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To supplant the TF2000 with a cheaper version we may add 4 heavy frigates to the fleet that are shorter and lighter version of these destroyers, and are more affordable to build.
I am quite in favor of Babcock's AH140 design if our design resources will be allocated entirely for TF-2000 to accelerate the design phase. among those the least importance is on TT-FAB. I find Milgem MLU, ADKG construction and modular unit designs much more meaningful within the given short term - mid term setting.
I think all shipyards are full right now. Maybe the Istanbul Naval yard could start production but who knows.

@Anmdt is way better versed in this stuff, I'm just writing my hopes and ideas here :) But I think he too said we won't see production start until the end of this decade, there also was a article a couple months ago I linked here that pretty much stated the same.

Who knows what the plans currently are with the AC project thrown into the mix.

I think one reason was that CAFRAD will be ready in 2028 or later.
TF-2000 will start in Naval Shipyard, this is for sure. But the 2nd-4th hulls will be produced by a private shipyard (likely TAIS). CAFRAD will and may continue on the side as long as TF-2000s contract design stage has been completed (which is going on nowadays).
 

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So, apperantly Navy has bought some civilian ships to use as fast cargo ships:

“Fast Transport Ship” for the Turkish Navy


Oruç Reis V, Seydi Ali Reis I and Kaptan Pasha catamaran type sea buses entered the Turkish Navy inventory as "Fast Transport Ships".

Oruç Reis V, Seydi Ali Reis I and Kaptan Pasha catamaran type sea buses purchased from İDO entered the Turkish Navy inventory as "Fast Transport Ships". In this context, the ships in question were added to the platforms tab on the official website of the Turkish Naval Forces Command. The naming of the ships is as follows:

TCG MUĞLA
TCG MERSİN
TCG FAMAGUSTA

According to the news made by MILDEFIN, the ships are currently at Alaybey Shipyard affiliated with Izmir Shipyard Command for maintenance and renovations. It is stated that all three of the ships were built in Norway in 1997 and that İDO put the ships up for sale on the grounds that they were closing domestic routes.
 

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It is up in the air if we will truly see 8 TF-2000 to replace all 8 Gabya ships, I dont believe so honestly.
I believe second batch of Istifs will replace the shorter non modernized Gabyas, while first TF2000 batch will replace the Mk41 ones. If a second batch of TF2000s is indeed real and happens, that will be the actual hull increase in that vein, without going into middle designs between Istif and TF2000.

this will all cost us heavily but seems to be made with a plan in mind. Say 350-550 million for each Istif while the TF2000s surely no lower than a billion apiece.
 

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I believe second batch of Istifs will replace the shorter non modernized Gabyas, while first TF2000 batch will replace the Mk41 ones. If a second batch of TF2000s is indeed real and happens, that will be the actual hull increase in that vein, without going into middle designs between Istif and TF2000.

this will all cost us heavily but seems to be made with a plan in mind. Say 350-550 million for each Istif while the TF2000s surely no lower than a billion apiece.

Yes, TF-2000 is likely going to be $1 billion per ship. I wonder if there any innovative way to keep the cost down. Maybe induction of changes and new technologies in the manufacturing process? @Anmdt could tell better. Apperantly, a Chinese Type 55 cost around $900-920 millions. That is really efficient for the technologies and systems it packs.
 

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Yes, TF-2000 is likely going to be $1 billion per ship. I wonder if there any innovative way to keep the cost down. Maybe induction of changes and new technologies in the manufacturing process? @Anmdt could tell better. Apperantly, a Chinese Type 55 cost around $900-920 millions. That is really efficient for the technologies and systems it packs.
It's really the radars and weapons that increase the price
 

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The I-Class Frigate programme is proceeding with the second batch of the 4 ships, after the 9th and 10th ships’ keels have been laid and first steel cuttings have been performed at Sedef shipyards.
The F515, as Milgem 5 ship is now finished and joined the fleet, and F516 to F518 are being produced at the same time in three different shipyards.
Recently it was decided to add 4 more I-Class frigates to the naval force. First two of these four ships are now physically in production.

