I would take money first if possible. This is just salvaging deal.
It's a good compromise. That money wouldn't go far getting any other stop-gap fighter jet till TF-X comes into service.
I would take money first if possible. This is just salvaging deal.
If LM wants any chance of further defence relations with Turkey they'll make use of our assembly line that was built for F16. Refusing so means LM loses a market.Additional Information.
The F16 is only being offered in the Block 70/72 variants by Lockheed Martin.
F16s are going to be produced only in Greenville, South Caroline and the First F16 B70 will roll out here in 2022.
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The Production Line is quite Full.
-> 140 F16s are for Bahrain, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Taiwan, and Croatia and the Philippines have been mentioned as customers.
-> 405 F16 Modernizations
Lockheed Martin’s backlog of F-16s (all for foreign military sales), as well as upgrades of 405 jets in foreign hands to the F-16V configuration won’t all be delivered until 2026, and the company anticipates more orders may be coming.
- The Process is quite complex and lengthy as well because FMS.
- So Turkey would have to wait at least till 2026 and for a sizeable delivery batch until 2027.
If the return of money is out of the question, i would opt for some other equipment instead f16, something that you will not aquire by domestic efforts soon as you will air frames but usa is not that naive so you are right in that sense. Maybe i woUld insist on larger number of engines then air units in package, i suppose usa would not obiect that.It's a good compromise. That money wouldn't go far getting any other stop-gap fighter jet till TF-X comes into service.
We have no background of using F-15 logistics lines will be a hellPersonally, totally against a scenario of F-16 Block70 as compensation, if such a deal is a question the please go for F-15.
And who will make it happen, the quintessential question.I don't think either of them are reliable which is why I want our own engine to be delivered and use on all our products, failuing to using them is treason. imo.
Didn’t we already have a turboprop for Hürkus ? But as I recall we are still using P&W.And who will make it happen, the quintessential question.
Didn’t we already have a turboprop for Hürkus ? But as I recall we are still using P&W.
And the same goes for Atak, we should have 4-8 T129 using TS1400 and fine tune it and such for when you need to do similar job on 629 and onwards.
Hürjet is excused as we haven’t reached that stage yet.
I also mentioned before that US is not reliable and they will certainly delay it for years..But at least!! F16 is a reliable platform where Turkey also have control over it, wherever it will be produced I am sure engines will be supplied by TEI or at least serviceable . F16 vs any Russian Junk, I will always choose F16, doesn't matter who is supplying.Claiming that the US is more reliable than the Russians is typical of the mandate mentality.
It can be said the other way around. The more reliable the USA, the more reliable it is in Russia.
I don't see any difference between the 2 of them. Some of our friends seem to have forgotten the Johnson letter during the Cyprus Peace Operation. "You cannot use the defense products you bought from the USA against GKRY". You must love(!) to hear such things from the USA. What are we going to do when we go to war with Greece? Are we going to burn the license agreement we got from the USA?
If memory serves, under FMS all F16 planes produced by Tusas, first goes to US then sold back to TurAF.Lets hope our officials not send our jets to American soil for upgrade. I fear they wont return back. The US is unpredictable and unreliable.
I will roflmao if that happens
Russian jets are garbageIf the US rejects the updates and modernizing, could the buying of a cheap/classic plane be a option till our TFX rolls out the fabric?
Like:
- Saab 35 Draken (double deltawings)
- MiG-25 (fastest Russian jet)
- Sukhoi-24 (two pilots, seats side by side)
Please...Scandinavian equipment?! Burning the money makes more sense than counting on Swedish PKK fanboys and -girls. No reliability whatsoever. Haven't we learned nothing?If the US rejects the updates and modernizing, could the buying of a cheap/classic plane be a option till our TFX rolls out the fabric?
Like:
- Saab 35 Draken (double deltawings)
- MiG-25 (fastest Russian jet)
- Sukhoi-24 (two pilots, seats side by side)