TR Casual Discussion TOGG - Türkiye's Automotive Joint Venture Group

[Combat-Master]

 

[TheInsider]

This is from the prototype production. This project will succeed. It is just the right thing at the right time.

 

[Combat-Master]

Came across this article from April of this year;

Turkey to emerge from auto chip crisis through local production​

An engineer holds chips produced at a laboratory in the Gebze district of the northwestern province of Kocaeli, Turkey, April 9, 2021. (Photo by Ilhami Yıldırım)


As the world grapples with a chip crisis that has particularly plagued global automakers, Turkey is relying on a local production center that produces components for the country’s ever-growing defense industry.
The National Electronics and Cryptology Research Institute (UEKAE) is attempting to develop the components at its Semiconductor Technologies Research Laboratory (YITAL) in the Gebze district of the northwestern industrial province of Kocaeli.
The UEKAE is part of the Scientific and Technological Research Council of Turkey (TÜBITAK) Informatics and Information Security Research Center (BILGEM).
A significant portion of the chip needs of Turkish companies, including Roketsan, Aselsan and TÜBITAK Defense Industries Research and Development Institute (SAGE), are met at the center.
YITAL executive Aziz Ulvi Çalışkan said they have the competence to manufacture components for the country’s first homegrown car, developed by Turkey’s Automobile Joint Venture Group (TOGG), a consortium manufacturing the car.

“We are in preparation for this, we will be knocking on their door soon,” Çalışkan told Turkish daily Sabah.
Turkey is among the few countries that design and produce all components of information security, from the algorithm to the chip, said UEKAE Manager Erdal Bayram.
The recent chip shortage plaguing global automakers has forced many to halt production and there does not seem to be an immediate solution.
Three Turkish carmakers, Ford Otosan, Tofaş and Oyak Renault, recently had to temporarily suspend their production due to the chip supply crisis.
The shortage has forced production cuts worldwide and sparked worries across the industry, including at Volkswagen, Ford, General Motors, Honda, Hyundai and Toyota, prompting countries to ramp up efforts to resolve the shortage.
The spread of COVID-19 has scrambled supply and demand patterns worldwide, and as a consequence caused a chip shortage.
Erdal says that they are confident they have the ability to adapt the production of microchips for the defense industry to other sectors, including the automotive industry.
Çalışkan said it is possible for the domestically-developed chips to be used in TOGG.
“In the automobile industry, there is a power control system that transfers power from the battery to the wheels. These are critical materials. We have important solutions, and we have the necessary technology,” he said.
Preparations are underway, he says. “TOGG also needs to turn to us, tell us their needs and shape us.”
“We manufacture according to order. It could be the same for TOGG,” Çalışkan said.
The TOGG was formed in June 2018 by five industrial giants – the Anadolu Group, BMC, Kök Group, Turkcell and Zorlu Holding – as well as an umbrella organization, the Union of Chambers and Commodity Exchanges of Turkey (TOBB), to produce the country’s first domestically manufactured electric vehicle (EV).
The consortium will produce five different models – an SUV, sedan, C-hatchback, B-SUV and B-MPV – by 2030.
The country in December 2019 unveiled prototypes of an SUV and a sedan, both fully electric and C-segment models. Mass production of the SUV will begin in 2022, with the sedan to follow.

Turkey to emerge from auto chip crisis through local production

As the world grapples with a chip crisis that has particularly plagued global automakers, Turkey is relying on a local production center that produces...

www.dailysabah.com

So, the gist I'm getting from this article is that Tubitak is capable and willing to make semiconductors required for TOGG - but needs investment and willingness of TOGG. Perhaps, as shortages in semiconductors become more common - we may see such an investment?

 

[Combat-Master]

That panoramic screen looks decent you know, thought it was going to look tacky.

Compared to the Concept Vehicle

 

[Saithan]

He was Tesla's technical genius. Now he wants to solve a huge problem for the manufacturers of electric cars​

Investing heavily in electric cars without thinking through the entire supply chain is like overbooking planes without having built the planes yet, says Jeffrey "JB" Straubel. He was the co-founder and technical driving force of the electric car company Tesla until he left two years ago. Now it is especially the recycling of batteries that he has thrown his energy into.

