TR Defence Exports & Updates

[Siper>MMU]

No, Pakistan bought 4 modified Milgem for if I'm not mistaken 1 billion $. But the cost doesn't include Pakistani(Harbah missiles for example) or other foreign subsystems(like CAMM for example).

So the cost of "i class" can reach as high as 400 million per ship depending on what is in the deal. 3 billion is an overestimate but 2 to 2.5 billion is realistic. Bangladesh might be willing to get systems like Cenk-S rotating AESA radar, Hisar air defense missiles, Atmaca anti-ship missiles which will contribute to the total cost.

Bangladesh was already interested in Atmaca and Hisar missiles. It won't be a surprise BUT they are also interested with Chinese ones too.

 

[nakaFH]

Bangladesh is an Islamic country and step by step re-arming with Turkish made military equipments.

We have to get this deal for future aspects of being model for Malaysia and Indonesia.

Not only ship but also all military ship equipments including NG radars, CIWS, Air defence systems and also 76/62 mm cannon maybe...

 

[Yasar_TR]

With 6 new Istif Class ships their navy will have more modern frigates than Turkish navy.

 

[Anmdt]

No, Pakistan bought 4 modified Milgem for if I'm not mistaken 1 billion $. But the cost doesn't include Pakistani(Harbah missiles for example) or other foreign subsystems(like CAMM for example).

So the cost of "i class" can reach as high as 400 million per ship depending on what is in the deal. 3 billion is an overestimate but 2 to 2.5 billion is realistic. Bangladesh might be willing to get systems like Cenk-S rotating AESA radar, Hisar air defense missiles, Atmaca anti-ship missiles which will contribute to the total cost.

The project totals about $1.4 -1.5 billion as of now, including design revisions, IP rights, ToT, know-how transfer; excluding certain items.

With 6 new Istif Class ships their navy will have more modern frigates than Turkish navy.

"Koku bizde"
We have got ways to console ourselves.

 

[Bogeyman]

"Koku bizde"
We have got ways to console ourselves.

Different designs will bring experience. If it remains me, experience is precious than the money.

 

[Isa Khan]

Requesting every member here to carefully verify any news reported by DefSeca, formerly known as BDMilitary. This website sometimes makes false and speculative reports. @Destranator

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1418836994210291712

 

[Okan]

Also verify any news reported by turan oguz too. This "defense expert" shares the information he grabs from the defence forums on his twitter account. His followers think he is an ''expert''. I bet many members here or other forums have more technical knowledge than him and are more expert than him.

Look, what does this ''defence expert'' tell us that we don't know?

 

[Ryder]

Also verify any news reported by turan oguz too. This "defense expert" shares the information he grabs from the defence forums on his twitter account. His followers think he is an ''expert''. I bet many members here or other forums have more technical knowledge than him and are more expert than him.

Look, what does this ''defence expert'' tell us that we don't know?

Turan Oghuz is a member of this forum you should send a message to him directly.

 

[LegioXLupus]

Bangladesh is an Islamic country and step by step re-arming with Turkish made military equipments.

We have to get this deal for future aspects of being model for Malaysia and Indonesia.

Not only ship but also all military ship equipments including NG radars, CIWS, Air defence systems and also 76/62 mm cannon maybe...

Since 1971 they have made great strides despite having a disadvantaged start and geography.

They have not folded into one camp, have minor disputes with India and Pakistan. They have a secular government, the people are not as radical compared to other neighbours, strategically Turkey and Bangladesh could have a very fruitful relationship if we keep out of old West and East Pakistan politics.

Bangladesh is a huge market for Turkish defence industry and private sector, and like you rightly said a leaping stone into further geographies. They have a keen interest in Turkish defence products before it hits the market.

 

[Ryder]

Since 1971 they have made great strides despite having a disadvantaged start and geography.

They have not folded into one camp, have minor disputes with India and Pakistan. They have a secular government, the people are not as radical compared to other neighbours, strategically Turkey and Bangladesh could have a very fruitful relationship if we keep out of old West and East Pakistan politics.

Bangladesh is a huge market for Turkish defence industry and private sector, and like you rightly said a leaping stone into further geographies. They have a keen interest in Turkish defence products before it hits the market.

Bangladesh's foreign policy is to stay neutral.

But to protect their neutrality they want to be strong enough to protect it while being a deterrent. They also dont want any Indian and Pakistani interference in their internal politics and policies.

