TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[uçuyorum]

I am just loudly thinking. Welcoming Sweden in NATO could bring some Gripens?

Might Turkey Seek Gripens From Sweden If Denied Eurofighters?

The Gripen undoubtedly fits the bill as an adequate alternative for many of the roles Ankara envisioned the Eurofighter fulfilling.

www.forbes.com

On the other hand Türkish Air Force ordered 40 Hürkuş so TurAF urges 40additinol pilots?

Gripen has F414. America wouldn't sell that to us. But F414 has 60KW electric output or so that i remember, which is on par with F16 so it can have a good radar and electronics for A2A, but alas, not gonna happen.

 

[UkroTurk]

In exchange for Swedish NATO membership, the United States can turn a blind eye. After all, gripen cannot be as good as f-16 Block 70.

40 Gripen couldn't make TurAF super power so there would not be a threat from us against Greece .

 

[Heartbang]

I am just loudly thinking. Welcoming Sweden in NATO could bring some Gripens?

With the known timetables, we have no choice but to go full bore with Hurjet + Kızılelma + Anka-3 combo. Make'em ready and spam the hell of'em.

 

[what]

I came across this and had to think about our logistic capabilities again:

Germany's orders (only logistics):
50 A400M (on top of already received)
Future Medium-Size Tactical Cargo (FMTC) as a replacement for the C-130 Hercules.
64 Chinook

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1749002161231405358

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1750256368869617762

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1750256368869617762

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1750258247955628502

 

[Sanchez]

Again, the same 20bn number. At this point, i don't even care about the planes, I just want to see the DSCA notice so we can learn what's in the damn thing.

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the 50bn figure some reported is false.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1750256872865612166

 

[Sanchez]

So that people won't be confused:

"Simply answering a few questions

Question: What about Biden's letter?
Answer: A simultaneous "confidence-building" step upon the Parliament vote

Question: So is this the official notification we have been waiting for?
Answer: No.

Question: What is the US waiting for?
Answer: For Turkey to officially complete the ratification process and send the documents."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1750263045186560069

Per how US said for the last few weeks/months, nothing has changed so far and they want it done.

 

[Scott Summers]

Biden admin. writes letter to US Congress to OK F-16 sales to Türkiye​

The Joe Biden administration urged the U.S. Congress to approve the sale of F-16 fighter jets and modernization kits to Türkiye in a letter submitted on Wednesday, sources said.

The administration wrote to members of Congress, urging the approval of a $20 billion sale of Lockheed Martin F-16 aircraft and modernization kits, three sources familiar with the letter told Reuters.

Biden admin. writes letter to US Congress to OK F-16 sales to Türkiye

The Joe Biden administration urged the U.S. Congress to approve the sale of F-16 fighter jets and modernization kits to Türkiye in a letter submitted on...

www.dailysabah.com

 

[dBSPL]

Even 20 billion dollars is a huge figure. Yes, even if you put tons of ammunition in it, it is a very big figure. Turkiye and TuAF has an established F-16 industry. There is already a logistics system that has been functioning for decades. One of the largest non-US production bases is in Ankara. Both TAI and the Air Force have had an institutional culture for decades, from routine ground services to depot level maintenances. Moreover, we have one of the most advanced F-16 test squadrons outside the US and we are capable of conducting advanced integrations. Work workforce, there is an extraordinarily experienced ground crew that has been able to bring back to life even aircraft such as 88-0033 that were deemed impossible to fly again. It goes without saying, there is no problem in terms of training, infrastructure and documentation if we talking about F-16s.

Then what is the budget of 20 billion dollars? The only possibility I can think of is that we have been subjected to a heavy embargo in recent years, which has really strained the existing F-16 logistics. So it's not just for 40 new aircraft or some upgrade kits, but huge logistics procurement that covers the entire existing F-16 fleet.

 

[Afif]

That still feels like a robbery though.

 

[dBSPL]

That still feels like a robbery though.

By way of comparison, when Turkiye joined the JSF project, there was talk in 2000s that it would spend $14-18 billion on aircraft procurement, while in 2017, the then defense minister announced in his presentation to parliament that the total amount to be spent for 100 aircraft would be $25 billion.

 

[Crush716]

That still feels like a robbery though.

It feels more like a gang bang bud.

 

[Oublious]

By way of comparison, when Turkiye joined the JSF project, there was talk in 2000s that it would spend $14-18 billion on aircraft procurement, while in 2017, the then defense minister announced in his presentation to parliament that the total amount to be spent for 100 aircraft would be $25 billion.

Maybe they are calculating the next 20 years of operation cost within?

 

[Afif]

By way of comparison, when Turkiye joined the JSF project, there was talk in 2000s that it would spend $14-18 billion on aircraft procurement, while in 2017, the then defense minister announced in his presentation to parliament that the total amount to be spent for 100 aircraft would be $25 billion.

Tbh, paying 25 billions for 100 F-35 (with full package) is way more worth it than paying 20 billions for 40 F16 and 79 upgrade kit. (With full package)

 

[dBSPL]

Tbh, paying 25 billions for 100 F-35 (with full package) is way more worth it than paying 20 billions for 40 F16 and 79 upgrade kit. (With full package)

As I wrote above, the only explanation I can think of is that while procuring these aircrafts, we also want to fill the maintenance, non-localized spare materials and ammunition depots to the brim, for everything that has been in supply problems in recent years or whose stock levels need secure for some future developments that we don't yet know about. Not just 40+70 but for whole F-16 fleet and plus, engine needs for first blocks national aircrafts.

 

[Sanchez]

20bn figure also includes thousands of AA and AG munitions as well.

 

[Chocopie]

Taiwan paid $4.1 billion in 2017 for upgrade of 141 F-16 A/B Block 20 to V-standard (assembly done locally).

$8 billion in 2019 for 66 brand new F-16V Block 70 starting delayed delivery in 2024.

$20 billion? Even with missiles, spare engines and parts the total sum is insanely high.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1750256227496452357

In the package;

40 new Block 70 F-16 fighter jets

79 F-16 Block 70 Modernization Kits

More than 900 air-to-air missiles

There are 800 bombs.

 

[Afif]

20bn figure also includes thousands of AA and AG munitions as well.

900 A2A missiles & 800 bombs.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IN/IN12111