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[Anmdt]

Yeni İstif sınıfı fırkateynin inşasına başlandı!

Bu yılın 1 Temmuz Denizcilik ve Kabotaj Bayramı, Türk deniz sanayiinin gurur verici bir başarısı ile taçlandı. Türkiye'nin denizcilik sanayisindeki başarısını bir kez daha gözler önüne seren, TCG İzmit sonrası yapılacak olan 10 numaralı istif sınıfı fırkateynin sac kesim töreni gerçekleştirildi.

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The I-Class Frigate programme is proceeding with the second batch of the 4 ships, after the 9th and 10th ships’ keels have been laid and first steel cuttings have been performed at Sedef shipyards.
The F515, as Milgem 5 ship is now finished and joined the fleet, and F516 to F518 are being produced at the same time in three different shipyards.
Recently it was decided to add 4 more I-Class frigates to the naval force. First two of these four ships are now physically in production.

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Let’s hope that the work on the next 2 ships are started soon too.
More importantly, the work on the Reis Class also is not delayed any further.

Once completed these ships and submarines will be the backbone of our modern navy.

I recall some people telling (read in an appropiate accent) "Turkey can't build many ships at once, not even for their own navy". Now let's see;
7 I-Class
2 Hisar Class - minimum of 6 to come
4 Ukranian Milgem
3 Malaysian Milgem

To be completed by 2030.

 

[boredaf]

I recall some people telling (read in an appropiate accent) "Turkey can't build many ships at once, not even for their own navy". Now let's see;
7 I-Class
2 Hisar Class - minimum of 6 to come
4 Ukranian Milgem
3 Malaysian Milgem

To be completed by 2030.

I just wish we could make a decision on FAC and start planning them already.

 

[Yasar_TR]

The goal is probably to deliver all I-Class by 2028-2030 and then start production of the first TF-2000 destroyer.
I'm still expectin a design by the Navy to slot in between the I-Class (3100 Tonnes) and the TF-2000 (8000-8500 Tonnes)

5000-6000 tonnes design with 6-8 ships to supplement the fleet is necessary imo.
You could split the class between AAW and ASW or just do Multirole for all.

It is up in the air if we will truly see 8 TF-2000 to replace all 8 Gabya ships, I dont believe so honestly.

So maybe going

4+2 TF-2000 ----> partly replacing Gabya
6+2 5000-6000 tonnes design split AAW and ASW or straight Multirole depending on needs---->partly replacing Gabya with the AAW compartment and adding to the fleet
8 I-Class Frigates ---> replacing all Yavuz and Barbaros ships
4 Ada-Class Corvettes
10 Hisar OPV ---> some fully armed most FFBNW
Unknown numbers of new FAC


I'm honestly afraid they will shrink the fleet due to budget problems or keep it at the same number by going ship for ship.
With you much more active the Navy is I truly hope they find the money to expand it. Or else all our endeavors are for naught if we can't actually back them up with credible presence.

But these are just my hopes. Everything can change depending on how the economy goes the next couple years.

Italians are building 6 Constellation Class Frigates for the US Navy. Greeks wish to dovetail on to this programme with a possibility to build some of them in Greece. These are derived from FREMM Class and are 1.1 to 1.2 billion dollar, 151m long, 7300ton ships with 32 VLS tubes.

By the time we start building and finish the first 8500ton TF2000 destroyer, we may see a ship that is upwards of 1.5 billion dollars a piece. Complicated radar, electronics and weapons systems being developed each year, are seeing the cost of modern ships spiralling up in to levels that are becoming too expensive to build. Our I-Class ships are probably touching 550million dollar mark now. (However, by building 7 of them together we may be economising a great deal)

When we had 16 frigates; 8 x Gabya, 4 x Barbaros and 4 x Yavuz class, we were not envisaging showing force in Qatar and Somalia and going in to operations in Libya. Now that we are reaching further afield and having to defend areas in Black Sea as well as Eastern Mediterranean, 16 frigates are not enough to project force. Especially as we now have a large amphibious assault ship to protect and another one being programmed in the pipeline.

For coastal defence and littoral waters, 10 OPVs and 4 Ada Class Corvettes together with 10 new FAC boats like FAC-55 and 16 Tuzla Class ships with some of the old FACs like Kilic Class will do the job.