I've said it a few times.

 

[Stuka]

Our smart SUV device, whose electronic and mechanical system approval and functional prototype production processes were completed in Turkey, received pre-approval.

We sent our functional prototypes to accredited test centers for safety, thermal, strength, dynamic and performance tests.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1455187898433691649

 

[Fuzuli NL]

 

[TheInsider]

The first production models of the TOGG will have %52 local production (It is a very good ratio in the automotive sector). The ratio will climb over %70 in several years after the start of serial production.

 

[Combat-Master]

Would be nice to know which type, dual motor or single motor

 

[Combat-Master]

Battery is Farasis, afaik there is no production.

I don't wanna be that guy but the battery is Farasis, engines are Bosch, all the machinery in the factory is Dürr.

Is this the Bosch eAxle ?

 

[Cabatli_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1455487118986317830

 

[Bogeyman]

STEP BY STEP TO THE FINISH IN A LITHIUM BASED BATTERY CELL

In cooperation with ASPİLSAN, ETİ MADEN and ASELSAN, a lithium-based battery development study that can be used in light electric vehicles is carried out. Within the scope of the project, a domestic cell of 18650 type and NMC chemistry will be developed using lithium carbonate obtained from boron wastes, and the battery pack to be formed from these cells will be displayed on a light electric vehicle.

After the cell production, a prototype battery pack (sixteen series, eight parallel cells) with a capacity of approximately 1 kWh will be produced by integrating the battery management system (BMS) and will be displayed in the light electric vehicle.

https://aselsan.com.tr/ASELSANabulten41_4884.pdf

 

[Sinan]

Is this the Bosch eAxle ?
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I have no idea. I'm no expert but i know that they have signed the deal with Bosch for serial production.

 

[TheInsider]

Bosch has a huge local gigafactory in TR and engines will be produced there. Bosch engine is the right choice. Producing an electrical engine is not difficult if need be a national electrical engine project can be funded. We need to ride the EV wave and start serial production as soon as we can. Widespread nationalization can follow after serial production.

 

[Tornadoss]

This is a nice car series, yet it's sad that most Turkish citizens won't be able to buy one.
By the way they should change the brand name.

 

[comolokko]

This is a nice car series, yet it's sad that most Turkish citizens won't be able to buy one.
By the way they should change the brand name.

i think the current brand name is reasonable and catchy. the only thing that will not be reasonable will be the price of the car. a minimum selling price of *50k dollars is not reasonable for country conditions.
* just a guess

 

[TheInsider]

TOGG might cost as low as 20-25k $ before tax. 300-350k TL with Turkish taxing if the car can get tax incentives. I don't think it will ever cross the 30k $ line(price before tax).

 

[what]

TOGG might cost as low as 20-25k $ before tax. 300-350k TL with Turkish taxing if the car can get tax incentives. I don't think it will ever cross the 30k $ line(price before tax).

We dont have the expensive labour force of Germany, but 30k Dollars or around 27k € would be very cheap for an SUV. But thats the price range they need to go for if they want the masses in Turkey to buy it. Maybe even cheaper small cars. The government orders alone won't safe the car.


Also, ffs please government start building the charging infrastructure. Even if the SUV has a WLPT range of 600 km, that's realistically still only 400 km for the Tesla Model 3 LR for example. So long distances will need a very good grid. And people in the cities will need charging stations on the streets, since almost all homes in the bigger cities are flats there won't be any power chargers for every one in their homes.

 

[TheInsider]

Studies are done for charging stations recently. Charging station standards are determined and a plan is made for the charging station.

TOGG'un elektrik şarj istasyonlarına ilişkin standartlar belirlendi

Türk Standardları Enstitüsü tarafından "Elektrikli Araç Şarj Üniteleri ve İstasyonları-Kurulum ve Güvenlik Gerekleri Standardı" hazırlandı. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Saithan]

I just bought s-cross 2016 model. Probably my last fossil fuel vehicle

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1456495282779262976

Let’s hope these 27 guys can make additional difference in the project, since they came from abroad. first goal should be 1 mio recharging stations