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Personally hoping this is the beginning of the Russian Federation breaking up.

Islamic world and the Turkic world will be expanded more.

With more Turkic and majority Muslim lands.

Good thing is us Turks have history and cultural ties here. Our influence will be expanded even more.

China, Iran and the Arab countries will barely have any influence here and the Americans would barely able to make any inroads here too.
 

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Putin played well with his second class army in Georgia and Syria and indirectly played in Afghanistan , Libya , Turkey etc. He was able to sell S 400 to Turkey, a NATO member .

But he screwed up in Ukraine which was a bigger price than any of those.

Russia actually had the initiative against us Turks in the geopolitical arena now they have pissed it all in the drain.

Putins chess game is unraveling.
 

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Putin played well with his second class army in Georgia and Syria and indirectly played in Afghanistan , Libya , Turkey etc. He was able to sell S 400 to Turkey, a NATO member .
maybe he was success abroad because the enemy wasn't strong enough and don't have determinations to fight agains russia, and make another country eager to provide support them or less interest. But the ukranians have prove them self as battle hardened badass enemy for RU, if you remember, in the first stage of war, UA has very limited military asset, including small number of bayraktar, but with very brilliant tactic can repel first tier RU army from kiev. all the support came up after Ukranians prove them self worth to get support from many countries.
 

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Above is FULL of Bullshits .
Why ?
You never ever live as slave of russian controlled state.
No offense but you Logic can NOT work.
Ukraine people and many other countries which were Invaded buy russian army after year 1945 WANT FREEDOM and INDEPENDENCE.

How many times Ukraine people have to SAY IT?
THEY want FREEDOM and Independence from russian EVIL Plague. Ukraine people SAY IT -> TO THE END

You do not know what is to be slave
You do not know what is to not have future
You do not know that you do not have right for Justice, Law, Own Culture, Able to write and speak own language

All and more was taken by russians when they invaded all countries. Many able to get back own independence now Ukraine people will do all to get back OWN land

I hope you understand and stop talking things you not understand what those people grandfathers, fathers and their childrens which now are adults gone through
You totally miss understand me and my speech . You don't " read between the lines " . If you think I am a Putin fan or a pro Russian then it is my bad luck .
I am not the first person to say make peace with Russia with giving some land , many European leaders and American leaders also suggested Zeelinsky to do this .
Even Elon Musk suggested to make peace with Putin .
" Do not humiliate Putin " , I think you can't realized this line .
It means , in conventional war Putin is already defeated or about to defeat . It is necessary to save his face . Putin is not a leader like Basher Al Asad or Saddam Hussein or Gaddafi . He is controlling the world's biggest arsenal of unconventional warheads .
You speak like an irritate person what you should not .
" Total defeat " for Putin means Putin lost everything . In this stage he will become unpredictable .
I just want to say , handle Putin with care .
 

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Putin played well with his second class army in Georgia and Syria and indirectly played in Afghanistan , Libya , Turkey etc. He was able to sell S 400 to Turkey, a NATO member .

Georgia a tiny state with no outside support caused damage to Russia. Nothing special about chipping away some land from Georgia, nothing whatsoever. It gained Russia no strategic advantage and pushed Georgia into the lap of Turkey.

Syria is not over yet and after this Ukrainian failure that too could unravel for Putin. Don't forget it was Putins attack on Turkish troops in idlib that first exposed to the world that russian systems are shit. Before that event everyone was saying Russian air defence is the best in the world. Even Obama said he couldnt attack assad because of Russian air defence in Syria.

No this happened.


Then we move to Libya, Russia allied to france and the gulf states supported a criminal warlord in Haftar, they ended up in tripoli a few Km from the city centre, then the Turks got involved with a small footprint and this happened.


Turks were able to end their assault and pile more pressure on Russian systems being utter shit. Today Turkeys position is far stronger in Libya then Russia's is.

Then we go to Azerbaijan, Armenia an ally of Russia was crushed and their was nothing they could do about it. For the first time in history the "frozen conflict" strategy of Russia was defeated. Now Turkey is stronger in the caucuses then Russia is. Azerbaijan is our ally, Georgia needs us and the Armenians hate the Russians for not doing more.