Also Bangladesh is neighbouring a volatile Myanmar that has threatened Bangladesh numerous times with war you also have many armed groups and refugees crossing into Bangladesh from Myanmar.

No doubt Bangladesh is arming up they need to be honest. Myanmar is an a-hole of a country.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Requesting every member here to carefully verify any news reported by DefSeca, formerly known as BDMilitary. This website sometimes makes false and speculative reports. @Destranator

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1418836994210291712

Turkish shipbuilder front runner in Bangladesh frigate program

he Bangladesh Navy is one step closer to finalizing its multibillion-dollar frigate program, which foresees the construction of multirole capable guided-missile frigates at the country’s Chattogram Dry Dock LTD (CDDL) with technical cooperation from a foreign naval shipbuilder, in which Turkey is a candidate and likely front runner.

Several countries initially showed interest in the $2.5 billion program, including the United Kingdom, France and South Korea, while Turkey, China, the Netherlands and Italy made the offers that reached the final stage.

Turkey’s STM Defense Technologies Engineering and Trade Inc., which built the Istanbul Frigate, the fifth vessel constructed as part of the MILGEM (National Ship) project, is likely to be the front runner, according to Bangladesh’s defense sites, since it is both cost-saving and also allows the addition of weapons and sensors by other Turkish sub-contractors, such as defense giants Aselsan and Roketsan.

The main reason why the bids of the remaining three countries are not as suitable as Turkey’s is that they are either more costly or not compatible with what the South Asian country's needs.

China's offer includes the procurement of Type 054 frigates at a unit cost of $378 million in exchange for the majority of CDDL's shares being given to China's China Shipbuilding and Offshore International Company Ltd. (CSOC) – an offer that Bangladeshi authorities do not favor.

The Type 054 frigate – the first of which entered service with the People’s Liberation Army Navy Surface Force in 2007– has a loaded displacement of 4,000 tons and carries medium-range air defense missiles, anti-ship missiles, a Type 730 30mm Close Air Defense System, torpedo tubes and an Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) rocket launcher system, though these can be changed depending on the upgrades made on the vessel.

The Dutch proposal, which includes the collaboration of Damen and CDDL on the construction of ships with domestic facilities, is not compatible with the country's needs because it offers a frigate on the segment similar to that of the Shadhinata class already in service in Bangladesh Navy, thus it does not have much to add for new capabilities.

Meanwhile, being one of the best proposals that the Bangladesh Navy is interested in, Italy offered Fincantieri’s multipurpose frigate design, a downscaled version of the company’s FFG(X) offered to the United States Navy. However, local defense sites point that the cost of those frigates would be well above the allocated budget of Bangladesh’s navy.

All these developments, including Italy’s over-budget bid, put Turkey above the main competitors of the program. It also has side advantages for Turkey as it would pave the way for the export of subsystems, such as the national vertical launch system (VLS) or domestically developed anti-ship missiles.

The weapon systems to be equipped with the STM’s I-class frigate will be decided by the Bangladeshi side if Turkey takes over the project and cooperation will be established between the Turkish shipbuilder and the CDDL.

Turkey’s Istanbul Frigate (F-515) construction saw leading defense companies Aselsan and Havelsan as its main business partners. It also has around 80 subcontractors working for more than 150 systems. Around two-thirds of those subcontractors are domestic while the rest are international companies. The vessels, differing from other MILGEM ships, carry surface-to-air guided weapons (SAGW) or more specifically, shipborne medium-range air defense missile systems.

Aselsan’s Gökdeniz close-in weapon system (CIWS) and the newly developed three-dimensional radars will also be integrated into the vessel. The national VLS system (MDAS) will be used for the first time on the TCG Istanbul, as well.

Turkish shipbuilder front runner in Bangladesh frigate program

The Bangladesh Navy is one step closer to finalizing its multibillion-dollar frigate program, which foresees the construction of multirole capable...

www.dailysabah.com

 

[Isa Khan]

The Dutch proposal, which includes the collaboration of Damen and CDDL on the construction of ships with domestic facilities, is not compatible with the country's needs because it offers a frigate on the segment similar to that of the Shadhinata class already in service in Bangladesh Navy, thus it does not have much to add for new capabilities.

