Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Azbaroj]

Georgia a tiny state with no outside support caused damage to Russia. Nothing special about chipping away some land from Georgia, nothing whatsoever. It gained Russia no strategic advantage and pushed Georgia into the lap of Turkey.

Syria is not over yet and after this Ukrainian failure that too could unravel for Putin. Don't forget it was Putins attack on Turkish troops in idlib that first exposed to the world that russian systems are shit. Before that event everyone was saying Russian air defence is the best in the world. Even Obama said he couldnt attack assad because of Russian air defence in Syria.

No this happened.

Then we move to Libya, Russia allied to france and the gulf states supported a criminal warlord in Haftar, they ended up in tripoli a few Km from the city centre, then the Turks got involved with a small footprint and this happened.

Turkey changed the game with drones, electronic warfare in Libya and Syria

Turkey changed the game with drones, electronic warfare in Libya and SyriaBritain's defense secretary stressed the “game-changing' role of Turkish drones in ...

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Turks were able to end their assault and pile more pressure on Russian systems being utter shit. Today Turkeys position is far stronger in Libya then Russia's is.

Then we go to Azerbaijan, Armenia an ally of Russia was crushed and their was nothing they could do about it. For the first time in history the "frozen conflict" strategy of Russia was defeated. Now Turkey is stronger in the caucuses then Russia is. Azerbaijan is our ally, Georgia needs us and the Armenians hate the Russians for not doing more.

While all this was happening these tricks and tactics the Turks learned against Russian systems and wagner terrorists were being exported and taught to the ukrainians, as a result it played a part in Russias failed assualt on Kiev. Today the Russians are globally humilated and on their way to being removed from Ukraine completely.

Your analysis on events is very simple if i'm being honest. Putin is done and nuking somewhere basically guarantees his death and the end of Russia, and always remember he's a billionaire and material men don't want to die.

Putins invasion also pushed every european nation into the hands of NATO, it alienated the central asian states and most nations on earth now see Russia as an enemy. Putin what a genius, the biggest idiot on earth couldnt have done this much damage to Russia.

And just think Russia hardware got screwed by Turkish drone warfare in 3 prior theatres, Syria, Libya and Azerbaijan did Putin do anything to counter this massive deficiency before invading Ukraine, absolutely not. Brainless.

I very closely followed all events of Syria , Libya and Azerbaijan .
Putin's major mistake was To attack on Turkish forces in Syria .
In the total history of Russia no country can humiliate Russia so much as the only TB2 drones humiliated them .
It is great to see Turkey in such a good position.
' A total defeat of Russia is not so good for Turkey ' . A balance between west and Russia will keep Turkey in a good position ' . West is also not a so good friend of Turkey .
Ridiculous is , Turkey, a NATO member has so many embergoes by the west , but not by the Russia .

 

[Ryder]

I very closely followed all events of Syria , Libya and Azerbaijan .
Putin's major mistake was To attack on Turkish forces in Syria .
In the total history of Russia no country can humiliate Russia so much as the only TB2 drones humiliated them .
It is great to see Turkey in such a good position.
' A total defeat of Russia is not so good for Turkey ' . A balance between west and Russia will keep Turkey in a good position ' . West is also not a so good friend of Turkey .
Ridiculous is , Turkey, a NATO member has so many embergoes by the west , but not by the Russia .

2016 the Russians killed 3 Turkish soldiers fighting isis as payback because we shot down their plane as they bombed our Syrian Turkmen brothers. Russians also bombed aid convoys.

Then in 2020 alongside the Syrian airforce of Bashar Al assad the Russians killed 30+ Turkish soldiers.

Greatest loss life for the Turkish armed forces in Syria. Turks have not forgotten it one bit. Never forget and never forgive.

Ukraine paid the favour on the anniversary by releasing footage of Russian convoys and Russian soldiers getting bombed by TB2 drones.

Still many Turks believe revenge has to come from Turkish hands if not our ancestors would spit on our faces.

 

[Azbaroj]

Ever heard of the Vietnam War? Should Vietnam have let the US win to help them "save face"? And what about the Soviet war in Afghanistan? The US war in Afghanistan?

The tactics you're arguing for are called "appeasement" and it's the same failed simp strategy that started WW2.