While all this was happening these tricks and tactics the Turks learned against Russian systems and wagner terrorists were being exported and taught to the ukrainians, as a result it played a part in Russias failed assualt on Kiev. Today the Russians are globally humilated and on their way to being removed from Ukraine completely.


Your analysis on events is very simple if i'm being honest. Putin is done and nuking somewhere basically guarantees his death and the end of Russia, and always remember he's a billionaire and material men don't want to die.

Putins invasion also pushed every european nation into the hands of NATO, it alienated the central asian states and most nations on earth now see Russia as an enemy. Putin what a genius, the biggest idiot on earth couldnt have done this much damage to Russia.

And just think Russia hardware got screwed by Turkish drone warfare in 3 prior theatres, Syria, Libya and Azerbaijan did Putin do anything to counter this massive deficiency before invading Ukraine, absolutely not. Brainless.
 
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But he screwed up in Ukraine which was a bigger price than any of those.

Russia actually had the initiative against us Turks in the geopolitical arena now they have pissed it all in the drain.

Putins chess game is unraveling.
Definitely Putin is total screwed in Ukraine .
If we want to read Putin we have to know KGB mind set .
Here is just my some personal findings about Putin .
1. Putin is not a military leader or war strategist.
He was an espionage agent , expert in kiling , assassinating , exploiting , back stabbing and many more.
Is it normal in world history to lost so many generals in a small conflict ?
I don't think so . Perhaps these generals were not so Pro putinist , so Putin let them to die in warfields .
2. So many CEOs and corporate heads , businessman , political leaders died unusually . In one point all of them were same and they all expressed their different opinions and they were eliminated .
3. In Ukraine Putin had not a plan B , he had only plan A and it was march through keyve .
These are only my personal opinion only .
 

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You totally miss understand me and my speech . You don't " read between the lines " . If you think I am a Putin fan or a pro Russian then it is my bad luck .
I am not the first person to say make peace with Russia with giving some land , many European leaders and American leaders also suggested Zeelinsky to do this .
Even Elon Musk suggested to make peace with Putin .
" Do not humiliate Putin " , I think you can't realized this line .
It means , in conventional war Putin is already defeated or about to defeat . It is necessary to save his face . Putin is not a leader like Basher Al Asad or Saddam Hussein or Gaddafi . He is controlling the world's biggest arsenal of unconventional warheads .
You speak like an irritate person what you should not .
" Total defeat " for Putin means Putin lost everything . In this stage he will become unpredictable .
I just want to say , handle Putin with care .
Ever heard of the Vietnam War? Should Vietnam have let the US win to help them "save face"? And what about the Soviet war in Afghanistan? The US war in Afghanistan?

The tactics you're arguing for are called "appeasement" and it's the same failed simp strategy that started WW2.
 

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You totally miss understand me and my speech . You don't " read between the lines " . If you think I am a Putin fan or a pro Russian then it is my bad luck .
I am not the first person to say make peace with Russia with giving some land , many European leaders and American leaders also suggested Zeelinsky to do this .
Even Elon Musk suggested to make peace with Putin .
" Do not humiliate Putin " , I think you can't realized this line .
It means , in conventional war Putin is already defeated or about to defeat . It is necessary to save his face . Putin is not a leader like Basher Al Asad or Saddam Hussein or Gaddafi . He is controlling the world's biggest arsenal of unconventional warheads .
You speak like an irritate person what you should not .
" Total defeat " for Putin means Putin lost everything . In this stage he will become unpredictable .
I just want to say , handle Putin with care .
Fine. Give Myanmar land to achieve peace on your Eastern border. Good idea, right?
 

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Georgia a tiny state with no outside support caused damage to Russia. Nothing special about chipping away some land from Georgia, nothing whatsoever. It gained Russia no strategic advantage and pushed Georgia into the lap of Turkey.

Syria is not over yet and after this Ukrainian failure that too could unravel for Putin. Don't forget it was Putins attack on Turkish troops in idlib that first exposed to the world that russian systems are shit. Before that event everyone was saying Russian air defence is the best in the world. Even Obama said he couldnt attack assad because of Russian air defence in Syria.

No this happened.