But for aerial defence and force projection further afield, we will see that, 4 Gabya with VLS will still stay in service for a while. These are 4100ton 136m long ocean faring frigates. And are very capable.
Yavuz Class will be replaced with the first set of 4 I-Class ships.
4 x Gabya class without VLS will probably be replaced by the second set of 4 I-Class, unless we delay building the 4 large new frigates/destroyers..
4 x Barbaros Class MEKO200 ships, having gone through MLU, will stay in service for at least another 15 years.
To supplant the TF2000 with a cheaper version we may add 4 heavy frigates to the fleet that are shorter and lighter version of these destroyers, and are more affordable to build.

As you have mentioned in your last paragraph there are constraints such as budgetary and political that will govern the outcome.

 

[Anmdt]

To supplant the TF2000 with a cheaper version we may add 4 heavy frigates to the fleet that are shorter and lighter version of these destroyers, and are more affordable to build.

I am quite in favor of Babcock's AH140 design if our design resources will be allocated entirely for TF-2000 to accelerate the design phase. among those the least importance is on TT-FAB. I find Milgem MLU, ADKG construction and modular unit designs much more meaningful within the given short term - mid term setting.

I think all shipyards are full right now. Maybe the Istanbul Naval yard could start production but who knows.

@Anmdt is way better versed in this stuff, I'm just writing my hopes and ideas here But I think he too said we won't see production start until the end of this decade, there also was a article a couple months ago I linked here that pretty much stated the same.

Who knows what the plans currently are with the AC project thrown into the mix.

I think one reason was that CAFRAD will be ready in 2028 or later.

TF-2000 will start in Naval Shipyard, this is for sure. But the 2nd-4th hulls will be produced by a private shipyard (likely TAIS). CAFRAD will and may continue on the side as long as TF-2000s contract design stage has been completed (which is going on nowadays).

 

[boredaf]

So, apperantly Navy has bought some civilian ships to use as fast cargo ships:

“Fast Transport Ship” for the Turkish Navy

Türk Donanmasına "Süratlı Nakliye Gemisi"

Oruç Reis V, Seydi Ali Reis I ve Kaptan Paşa katamaran tip deniz otobüsleri Türk Donanması envanterine "Süratlı Nakliye Gemisi" olarak girdi.

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Oruç Reis V, Seydi Ali Reis I and Kaptan Pasha catamaran type sea buses entered the Turkish Navy inventory as "Fast Transport Ships".

Oruç Reis V, Seydi Ali Reis I and Kaptan Pasha catamaran type sea buses purchased from İDO entered the Turkish Navy inventory as "Fast Transport Ships". In this context, the ships in question were added to the platforms tab on the official website of the Turkish Naval Forces Command. The naming of the ships is as follows:

TCG MUĞLA
TCG MERSİN
TCG FAMAGUSTA

According to the news made by MILDEFIN, the ships are currently at Alaybey Shipyard affiliated with Izmir Shipyard Command for maintenance and renovations. It is stated that all three of the ships were built in Norway in 1997 and that İDO put the ships up for sale on the grounds that they were closing domestic routes.

 

[Sanchez]

It is up in the air if we will truly see 8 TF-2000 to replace all 8 Gabya ships, I dont believe so honestly.

I believe second batch of Istifs will replace the shorter non modernized Gabyas, while first TF2000 batch will replace the Mk41 ones. If a second batch of TF2000s is indeed real and happens, that will be the actual hull increase in that vein, without going into middle designs between Istif and TF2000.

this will all cost us heavily but seems to be made with a plan in mind. Say 350-550 million for each Istif while the TF2000s surely no lower than a billion apiece.

 

[Afif]

I believe second batch of Istifs will replace the shorter non modernized Gabyas, while first TF2000 batch will replace the Mk41 ones. If a second batch of TF2000s is indeed real and happens, that will be the actual hull increase in that vein, without going into middle designs between Istif and TF2000.

this will all cost us heavily but seems to be made with a plan in mind. Say 350-550 million for each Istif while the TF2000s surely no lower than a billion apiece.

Yes, TF-2000 is likely going to be $1 billion per ship. I wonder if there any innovative way to keep the cost down. Maybe induction of changes and new technologies in the manufacturing process? @Anmdt could tell better. Apperantly, a Chinese Type 55 cost around $900-920 millions. That is really efficient for the technologies and systems it packs.

 

[uçuyorum]

Yes, TF-2000 is likely going to be $1 billion per ship. I wonder if there any innovative way to keep the cost down. Maybe induction of changes and new technologies in the manufacturing process? @Anmdt could tell better. Apperantly, a Chinese Type 55 cost around $900-920 millions. That is really efficient for the technologies and systems it packs.