Scenario is completely different . There were no Americans in Vietnam and no Russians were in Afghanistan . But there are some Russians in this four provinces . This is the difference .
I believe in the integrity of Ukraine .
I am not arguing any tactics but only indicating the endangering of this war , what could happen if not handle with care .

 

[Ryder]

Scenario is completely different . There were no Americans in Vietnam and no Russians were in Afghanistan . But there are some Russians in this four provinces . This is the difference .
I believe in the integrity of Ukraine .
I am not arguing any tactics but only indicating the endangering of this war , what could happen if not handle with care .

His right simp tactics actually got Putin away with Chechnya, Georgia and taking over Crimea and the Donbass.

Because big bad putin will blow the world up if he did not get what he wanted.

He tried this with Georgia and Ukraine 2014 where he got away with it now he tried it again and it backfired.

 

[Era_shield]

Scenario is completely different . There were no Americans in Vietnam and no Russians were in Afghanistan . But there are some Russians in this four provinces . This is the difference .
I believe in the integrity of Ukraine .
I am not arguing any tactics but only indicating the endangering of this war , what could happen if not handle with care .

It changes nothing. That there are some Russian speakers there doesn't have any significance at all.

One of the downsides of Russia being a mafia masquerading as a country is that the mafia doesn't like it when business suffers. When the leader does things that are bad for business, the mafia starts looking at getting rid of him. Instead of appeasing Putin, make his mafia suffer and watch them either put a bullet in his head or make him an offer of retirement he can't refuse. And nothing is worse for business than nuclear armageddon, so don't doubt that the instant Putin starts preparing to use a nuke, his mafia will nuke him instead.

 

[Xenon54]

I very closely followed all events of Syria , Libya and Azerbaijan .
Putin's major mistake was To attack on Turkish forces in Syria .
In the total history of Russia no country can humiliate Russia so much as the only TB2 drones humiliated them .
It is great to see Turkey in such a good position.
' A total defeat of Russia is not so good for Turkey ' . A balance between west and Russia will keep Turkey in a good position ' . West is also not a so good friend of Turkey .
Ridiculous is , Turkey, a NATO member has so many embergoes by the west , but not by the Russia .

As much as i dont like Russia and their doings you are right, complete destruction of Russia would lead to power vacuum and no balance left at all.
Thats not in Turkeys interest either hence its diplomacy of peaceful resolution.

 

[UkroTurk]

Ukraine forces break through Russian defences in south, advance in east​

Putin marks low-key birthday as Ukraine pressures mount

Russian President Vladimir Putin marked his 70th birthday with little fanfare and a decree targeting a crucial Western energy investment, as signs grew that key parts of his Ukraine invasion were unravelling to trigger unprecedented criticism at home.

www.reuters.com

Pentagon: Ukraine able to achieve key military targets before winter

Ukraine on track to achieve battlefield objectives -Pentagon official

Ukraine appears on course to achieve several of its key battlefield objectives as Kyiv moves to strengthen its military position against Russia ahead of the winter, a senior Pentagon official said on Monday.

www.reuters.com

Ukraine and Russia: What you need to know right now​

Russia's war on Ukraine latest news: Russia says it resumes participation in grain deal

Russia said on Wednesday it would in a deal to free up vital grain exports from war-torn Ukraine after suspending it over the weekend in a move that had threatened to exacerbate hunger across the world.

www.reuters.com

 

[UkroTurk]

 

[Mailman]

You totally miss understand me and my speech . You don't " read between the lines " . If you think I am a Putin fan or a pro Russian then it is my bad luck .
I am not the first person to say make peace with Russia with giving some land , many European leaders and American leaders also suggested Zeelinsky to do this .
Even Elon Musk suggested to make peace with Putin .
" Do not humiliate Putin " , I think you can't realized this line .
It means , in conventional war Putin is already defeated or about to defeat . It is necessary to save his face . Putin is not a leader like Basher Al Asad or Saddam Hussein or Gaddafi . He is controlling the world's biggest arsenal of unconventional warheads .
You speak like an irritate person what you should not .
" Total defeat " for Putin means Putin lost everything . In this stage he will become unpredictable .
I just want to say , handle Putin with care .

Your narrative is very Russian-freindly. Why? Because you ignore totally the will of 44 million Ukranian people and put all the responsibility to Zelenski (? Zeelinsky is someone else). Ukrainians themselves decide today whether they want to die in the name of freedom, not West or Musk.