Then we move to Libya, Russia allied to france and the gulf states supported a criminal warlord in Haftar, they ended up in tripoli a few Km from the city centre, then the Turks got involved with a small footprint and this happened.


Turks were able to end their assault and pile more pressure on Russian systems being utter shit. Today Turkeys position is far stronger in Libya then Russia's is.

Then we go to Azerbaijan, Armenia an ally of Russia was crushed and their was nothing they could do about it. For the first time in history the "frozen conflict" strategy of Russia was defeated. Now Turkey is stronger in the caucuses then Russia is. Azerbaijan is our ally, Georgia needs us and the Armenians hate the Russians for not doing more.

While all this was happening these tricks and tactics the Turks learned against Russian systems and wagner terrorists were being exported and taught to the ukrainians, as a result it played a part in Russias failed assualt on Kiev. Today the Russians are globally humilated and on their way to being removed from Ukraine completely.


Your analysis on events is very simple if i'm being honest. Putin is done and nuking somewhere basically guarantees his death and the end of Russia, and always remember he's a billionaire and material men don't want to die.

Putins invasion also pushed every european nation into the hands of NATO, it alienated the central asian states and most nations on earth now see Russia as an enemy. Putin what a genius, the biggest idiot on earth couldnt have done this much damage to Russia.

And just think Russia hardware got screwed by Turkish drone warfare in 3 prior theatres, Syria, Libya and Azerbaijan did Putin do anything to counter this massive deficiency before invading Ukraine, absolutely not. Brainless.
I very closely followed all events of Syria , Libya and Azerbaijan .
Putin's major mistake was To attack on Turkish forces in Syria .
In the total history of Russia no country can humiliate Russia so much as the only TB2 drones humiliated them .
It is great to see Turkey in such a good position.
' A total defeat of Russia is not so good for Turkey ' . A balance between west and Russia will keep Turkey in a good position ' . West is also not a so good friend of Turkey .
Ridiculous is , Turkey, a NATO member has so many embergoes by the west , but not by the Russia .
 
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I very closely followed all events of Syria , Libya and Azerbaijan .
Putin's major mistake was To attack on Turkish forces in Syria .
In the total history of Russia no country can humiliate Russia so much as the only TB2 drones humiliated them .
It is great to see Turkey in such a good position.
' A total defeat of Russia is not so good for Turkey ' . A balance between west and Russia will keep Turkey in a good position ' . West is also not a so good friend of Turkey .
Ridiculous is , Turkey, a NATO member has so many embergoes by the west , but not by the Russia .

2016 the Russians killed 3 Turkish soldiers fighting isis as payback because we shot down their plane as they bombed our Syrian Turkmen brothers. Russians also bombed aid convoys.

Then in 2020 alongside the Syrian airforce of Bashar Al assad the Russians killed 30+ Turkish soldiers.

Greatest loss life for the Turkish armed forces in Syria. Turks have not forgotten it one bit. Never forget and never forgive.

Ukraine paid the favour on the anniversary by releasing footage of Russian convoys and Russian soldiers getting bombed by TB2 drones.

Still many Turks believe revenge has to come from Turkish hands if not our ancestors would spit on our faces.
 

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Ever heard of the Vietnam War? Should Vietnam have let the US win to help them "save face"? And what about the Soviet war in Afghanistan? The US war in Afghanistan?

The tactics you're arguing for are called "appeasement" and it's the same failed simp strategy that started WW2.
Scenario is completely different . There were no Americans in Vietnam and no Russians were in Afghanistan . But there are some Russians in this four provinces . This is the difference .
I believe in the integrity of Ukraine .
I am not arguing any tactics but only indicating the endangering of this war , what could happen if not handle with care .
 

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Scenario is completely different . There were no Americans in Vietnam and no Russians were in Afghanistan . But there are some Russians in this four provinces . This is the difference .
I believe in the integrity of Ukraine .
I am not arguing any tactics but only indicating the endangering of this war , what could happen if not handle with care .

His right simp tactics actually got Putin away with Chechnya, Georgia and taking over Crimea and the Donbass.

Because big bad putin will blow the world up if he did not get what he wanted.