Copy-paste of the same bogus DefSeca report. I guess this guy is talking about the Indonesian Navy's Sigma variant. If it's only the Sigma variant then why the owner of that site, Sayed Amar Khan said Damen offered us the Omega class? Is Omega incompatible or is it similar to Shadhinata class?

Meanwhile, being one of the best proposals that the Bangladesh Navy is interested in, Italy offered Fincantieri’s multipurpose frigate design, a downscaled version of the company’s FFG(X) offered to the United States Navy. However, local defense sites point that the cost of those frigates would be well above the allocated budget of Bangladesh’s navy.

Why would even BN think about the Constellation class which cost $950 million per ship? We can't even afford them.

 

[Oublious]

Copy-paste of the same bogus DefSeca report. I guess this guy is talking about the Indonesian Navy's Sigma variant. If it's only the Sigma variant then why the owner of that site, Sayed Amar Khan said Damen offered us the Omega class? Is Omega incompatible or is it similar to Shadhinata class?

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Why would even BN think about the Constellation class which cost $950 million per ship? We can't even afford them.

You will pay the full price like Egypt and you will get downgrade version

 

[Baron]

The project totals about $1.4 -1.5 billion as of now, including design revisions, IP rights, ToT, know-how transfer; excluding certain items.


"Koku bizde"
We have got ways to console ourselves.

Do you know many air targets can an istif class frigate engage simentenously?

This capability is very important for BD as both of our neighbours are operating sophisticated supersonic missiles.We must have the capability do defend against saturation attacks.

 

[Anmdt]

Speaking on common design;
Since it may have Smart-S II as per request of the customer, Smart-S (S band) is PESA and can track 700 targets in 3D at 13.5 rpm. At 27-30 the value decreases.

Mar-D (X band) placed on Gokdeniz has 100+km range and can track 150 targets.

2 AKR-B1 has range of 120 km for illumination and tracking, they can engage to minimum 2, dependinf on target distance and sector up to higber counts.

1 AKR-A1/2 on Gokdeniz has limited range but still can track targets for possible munition separation also can feed the data into CMS

So even if missiles are not equipped with active radar seeker, at least 2 can be guided in terminal phase, and more can be guided in mid-flight.

With active seeker, once the missile reaches to terminal phase the tracking radar can switch to another target and leave tracking to MAR-D or Smart-S, this means at least 3 can be precisely guided to target, simultaneosly.

Using Aselsan Cenk-S AESA, and active seeker on the missiles the number is theoratically is up to number of the missiles.

The platform is customizable so if the customer has bettee budget even fixed face radar can be provided (Apar or Aselsan's) to even unlock unlimited engagement with passive seekers (like ESSM block I)

Do you know many air targets can an istif class frigate engage simentenously?

This capability is very important for BD as both of our neighbours are operating sophisticated supersonic missiles.We must have the capability do defend against saturation attacks.

 

[Test7]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1419991108218720257

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1419991108218720257

RMK Marine
Been telling the shipyard is surprising.

 

[Test7]

RMK Marine
Been telling the shipyard is surprising.

Yep, this is really a surprise

 

[Anmdt]

Yep, this is really a surprise

They have kept it super-secret in fact, the steel cutting took place around in april-may and no ceremony was made. Yet it is still being kept secret in fact, if these pictures were not leaked we would probably not hear about it until the ship is erected on slipway and the figure has become visible.
The steel work will be completed in 14 months, so probably from 2022 May to 2023 September the ship will be equipped with something; engines+cabling+piping+electronics. Which means the ship is not being delivered bare-hull as some Ukranian officials have been claiming, it will be only missing certain parts to be added by them (if they can make it happen by then)

It is (first two) exactly Ada-Class so far the latter 2 ,if Ukraine orders, will be modified.

 

[Anmdt]

They have kept it super-secret in fact, the steel cutting took place around in april-may and no ceremony was made. Yet it is still being kept secret in fact, if these pictures were not leaked we would probably not hear about it until the ship is erected on slipway and the figure has become visible.
The steel work will be completed in 12 months, so probably from 2022 May to 2023 September the ship will be equipped with something; engines+cabling+piping+electronics. Which means the ship is not being delivered bare-hull as some Ukranian officials have been claiming, it will be only missing certain parts to be added by them (if they can make it happen by then)

It is exactly Ada-Class so far, the latter 2 ,if Ukraine orders, will be modified.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1419991769270345729

somebody thinks Ukranian Milgems are being built in Istanbul Shipyard command, someone using twitter may warn him