It's really the radars and weapons that increase the price

 

[Cypro]

Yeni İstif sınıfı fırkateynin inşasına başlandı!

Bu yılın 1 Temmuz Denizcilik ve Kabotaj Bayramı, Türk deniz sanayiinin gurur verici bir başarısı ile taçlandı. Türkiye'nin denizcilik sanayisindeki başarısını bir kez daha gözler önüne seren, TCG İzmit sonrası yapılacak olan 10 numaralı istif sınıfı fırkateynin sac kesim töreni gerçekleştirildi.

www.defenceturk.net

The I-Class Frigate programme is proceeding with the second batch of the 4 ships, after the 9th and 10th ships’ keels have been laid and first steel cuttings have been performed at Sedef shipyards.
The F515, as Milgem 5 ship is now finished and joined the fleet, and F516 to F518 are being produced at the same time in three different shipyards.
Recently it was decided to add 4 more I-Class frigates to the naval force. First two of these four ships are now physically in production.

View attachment 69142

Let’s hope that the work on the next 2 ships are started soon too.
More importantly, the work on the Reis Class also is not delayed any further.

Once completed these ships and submarines will be the backbone of our modern navy.

It would be awesome if they have made next 4 with 32 vls.. segmentation instead of having same capacity limitations

 

[Sanchez]

It would be awesome if they have made next 4 with 32 vls.. segmentation instead of having same capacity limitations

If they order 8 of the same ship, they have plans of their own in mind. The ships these 8 vessels will replace, are Yavuz class Mekos and old Gabyas. Those 8 ships in total have 0 VLS cells, depending on Sea Sparrows and SM-1s for air defence. 8 Istifs will add 128 VLS cells to the navy. As well as double the amount of ASMs. It’s still a huge increase in capability and capacity.

At just over 3000 tons, Istifs in their planned configuration with strike length 16 VLS cells will be able to carry 32 ASMs in a full ASuW configuration. It’s a ship like none other, and is frankly more like the Russian Karakurt and Gorshkov than the NATO counterparts.

 

[uçuyorum]

If they order 8 of the same ship, they have plans of their own in mind. The ships these 8 vessels will replace, are Yavuz class Mekos and old Gabyas. Those 8 ships in total have 0 VLS cells, depending on Sea Sparrows and SM-1s for air defence. 8 Istifs will add 128 VLS cells to the navy. As well as double the amount of ASMs. It’s still a huge increase in capability and capacity.

At just over 3000 tons, Istifs in their planned configuration with strike length 16 VLS cells will be able to carry 32 ASMs in a full ASuW configuration. It’s a ship like none other, and is frankly more like the Russian Karakurt and Gorshkov than the NATO counterparts.

They are also designed for quad pack, so eventually when quad pack hissar arrives, even if it takes like 5 years or so, these ships will be serving long years so they will be quite well balanced, in time

 

[zio]

If atmaca missiles can be fired from midlas,we can convert space of atmaca on istif class to 16 cell midlas,so this ships can cary full atmaca or full siper missiles or combinations of both.

 

[Sanchez]

If atmaca missiles can be fired from midlas,we can convert space of atmaca on istif class to 16 cell midlas,so this ships can cary full atmaca or full siper missiles or combinations of both.

It is mentioned that TF2000s won’t carry quadruple Mk-141 angled launchers of Harpoon/Atmaca and Atmaca loads will be carried in the MIDLAS. Hence my comment of 32 Atmacas in Istifs with strike length MIDLAS, which will be in ships 2 through 8, or 5 through 8, unsure.

 

[Aqerdf]

Istif maybe could capable to carry 32 angled regular Atmaca launchers, space is there i think but weight or balance is within limits ? That part i don't know.

 

[Altay_TR]

New Hisar-D launch video on F-515 TCG İstanbul.

 

[Heartbang]

we can convert space of atmaca on istif class to 16 cell midlas,

I'd prefer we convert that space to use slanted midlas launchers. It would be more practical to reload these in a pinch. And it would be just as flexible.

 

[Oublious]

New Hisar-D launch video on F-515 TCG İstanbul.

lol

They tested it in March ...

 

[UkroTurk]

lol

They tested it in March ...

Is this the second test? Or was the previous one?

 

[Oublious]

Is this the second test? Or was the previous one?

Aselsan uploaded today but video says March, i do not remember the video.

 

[Strong AI]

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