He tried this with Georgia and Ukraine 2014 where he got away with it now he tried it again and it backfired.
 

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Scenario is completely different . There were no Americans in Vietnam and no Russians were in Afghanistan . But there are some Russians in this four provinces . This is the difference .
I believe in the integrity of Ukraine .
I am not arguing any tactics but only indicating the endangering of this war , what could happen if not handle with care .
It changes nothing. That there are some Russian speakers there doesn't have any significance at all.

One of the downsides of Russia being a mafia masquerading as a country is that the mafia doesn't like it when business suffers. When the leader does things that are bad for business, the mafia starts looking at getting rid of him. Instead of appeasing Putin, make his mafia suffer and watch them either put a bullet in his head or make him an offer of retirement he can't refuse. And nothing is worse for business than nuclear armageddon, so don't doubt that the instant Putin starts preparing to use a nuke, his mafia will nuke him instead.
 

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I very closely followed all events of Syria , Libya and Azerbaijan .
Putin's major mistake was To attack on Turkish forces in Syria .
In the total history of Russia no country can humiliate Russia so much as the only TB2 drones humiliated them .
It is great to see Turkey in such a good position.
' A total defeat of Russia is not so good for Turkey ' . A balance between west and Russia will keep Turkey in a good position ' . West is also not a so good friend of Turkey .
Ridiculous is , Turkey, a NATO member has so many embergoes by the west , but not by the Russia .
As much as i dont like Russia and their doings you are right, complete destruction of Russia would lead to power vacuum and no balance left at all.
Thats not in Turkeys interest either hence its diplomacy of peaceful resolution.
 
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You totally miss understand me and my speech . You don't " read between the lines " . If you think I am a Putin fan or a pro Russian then it is my bad luck .
I am not the first person to say make peace with Russia with giving some land , many European leaders and American leaders also suggested Zeelinsky to do this .
Even Elon Musk suggested to make peace with Putin .
" Do not humiliate Putin " , I think you can't realized this line .
It means , in conventional war Putin is already defeated or about to defeat . It is necessary to save his face . Putin is not a leader like Basher Al Asad or Saddam Hussein or Gaddafi . He is controlling the world's biggest arsenal of unconventional warheads .
You speak like an irritate person what you should not .
" Total defeat " for Putin means Putin lost everything . In this stage he will become unpredictable .
I just want to say , handle Putin with care .
Your narrative is very Russian-freindly. Why? Because you ignore totally the will of 44 million Ukranian people and put all the responsibility to Zelenski (? Zeelinsky is someone else). Ukrainians themselves decide today whether they want to die in the name of freedom, not West or Musk.

Ukrainians do not let themselves treat like slaves, it became clear already in 2014 when they forced Russian puppy Yanukovsky to leave the president post. Approx. 100 unarmed men and woman were willing to sacrify there lives then and many more are willing to do so now. Why? Because they know they will die anyway, with of without occupation. So where is the point of dying in Siberia instead of dying in Ukraine?

The rest of the world has not much to say. Russia invaded Ukraine, not NATO or anybody else the holy motherland Russia. Russian soldiers are killing Ukrainian mothers and children as we speak. If Putin will nuke Ukraine, then he will. Ukrainians are not afraid of that, this blackmail is directed toward West. Russian hope to force Ukrainians to surrender with help of European countries, using different type of persuasive methods. Like blowing up a gas tube in bottom of the Baltic sea or putting up troll farms in Russia to manipulate with public opinion etc. Main target seems to be the reduction of the independant Ukrainian state into level of merely discussion object whereby maintaining Russian key position over decision making. This was the arrangement after annexation of Crimea and probably could suit the needs of Russia today, after devastating defeat in many battle fronts in Ukraine.

Please note the regression of Russian demands.
January 2022- NATO fuck off from our interest zones in Eastern Europe.
February 2022- Ukraine is not a state and will be conquered before we attack the Europe.
April 2022- Finland and Sweden will be nuked in case of joining NATO.
June 2022- Ukraine will be nuked if they attack Crimea.
September 2022- Ukraine will be nuked if they try to regain back occupied territories.
October 2022- even Elon Musk thinks it is wise to keep only Crimea under Russia...
 
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