TR Casual Discussion TOGG - Türkiye's Automotive Joint Venture Group

[Heartbang]

Tesla'dan Türkiye hamlesi

Dünyanın elektrikli otomotiv devi Tesla, Türkiye’de kurduğu Tesla Motorları şirketiyle tüm modellerini ülkemize getiriyor. Modeller

www.veryansintv.com

Seems like a pretty strong move by Tesla, and it'll likely kill off TOGG.

And this

EXCLUSIVE Renault, Nissan, Mitsubishi to unveil 2030 EV plan this week

Renault SA , Nissan Motor Co and Mitsubishi Motors Corp plan to triple their investment to jointly develop electric vehicles (EVs), two people with knowledge of the plan told Reuters.

www.reuters.com

I don't think TOGG will survive, much less as much as Anadolu did back when Koc launched it.

more like "Turkish EV market became too big to ignore and we'd like to participate in an official manner!"
hell, Tesla could assemble in Türkiye if the Lira keeps tanking. would improve their production quality too.

 

[Zafer]

Tesla can not get any privileges from Türkiye, it is no different than any other.
I believe TOGG will be protected against foreign competition.
There is no easy entrance in the market.

 

[Saithan]

The argument in the past was that EV was the future and we needed to be ahead in the game. So if TOGG is going to have success, the government would need to make the right incentives to give it an edge.

Luxury branding is worth nothing if it costs more than the consumers are willing to pay for it, and it isn't performing up to par with existing known brands.

The advantage of existing brands are their known customer service and aftersales support. Several others have already mentioned this before. Who'd buy a vehicle with unknown customer service record ?

Vestel lost in the smartphone market due to aftersale support/service. I do not imagine it's going to be any different for TOGG. This is my prediction based on the past occurances.

Granted if the state foots the bill any company can offer the best aftersale support. "you're car has a screw loose, no worries here new car complements of the state".

That's not how we want it to be either.

 

[Hexciter]

Musk will not open a factory in Turkey, just want to sell imports. Killing TOGG is an another dimension.

 

[Saithan]

Musk will not open a factory in Turkey, just want to sell imports. Killing TOGG is an another dimension.

But the price still matters and performance, and some of the other things I mentioned.

 

[what]

The cheapest Tesla Model 3 is around 50k €, thats around 760.000 Lira. They are not going to win the mass market with that. Neither will TOGG if they dont offer something smaller than that SUV.

 

[neosinan]

The cheapest Tesla Model 3 is around 50k €, thats around 760.000 Lira. They are not going to win the mass market with that. Neither will TOGG if they dont offer something smaller than that SUV.

You are mistaken, SUVs are the second biggest car classification by sale volume in 2021, And Togg's second car will be a sedan So They will have an offer for most customer.

2021 Otomobil Satış Rakamları Türkiye - Yolcu360 Blog

2021 otomobil satış rakamları ile karşınızdayız. 2021'de Türkiye'de kaç tane otomobil satıldı? Segmentleriyle inceliyoruz.

yolcu360.com

 

[Hexciter]

US electric car manufacturer Tesla will establish fast charging centers in Istanbul, Ankara, Antalya, Aydın, Balikesir, Bursa, Edirne, Sakarya, Izmir and Konya.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1486277462984204291

 

[Huelague]

One charging station cost €30.000, and we need at least 250.000 units (by Karatas).

 

[Abdelaziz]

Why some say "it will kill togg "and similar thing ? Is tesla a mercedes or some thing ?! I dont like this brand at all and its not a brand with well known history like the known cars manufacturers .. othewise i like togg design more that tesla. . its clearly more attractive

 

[Hexciter]

 

[Zafer]

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Seems like a lot of people will have mining jobs and recycling business will be big.
We should also expect Tesla powerwall like applications.

 

[AzeriTank]

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what is oalm?

 

[HTurk]

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Lithium-Ion Batteries - REDUX - Smart battery recycling

We offer a complete service including the recycling of all battery production waste (e.g. cathode material) and all types of lithium-ion batteries.

www.redux-recycling.com

 

[Deliorman]

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Just imagine the amount of chemicals and CO2 emitted to produce just one such battery. Forget about the whole car or the energy it will use etc. But yeah... long live the Green Revolution.

 

[what]

Just imagine the amount of chemicals and CO2 emitted to produce just one such battery. Forget about the whole car or the energy it will use etc. But yeah... long live the Green Revolution.

What kind of argument. Even all things considered, the EV is greener and depending on how you calculate it completely green after a couple of years.

And most of those emissions are from the production, because the electricity used for it is you know not green. The chemicals can be reused/recylced.

 

[Ryder]

What kind of argument. Even all things considered, the EV is greener and depending on how you calculate it completely green after a couple of years.

And most of those emissions are from the production, because the electricity used for it is you know not green. The chemicals can be reused/recylced.

Look up the cobalt and lithium mines. That shit has to digged up no different than oil, coal or gas. Dont forget how the mines are polluting cities and villages especially in the Congo.

So how is the electric car more greener than the petrol car?

 

[Ryder]

Just imagine the amount of chemicals and CO2 emitted to produce just one such battery. Forget about the whole car or the energy it will use etc. But yeah... long live the Green Revolution.

Not to mention lithium and cobalt are toxic not handled properly. Im wondering how they are going to get recycled.

 

[neosinan]

Look up the cobalt and lithium mines. That shit has to digged up no different than oil, coal or gas. Dont forget how the mines are polluting cities and villages especially in the Congo.

So how is the electric car more greener than the petrol car?

Here is in debt analysis of Carbon emission of EV and ICE/İnternal combustion engine vehicles;

A global comparison of the life-cycle greenhouse gas emissions of combustion engine and electric passenger cars - International Council on Clean Transportation

Life-cycle assessment of the greenhouse gas emissions of passenger cars in China, Europe, India, and the United States, which together account for about 70% of new passenger car sales worldwide.

theicct.org

Here is dumb down article on the same topic

Are electric cars 'green'? The answer is yes, but it's complicated

Electric vehicles have surged in demand, and hit a record number last year as more and more people turn to battery-operated cars.

www.cnbc.com

In short Yes BEV's are greener if you wanna use it more than a couple months

 

[TheInsider]

EVs are magnitudes greener than combustion engines but they are not zero emission products.