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As promised, USA 🇺🇸 just released the full contents of the $1 Billion usd military aid package for Ukraine. The package comes from the fresh $7.8 Billion usd pool (now $6.8 Billion usd remaining) of Presidential Drawdown Authority authorised by Congress last night.The package was pre-positioned in Poland 🇵🇱 for immediate delivery to Ukraine. It contains the following...

- Bradley M2-ODS IFVs
- Cougar MRAPs
- HMMWVs
- RIM-7 air defense missiles (FrankenSAM)
- AIM-9 air defense missiles (NASAMS)
- Stinger anti-aircraft missiles
- 155mm HE and DPICM artillery shells
- 105mm artillery shells
- 60mm mortar rounds
- GMLRS (HIMARS)
- TOW Missiles (Bradleys)
- Javelin anti-armor systems
- AT4 anti-armor rockets
- Precision aerial munitions (JDAMS)
- Anti-armor mines
- .50 caliber rounds (counter UAV systems)
- Small arms ammunition
- Logistics support vehicles
- Tactical vehicles (towing and hauling)
- Airfield Support equipment
- Claymore anti-personnel munitions
- Demolition munitions
- Night vision devices
- Spare parts, field equipment, training and other equipment.

Note: This package is also expected to include additional ATACMS Ballistic Missiles, however, USA never specifies those directly. Rather, they classify them as "Ammunition for HIMARS" as they did again in this package.

 
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Another failed offensive and we'll likely see the collapse of Western will to arm Ukraine indefinitely.

Ukraine should not repeat the mistakes of the past. They don’t need to repeat the failed offensive. The only thing Ukraine needs to do is to pound Russian positions and destroy as much Russian equipment as possible, while also killing as many Russian soldiers as they can.

They must keep Russian losses very high, in order to exhaust Russia’s weapons stockpiles from Soviet times, while also intensifying attacks on Russia’s oil infrastructure. The goal is not to occupy some tiny hamlet in the Donbas (like Russia is doing now), but to slowly exhaust Russia’s economy, until they realize the war is not worth it and they are willing to voluntarily withdraw from Ukraine just to stop the war.

Ukraine needs to keep human losses at a much lower level than those of Russia, because economically it will receive support from wealthier countries until Russia runs out of money.

Also, Ukraine should not engage in offensive operations until they manage to fully implement the F16s and start to degrade Russia’s air capabilities. They need to prepare for a long war of attrition, and their goal needs to be to inflict as much pain as possible to the Russians, with the lowest cost on Ukraine.

The current Russian offensives all over the front with very small advances and heavy losses are actually good for Ukraine. Once they get even more ammunition, Russian losses will be even higher and Ukraine’s losses will reduce, so keeping a defensive posture while pounding the invaders is the best strategy.
 

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Ukraine should not repeat the mistakes of the past. They don’t need to repeat the failed offensive. The only thing Ukraine needs to do is to pound Russian positions and destroy as much Russian equipment as possible, while also killing as many Russian soldiers as they can.

They must keep Russian losses very high, in order to exhaust Russia’s weapons stockpiles from Soviet times, while also intensifying attacks on Russia’s oil infrastructure. The goal is not to occupy some tiny hamlet in the Donbas (like Russia is doing now), but to slowly exhaust Russia’s economy, until they realize the war is not worth it and they are willing to voluntarily withdraw from Ukraine just to stop the war.

Ukraine needs to keep human losses at a much lower level than those of Russia, because economically it will receive support from wealthier countries until Russia runs out of money.

Also, Ukraine should not engage in offensive operations until they manage to fully implement the F16s and start to degrade Russia’s air capabilities. They need to prepare for a long war of attrition, and their goal needs to be to inflict as much pain as possible to the Russians, with the lowest cost on Ukraine.

The current Russian offensives all over the front with very small advances and heavy losses are actually good for Ukraine. Once they get even more ammunition, Russian losses will be even higher and Ukraine’s losses will reduce, so keeping a defensive posture while pounding the invaders is the best strategy.
I'll add to this that they need to continue to compile long range strike weapons such as Neptune, Stormshadow, SCALP, JASSM and ATACMS, to be used in concert with long range drones, to make Crimea miserable and completely untenable for the Russians to occupy militarily. A corresponding long term plan to destroy the Kerch bridge needs to be part of that strategy.
 