Ukrainians do not let themselves treat like slaves, it became clear already in 2014 when they forced Russian puppy Yanukovsky to leave the president post. Approx. 100 unarmed men and woman were willing to sacrify there lives then and many more are willing to do so now. Why? Because they know they will die anyway, with of without occupation. So where is the point of dying in Siberia instead of dying in Ukraine?

The rest of the world has not much to say. Russia invaded Ukraine, not NATO or anybody else the holy motherland Russia. Russian soldiers are killing Ukrainian mothers and children as we speak. If Putin will nuke Ukraine, then he will. Ukrainians are not afraid of that, this blackmail is directed toward West. Russian hope to force Ukrainians to surrender with help of European countries, using different type of persuasive methods. Like blowing up a gas tube in bottom of the Baltic sea or putting up troll farms in Russia to manipulate with public opinion etc. Main target seems to be the reduction of the independant Ukrainian state into level of merely discussion object whereby maintaining Russian key position over decision making. This was the arrangement after annexation of Crimea and probably could suit the needs of Russia today, after devastating defeat in many battle fronts in Ukraine.

Please note the regression of Russian demands.
January 2022- NATO fuck off from our interest zones in Eastern Europe.
February 2022- Ukraine is not a state and will be conquered before we attack the Europe.
April 2022- Finland and Sweden will be nuked in case of joining NATO.
June 2022- Ukraine will be nuked if they attack Crimea.
September 2022- Ukraine will be nuked if they try to regain back occupied territories.
October 2022- even Elon Musk thinks it is wise to keep only Crimea under Russia...

 

[Lordimperator]

Like blowing up a gas tube in bottom of the Baltic sea

Yep

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575462383249768448

 

[Mailman]

We dont realise how the weakening of Russia will benefit Turkiye in the long run.

Russia for centuries has been our biggest enemies.

Still Turkiye should also keep the West at arms length. Turkiye's relations with Poland and the Baltic will grow. No doubt something like a mutual defence pact.

Turkiye can get along fine with Poland and the Baltic. They seem to be understanding at least.

Well, we have a common enemy indeed and Russia has done everything in their power to create such alliances. Türkiye is performing and will play important role in future regarding the Russo-Ukrainian relations, not talking about impressive historic background and cultural inheritage this country has to offer to the world. Just to say, Estonians accepted Christianity only because of crusaders who conquered our land with sword and fire after the final defeat under Constantinopol. Those criminals had to be exploited somehow and so they decided to start crusade against northern regions of Europe, against vikings. Every Estonian remembers this well.

So if Türkiye is willing to honour our small country as a partner, the land populated with ridiculously small number of people and respect our peculiar way of life, we should get along pretty well, I guess.

 

[Era_shield]

Yep

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575462383249768448

This is BS. Their legal agreements don't magically lift liability to Gazprom just because some pipes burst. Happens fairly often with pipes - they need to be maintained. And the loss of potentially much more lucrative trade with Germany in the future is much, much worse than any legal liability for the pipe issue.

 

[UkroTurk]

Putin sent a train with a nuclear arsenal to the borders of Ukraine - media

Experts consider moving the nuclear arsenal a demonstrative move by the Kremlin (illustrative photo)



Military expert Konrad Muzyka noted that the military equipment being transported belongs to the 12th department of the Russian Defense Ministry.

He believes that this is Putin's demonstrative step, which shows the West his determination, in the context of recent statements about protecting the territories of the Russian Federation in any way possible.

In his opinion, "this may be a signal to the West that Moscow is escalating."

However, Muzyka notes that the movement of heavy military equipment belonging to nuclear units does not necessarily mean that Russia is preparing to deploy nuclear weapons in Ukraine.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, as a rule, conducts large-scale exercises of strategic troops in the fall, the expert recalled. Therefore, it is likely that the train is heading to the location of the Grom nuclear deterrence exercise, which was last held in October 2019.

Such maneuvers may indicate Putin's increasingly desperate desire to escalate the war after a series of ignominious defeats on the field in the Kharkov and Kherson sectors of the front, observers say.

At the same time, the movement of special equipment may be some kind of response to the US announced deliveries of HIMARS installations for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Recall, according to Jens Stoltenberg, NATO warned the Russian Federation about the consequences of a nuclear strike.