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Let’s hope that the work on the next 2 ships are started soon too.
More importantly, the work on the Reis Class also is not delayed any further.

Once completed these ships and submarines will be the backbone of our modern navy.
It would be awesome if they have made next 4 with 32 vls.. segmentation instead of having same capacity limitations
 

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It would be awesome if they have made next 4 with 32 vls.. segmentation instead of having same capacity limitations
If they order 8 of the same ship, they have plans of their own in mind. The ships these 8 vessels will replace, are Yavuz class Mekos and old Gabyas. Those 8 ships in total have 0 VLS cells, depending on Sea Sparrows and SM-1s for air defence. 8 Istifs will add 128 VLS cells to the navy. As well as double the amount of ASMs. It’s still a huge increase in capability and capacity.

At just over 3000 tons, Istifs in their planned configuration with strike length 16 VLS cells will be able to carry 32 ASMs in a full ASuW configuration. It’s a ship like none other, and is frankly more like the Russian Karakurt and Gorshkov than the NATO counterparts.
 
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If they order 8 of the same ship, they have plans of their own in mind. The ships these 8 vessels will replace, are Yavuz class Mekos and old Gabyas. Those 8 ships in total have 0 VLS cells, depending on Sea Sparrows and SM-1s for air defence. 8 Istifs will add 128 VLS cells to the navy. As well as double the amount of ASMs. It’s still a huge increase in capability and capacity.

At just over 3000 tons, Istifs in their planned configuration with strike length 16 VLS cells will be able to carry 32 ASMs in a full ASuW configuration. It’s a ship like none other, and is frankly more like the Russian Karakurt and Gorshkov than the NATO counterparts.
They are also designed for quad pack, so eventually when quad pack hissar arrives, even if it takes like 5 years or so, these ships will be serving long years so they will be quite well balanced, in time
 

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If atmaca missiles can be fired from midlas,we can convert space of atmaca on istif class to 16 cell midlas,so this ships can cary full atmaca or full siper missiles or combinations of both.
 

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If atmaca missiles can be fired from midlas,we can convert space of atmaca on istif class to 16 cell midlas,so this ships can cary full atmaca or full siper missiles or combinations of both.
It is mentioned that TF2000s won’t carry quadruple Mk-141 angled launchers of Harpoon/Atmaca and Atmaca loads will be carried in the MIDLAS. Hence my comment of 32 Atmacas in Istifs with strike length MIDLAS, which will be in ships 2 through 8, or 5 through 8, unsure.
 

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Istif maybe could capable to carry 32 angled regular Atmaca launchers, space is there i think but weight or balance is within limits ? That part i don't know.
 

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we can convert space of atmaca on istif class to 16 cell midlas,
I'd prefer we convert that space to use slanted midlas launchers. It would be more practical to reload these in a pinch. And it would be just as flexible.
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Metin GÜRAK receives information about Turkey's first national and local smart sea bottom mine, MALAMAN.
Technical specifications: *Diameter: 533mm
*Length: 1,800+ mm
*Weight: 600+ kg
*External body: Composite
*Sensors: Acoustic, magnetic, pressure
*Explosive type: Underwater explosive with plastic bond
*Working depth: 100+ m
*Drop platform: Ship, submarine, aircraft (adaptable to unmanned platforms)
*Fast heating and insensitive to bullet impact
 

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The Underwater Synthetic Aperture Imaging Capability Acquisition (SAS) Project for the development of the National Synthetic Aperture Sonar (MİLSAS) system was signed between the Presidency of Defence Industries and Meteksan Defence Industry Inc. We wish it to be beneficial for our country.

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İt's great news. With synthetic aperture sonar , enemy submarines could not hide themselves. I would love to see all boats of Tuzla class with SAS.

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• Kongsberg HISAS 1032 Dual-Rx Synthetic Aperture Sonar (SAS)

• High resolution: 5x5 cm SAS imagery, 20x20x20 cm SAS bathymetry @ 200 m
• Long range: 500 m @ 2.5 knots, 300 m @ 4 knots
• High area coverage rate: ~4.5 km2/h

There will be neither gap nor false alarm underwater.
 
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