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I'll add to this that they need to continue to compile long range strike weapons such as Neptune, Stormshadow, SCALP, JASSM and ATACMS, to be used in concert with long range drones, to make Crimea miserable and completely untenable for the Russians to occupy militarily. A corresponding long term plan to destroy the Kerch bridge needs to be part of that strategy.

Exactly. They need to destroy that bridge, and I think the moment when the bridge will be destroyed it’s getting closer.
 

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Ukraine should not repeat the mistakes of the past. They don’t need to repeat the failed offensive. The only thing Ukraine needs to do is to pound Russian positions and destroy as much Russian equipment as possible, while also killing as many Russian soldiers as they can.

They must keep Russian losses very high, in order to exhaust Russia’s weapons stockpiles from Soviet times, while also intensifying attacks on Russia’s oil infrastructure. The goal is not to occupy some tiny hamlet in the Donbas (like Russia is doing now), but to slowly exhaust Russia’s economy, until they realize the war is not worth it and they are willing to voluntarily withdraw from Ukraine just to stop the war.

Ukraine needs to keep human losses at a much lower level than those of Russia, because economically it will receive support from wealthier countries until Russia runs out of money.

Also, Ukraine should not engage in offensive operations until they manage to fully implement the F16s and start to degrade Russia’s air capabilities. They need to prepare for a long war of attrition, and their goal needs to be to inflict as much pain as possible to the Russians, with the lowest cost on Ukraine.

The current Russian offensives all over the front with very small advances and heavy losses are actually good for Ukraine. Once they get even more ammunition, Russian losses will be even higher and Ukraine’s losses will reduce, so keeping a defensive posture while pounding the invaders is the best strategy.

Ukraine can pound Russian positions but who do you think is getting pounded harder? the one that is outnumbered 10 to 1 in which that fraction will get more smaller for them by the time the limited amount of artillery ammunition arrives or the one that is outnumbering them 10 to 1? They can kill as many Russians as they can but how is that going to change the outcome of the war?

How high are those Russian losses anyways? They have not launched any major offensive since the start of 2022, in fact right now the frontline is collapsing a little harder for Ukraine. Ukraine has already went through 6 waves of mobilization while Russians have announced only one for reservists. The economy does not look like its declining but increasing according to russian and western sources.

How can they keep those losses low when every major counteroffensive they have launched always resulted in Russia slowly taking their land back without them launching any major offensive since 2022?
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a growing economy with the war going on suggests they are really not running out of money as you think they are.

The F-16 is like the last, "game changing weapon" and they immediately through the aircraft's reputation under the bus from some Ukrainian military officials saying it won't do shit a week later when they bombed one of their airfields that the aircraft was best suited for. Even if we play along with the idea Ukraine has a 100% interception rate through the war they would not have enough SAM missiles even from this package to deal with drones and missiles blowing up their airfields. We don't even the F-16 variation or what air to air missiles it will have.

The current offensives like this week don't seem to look small now, Ukraine's morale is so high for this war that one of their units retreated before trying to even combat the Russians which doesn't make sense because you and among the other users here think Ukraine loses 1 soldier for every 10 Russians. Why would Ukrainian units feel the need to run away before even getting the chance to fight Russians if statistically speaking Russians are inflicted with more deaths and casualties and the Russians have not launched a major offensive since 2022? I am not saying Russian sources are more accurate than Ukrainian sources it's just that Ukrainian sources don't make sense with what is going on in the map
 

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When are we going to see EW systems for Ukrainian troops or their equipment to make it seem the west cares about their victory?
 

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Arrest of the Deputy Defence Minister in ruzzia will send shockwaves throughout the putin's power structures of the Kremlin
Main issue is that there are less or no money as before.
putin neodespot start blaming own circle. Everyone will start wondering who is next, since they are All Corrupt and all were nominated by the most corrupt neodespot putin himself.

 

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"Follow your dreams" - ruzzian mothers way to make money
Seems to have apartment or car "lada" are more valuable than children in ruzzia


Thos simply means she will get enough to repair her new home, she's the one who gave birth to them right?
She can dispose them as she likes since they can't think on their own
 

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Looks like they solved the mobilization problem.
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one thing is not like the other here.
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With either Zelensky or US Claims with such death estimates you should not be having problems managing manpower in Ukraine instead of already seeking out more that have fled Ukraine.
 
