Because Israel and Saudi Arabia are not potential geopolitical rivals but Turkey is. Saudis can chop up as many journalists as they like, it doesnt have any impact on Europe, meanwhile Turkey very much is in the competition for energy resources in the Med which the EU now needs more than ever with the access to cheap Russian gas gone. Which is completely hypocritical and destroys any notion of europe caring about human rights but instead completely logical from a realpolitik perspective. The talk about europe standing for "democracy" and "human rights" is nothing more than the updated version of europe seeing itself as "racially superior" used to justify imperialism. Sure europeans have bought into said propaganda and may truly believe that they are somehow morally "superior", but at the end of the day they pursue the same goals as those whom they deem "dictators".
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I can speak for the SPD and the right-ish oriented ones in the Seeheimer Kreis because of my personal relationship with some people. I know that they value Turkey as a country and partner. One thing people dont understand is and this will be my first and only post on this topic is that:
a) Israel can do whatever the fuck they want, it doesnt matter. Germany will support it.
b) Saudi is seen as a country that can be exploited and milked, not a threat so deliveries, support, updates can be stopped whenever
c) Turkey is held to a higher standard than both countries, not because they want to see a weaker Turkey but because they want a strong Turkey that is democratic and a real partner to Germany and the EU.
Now feel free to speculate all you want, but I know for a fact that many from the Seeheimer Kreis wanted this deal to happen but there was no way to approve it after Imamoglu was arrested and the last bit of hope for a better future for the time being killed.
Maybe the CDU led government will try again, but its no longer in the hands of the SPD and the current coalition.
Here's Imamoglu tweeting out of prison, that the jets should be delivered regardless of his faith:
a) Israel can do whatever the fuck they want, it doesnt matter. Germany will support it.
b) Saudi is seen as a country that can be exploited and milked, not a threat so deliveries, support, updates can be stopped whenever
c) Turkey is held to a higher standard than both countries, not because they want to see a weaker Turkey but because they want a strong Turkey that is democratic and a real partner to Germany and the EU.
Now feel free to speculate all you want, but I know for a fact that many from the Seeheimer Kreis wanted this deal to happen but there was no way to approve it after Imamoglu was arrested and the last bit of hope for a better future for the time being killed.
Maybe the CDU led government will try again, but its no longer in the hands of the SPD and the current coalition.
Here's Imamoglu tweeting out of prison, that the jets should be delivered regardless of his faith:
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Not sure where to post this but since it involves the air force, I'm posting it here.
Is Turkiye interested in a 25 tonne class airlifter in the near future? The C-390 offers more speed than A400M. It has demonstrated operational availability of around 80% and 99% mission completion rate in Brazilian air force service, according to Embraer.
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Is Turkiye interested in a 25 tonne class airlifter in the near future? The C-390 offers more speed than A400M. It has demonstrated operational availability of around 80% and 99% mission completion rate in Brazilian air force service, according to Embraer.
Brazil confirms that three more countries are close to buying the C-390 transport aircraft
Brazil confirms that three more countries are close to buying the C-390 transport aircraft
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Yes, there is news for different airplanes, there is no new news.
Different news,
- Sale for C-390, in exchange for KAAN. ( Brazilian Press )
- For 6 A400s, sale in exchange for 24 HÜRJETs. ( Spanish Press )
"Turkey and the UK are in talks to supply 12 C-130 Military Transport Aircraft to the Turkish Air Force."
12/1/2024
Türkiye ve İngiltere'den C-130 uçağı teması | SavunmaSanayiST
Türkiye ile İngiltere, 12 adet C-130 Askeri Nakliye Uçağı'nın Türk Hava Kuvvetleri'ne tedarikine yönelik temasları ilerletiyor.
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I think KAAN would be overkill for Brazil. It is not under threat. Additionally it should see its first F-39 (Gripen E) aircraft rollout of its assembly line this year. The FAB halted Gripen E deliveries from Sweden for budgetary reasons, I think, a year ago to explore lower cost options (used F-16). Committing to buying KAAN would be difficult financially.Yes, there is news for different airplanes, there is no new news.
Different news,
- Sale for C-390, in exchange for KAAN. ( Brazilian Press )
- For 6 A400s, sale in exchange for 24 HÜRJETs. ( Spanish Press )
"Turkey and the UK are in talks to supply 12 C-130 Military Transport Aircraft to the Turkish Air Force."
12/1/2024
Türkiye ve İngiltere'den C-130 uçağı teması | SavunmaSanayiST
Türkiye ile İngiltere, 12 adet C-130 Askeri Nakliye Uçağı'nın Türk Hava Kuvvetleri'ne tedarikine yönelik temasları ilerletiyor.
If Turkiye is interested in buying A400M from Spain as part of a Hurjet deal and C-130 (ex-RAF?), I guess that C-390 would be a hard sell for Embraer unless C-390 filled some operational requirement that A400M or C-130 could not fill.
