can prevent complete annihilation but not complete military humiliation and defeat as witnessed in the Kargil War fought under the nuclear umbrella where the Pakistanis ran to the Americans to bail them out.
 

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