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Ukraine can pound Russian positions but who do you think is getting pounded harder? the one that is outnumbered 10 to 1 in which that fraction will get more smaller for them by the time the limited amount of artillery ammunition arrives or the one that is outnumbering them 10 to 1? They can kill as many Russians as they can but how is that going to change the outcome of the war?

How high are those Russian losses anyways? They have not launched any major offensive since the start of 2022, in fact right now the frontline is collapsing a little harder for Ukraine. Ukraine has already went through 6 waves of mobilization while Russians have announced only one for reservists. The economy does not look like its declining but increasing according to russian and western sources.

How can they keep those losses low when every major counteroffensive they have launched always resulted in Russia slowly taking their land back without them launching any major offensive since 2022?
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a growing economy with the war going on suggests they are really not running out of money as you think they are.

The F-16 is like the last, "game changing weapon" and they immediately through the aircraft's reputation under the bus from some Ukrainian military officials saying it won't do shit a week later when they bombed one of their airfields that the aircraft was best suited for. Even if we play along with the idea Ukraine has a 100% interception rate through the war they would not have enough SAM missiles even from this package to deal with drones and missiles blowing up their airfields. We don't even the F-16 variation or what air to air missiles it will have.

The current offensives like this week don't seem to look small now, Ukraine's morale is so high for this war that one of their units retreated before trying to even combat the Russians which doesn't make sense because you and among the other users here think Ukraine loses 1 soldier for every 10 Russians. Why would Ukrainian units feel the need to run away before even getting the chance to fight Russians if statistically speaking Russians are inflicted with more deaths and casualties and the Russians have not launched a major offensive since 2022? I am not saying Russian sources are more accurate than Ukrainian sources it's just that Ukrainian sources don't make sense with what is going on in the map
Are you seriously saying that the Russians never went on the offensive after 2022?
How did they take the “metropolis” of Bakhmut? Avdeevka?
We remember how they rejoiced, as if Paris and London had already been taken by them and they were moving with lightning speed towards New York :ROFLMAO:

Do you know how they do it?
They go on the offensive. If this succeeds, then it means there was a heroic offensive of the Russian knights!!! :LOL:

In case of failure they say: “We haven’t started yet”:)

Explain to me how it is possible to take an entire metropolis:oops: with a population of 50 thousand people, such as Bakhmut, without an offensive?!
Rearguard battles???:unsure:
 
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Ochretyne, North of Avdiivka

Russia advanced that far due to the simple fact that Ukraine's unit defending the the road leading to it simply retreated.

Brother's morale high



More detail coming out of this particular battle


As Russian Troops Broke Through Ukrainian Lines, Panicky Ukrainian Commanders Had No Choice But To Deploy One Of Their Least-Prepared Brigades​

The situation in and around Ocheretyne is desperate for Ukraine
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13 Apr 24, 2024,05:02pm EDT
The Ukrainian army's 100th Mechanized Brigade in training.

The Ukrainian army's 100th Mechanized Brigade in training.
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This weekend, Russian drones and scouts surveilling the front line just west of the ruins of Avdiivka, in eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk Oblast, observed something strange. Ukrainian trenches just east of the village of Ocheretyne, previously manned by soldiers from the Ukrainian army’s elite 47th Mechanized Brigade, were empty.

The village was undefended.

Seizing the opportunity, the Russian army’s 30th Motor Rifle Brigade raced several miles along the railroad threading west from Avdiivka and captured most of Ocheretyne—and potentially also Novobakhmutivka, the village south of Ocheretyne.

It’s the fastest penetration into Ukrainian territory by Russian forces in months—and it threatens to collapse Ukraine’s defensive line west of Avdiivka. A line that has held for months, but now has a deep and widening gap in it. “Pandora's box is open,” Ukrainian analysis group Deep State commented.

To get a sense of how frightened Ukrainian commanders are right now, consider the brigade they rushed into the breach north and west of Ocheretyne: the 100th Mechanized Brigade. The brigade is one of the newest and most lightly-equipped brigades in the Ukrainian army—and seemingly unsuited for the kind of front-line triage commanders are asking of it.