 

[Glass🚬]

i think russia will use a tactical nuke sometime in the next month/s, they will now annex those parts in east ukraine and if the ukrainians continue to advance then they will be faced with tactical nukes and then we will see the us response.

I concur. I expect Russia to test a nuke in Siberia in a month or so. Just to see the reaction and to show their resolution. And If the Ukrainian advancements continue, they will use a tactical nuke in a location where the death toll won't exceed a few thousand. I cannot guess what will happen after that. It depends on the World's reaction, as you said. Things can escalate very quickly. I'm not so sure of it but my gut feeling tells me that Russia won't get nuked. I don't think any country in the World, including the US, will risk to be decimated by hundreds of nukes for the sake of Ukraine.

This war frightens me. Putin has cornered himself and Russia so badly that he might just say "f**k it" and start pushing the red buttons. If it ever comes to that, I hope his subordinates will refuse and put a bullet in the right place.

seems like our observations were accurate, first the test and then they will probably use a tactical one and see the reaction.

 

[Lordimperator]

they will probably use a tactical one and see the reaction

Oh boi

 

[Fuzuli NL]

I think if Mr Putin really decides to press the red button, he'd be shot in the head right before that.

 

[Kathirz]

Putin sent a train with a nuclear arsenal to the borders of Ukraine - media

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Experts consider moving the nuclear arsenal a demonstrative move by the Kremlin (illustrative photo)



Military expert Konrad Muzyka noted that the military equipment being transported belongs to the 12th department of the Russian Defense Ministry.

He believes that this is Putin's demonstrative step, which shows the West his determination, in the context of recent statements about protecting the territories of the Russian Federation in any way possible.

In his opinion, "this may be a signal to the West that Moscow is escalating."

However, Muzyka notes that the movement of heavy military equipment belonging to nuclear units does not necessarily mean that Russia is preparing to deploy nuclear weapons in Ukraine.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, as a rule, conducts large-scale exercises of strategic troops in the fall, the expert recalled. Therefore, it is likely that the train is heading to the location of the Grom nuclear deterrence exercise, which was last held in October 2019.

Such maneuvers may indicate Putin's increasingly desperate desire to escalate the war after a series of ignominious defeats on the field in the Kharkov and Kherson sectors of the front, observers say.

At the same time, the movement of special equipment may be some kind of response to the US announced deliveries of HIMARS installations for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Recall, according to Jens Stoltenberg, NATO warned the Russian Federation about the consequences of a nuclear strike.

Probably they are handing over the nuclear weapons Ukraine gave them in an agreedment about respecting sovereignity and international recognized borders... And someones are speaking about not "humilliating" (to give them concesions).

If Putin is able to give the order of using them, probably their "last friends" will abandon him pressing also the button of ejection from UN security council thus involving India and China in the "final solution".

Good article on what nuclear experts think about a nuclear strike from Putin:

Nuclear Experts On Chances Of Russia Using Atomic Weapons In Ukraine

We asked top experts about the chances that an increasingly desperate Russia could use nuclear weapons to change its losing hand in Ukraine.

www.thedrive.com

Extra: Ukraine joins Spain and Portugal to held football world cup in 2030.

 

[Kathirz]

Progress in Kherson region:

Sources:

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Starosillya (Kherson region) 🇺🇦 🔸Telegram | 🔹Twitter

t.me

WarMonitor🇺🇦

Kharkiv region: Glushkivka 🇺🇦 Kolisnikivka 🇺🇦 Kruglyakivka 🇺🇦 Kherson region: Blakytne 🇺🇦 🔸Telegram | 🔹Twitter

t.me

It seems a retreat:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1577231154788192257

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Northern, North-Eastern flank of the orks on the right bank of the Dnieper fell. 🔸Telegram | 🔹Twitter

t.me

Also Davidiv Brid

 

[Huelague]

Oh boi

seems like our observations were accurate, first the test and then they will probably use a tactical one and see the reaction.

This is what @Azbaroj tried to explain to yours.

 

[Huelague]

I think if Mr Putin really decides to press the red button, he'd be shot in the head right before that.

As much as I hate Putin in favour of Ukraine. We should never forget who is responsible for this disaster. USA!

Dear Putin, if you want to Nuke someone. Nuke USA. The root of all problems.