The collapse in Ocheretyne reportedly isn’t the 47th Mechanized Brigade’s fault. That brigade—the main operator of Ukraine’s American-made armored vehicles—was following orders to withdraw from Ocheretyne in order to redeploy to the rear for a much-needed period of rest after spending nearly a year in combat.
The 115th Mechanized Brigade was supposed to take the 47th Mechanized Brigade’s place in Ocheretyne, seamlessly filling the same fighting positions with enough troops to maintain the integrity of the defensive line west of Avdiivka.

But something went wrong. According to Mykola Melnyk, the famed 47th Mechanized Brigade company commander who lost a leg during Ukraine’s counteroffensive last year, “certain units just fucked off.”
The 115th Mechanized Brigade’s failure to hold the line practically invited the Russian 30th Motor Rifle Brigade into Ocheretyne—and triggered a panicky response in Ukrainian headquarters. Commanders ordered the battle-weary 47th Mechanized Brigade to turn around and return to the front line. They also ordered the 100th Mechanized Brigade to counterattack.

The situation in and around Ocheretyne, as of Wednesday.

The situation in and around Ocheretyne, as of Wednesday.
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The 100th Mechanized Brigade is a former territorial brigade—the equivalent of a U.S. Army National Guard unit—that the defense ministry in Kyiv upgraded to the active army in late March.

The 100th Mechanized Brigade isn’t inexperienced: its 2,000 or so troopers have seen action many times in Russia’s 26-month wider war on Ukraine. But the brigade lacks the heavy equipment—Western-made tanks, fighting vehicles and artillery—that gives more elite units such as the 47th Mechanized Brigade much of their combat power.
The 100th Mechanized Brigade fought hard, anyway, intercepting the Russian 30th Motor Rifle Brigade and other units from the Russian 41st Combined Arms Army as they attempted to advance toward the village of Prohres, another seven miles to the west along the same railroad linking Avdiivka to Ocheretyne. “The attempt to advance towards Prohres was stopped by a successful counterattack by the 100th Mechanized Brigade,” Deep State reported.

It’s unclear what might happen next in and around Ocheretyne. For now, Ukrainian troops “hold positions in the western part of the village and maintain fire control over its southern part,” the Ukrainian Center for Defense Strategies noted.

That the Ukrainians had to rush into a combat a comparatively weak brigade speaks to the paucity of Ukraine’s reserves west of Avdiivka, however. The Russians, for their part, are keeping an entire tank division, the 90th, in reserve around Avdiivka.
If the 90th Tank Division rolls into Ocheretyne before the Ukrainian eastern command mobilizes additional reinforcements, the Russian penetration could widen into a full-fledged breakthrough—one that could force tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops to retreat west to their next line of defenses.
For the Ukrainians, the best reason to be hopeful is the $1 billion in fresh munitions the United States rushed to Ukraine in the hours after the U.S Congress finally, after six months of delay, approved additional U.S. aid to Ukraine on Tuesday.
The Ukrainian brigades around Ocheretyne will need every bullet, shell and missile they can get. Especially the lightly-equipped 100th Mechanized Brigade.

 

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Ukraine secretly received more than 100 long-range ATACMS missiles from the United States in March

The New York Times reports this with reference to a senior American official.
 

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Ukraine secretly received more than 100 long-range ATACMS missiles from the United States in March

The New York Times reports this with reference to a senior American official.

Americans could just give the Ukrainians exactly what they need to win this war and it could have ended a year ago. As time passes and we see the selective way in which capabilities are shifted to ukraine, it becomes more and more obvious that the americans want this war to drag out. Shouldn't take two years plus to send longer range capabilities.

Like the tanks, the americans got about 8,000 sitting in storage, they send Ukraine about 30.

Are we still waiting for F16's after hearing about them going for over a year?

Maybe this war goes on another 10 years. In a way its good for anyone who Russia instigates trouble with since being bogged down in a shitty war blunts their power projection, but its terrible for the people of Ukraine.
 

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Russia has also liberated Novobakhmutivka South of it, steadily expanding their flanks from a possible Ukrainian cutoff.


Russia continues to expand their vulnerable flank. Solovyov has been liberated.


Note that most Russian effort in this front has been southward, very soon they'll expand their flank North towards Arhangelskoye

 

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