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Washington Post | Samuel Ramani:

"Turkey condemns the invasion of Russia, closes the Straits, opposes sanctions, has S400s and is in a mediating position while all this is happening!"
 

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Washington Post | Samuel Ramani:

"Turkey condemns the invasion of Russia, closes the Straits, opposes sanctions, has S400s and is in a mediating position while all this is happening!"
This is the advantage of having relations with both the West and Russia at the same time
It just opens way too many paths; although, it does have its own share of risks as well
 

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In terms of announced military aid for Ukraine, since the outset of the conflict, this is what I've totalled to this point.

USA: $350 million dollars in undisclosed military aid, as a followup to previously announced military aid, that arrived prior to the start of conflict. Likely javelins, stingers, ammunition and other, unknown weaponry.

United Kingdom: An undisclosed amount of additional military aid, after sending 2000 NLAW anti-tank systems previous. One can assume that the next shipment will consist of more NLAW type weaponry, as well as stinger missiles and ammunition. Britain also announced a $500 million dollar loan to Ukraine.

Sweden: 5000 anti-tank weapons, as well as 5000 helmets and 5000 bullet proof vests and 135,000 field rations. They will also sending $52 million dollars ($500 million SEK) to the Ukrainian military.

Finland: 2500 assault rifles, 150,000 rounds of ammunition, 1500 anti-tank weapons, 70,000 rations, 2000 helmets and 2000 bullet proof vests.

Germany: 1000 anti-tank weapons and 500 stinger missiles, 5000 helmets.

Netherlands: 50 anti-tank weapons, 400 rockets, 200 stingers, 100 sniper rifles, 35,000 rounds of ammunition, radar and mine detecting equipment.

Poland: 28 Mig-29 fighter jets and an undisclosed amount of ammunition of varying types, which has already been received.

Czech Republic: 30,000 pistols, 7000 rifles, 3000 machine guns, an undisclosed number of sniper rifles and ammunition, as well as 4000 artilery rockets and fuel.

Slovakia: 100 air defense systems and 486 combined air defense and anti-tank rockets. They are also sending 12000 rounds 120mm ammunition and millions of litres of fuel.

Canada: 125 anti-tank weapons and 2000 rockets. $7.8 million dollars worth of machine guns and ammunition, $25 million worth of helmets, body armor and night vision goggles, as well as a $620 million dollar loan to the Ukrainian government.

Australia: $70 million dollars to NATO, earmarked for missiles and bullets of undetermined types.

Portugal: G3 rifles, ammunition, bullet proof vests, helmets, night vision goggles, radios and grenades of an unspecified amount.

European Union: $450 million dollars of military aid, currently of undisclosed amounts and types. One can imagine that this will be an extensive suite of advanced weapons and hardware.

Turkey: While not officially announced, I think we can all read the room. They're providing MLAL to keep Ukraine's Bayraktar drones operational. I'm sure they're sending other supplies as well, quietly.

Greece: Kalashnikov assault riffles, ammunition and missiles of an unknown quantity / type.

Belgium: 200 anti-tank weapons, 3000 assaults rifles and 3,800 tons of fuel.

Norway: 2000 anti-tank weapons.

Romania: $3 million euros worth of ammunition, bullet proof vests and helmets.

France: Has committed to sending military weaponry for Ukraine, however, has not disclosed what it will send.

Forgive me if I've missed anyone, but this appears to be what has been announced thus far, after looking all around the internet.

One can only wonder if it will be enough to make make the cost high enough for Putin to retreat at some point during the campaign.

Welcome.

That's a nice summary you made there.

The amount of anti-tank weapons and stingers is enormous. These are a serious threat to Russia's campaign going forward.

One of the biggest reasons why the rebels failed in Syria, was because the coalition was hesitant to give them stingers, or more capable air defences.

As we know, Russia prefers to fly low and drop dumb bombs. Stingers can harass their jets, but more importantly can take out their helicopters. If longer range, vehicle mounted air defences are given to Ukraine, they could continue to make the airspace a living hell for Russian jets, even those flying high.

It seems like NATO took all the lessons from Syria and Afghanistan and combined them with Turkey's drone doctrine. Ukraine has been advised and equipped to fight with this new breed of warfare which so far, seems to be highly effective.

Essentially we are looking at guerrilla tactics, excellent anti-armor weaponry along with some air support and ISR, as well as anti-air capabilities + a fairly large amount of armored vehicles, tanks and artillery.

If NATO steps up arms supplies, and provides jets and long range air defences, Ukraine has a chance at making this way too costly for Russia to continue.
 

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Sweden will never enter NATO. Turkey will rightfully Veto its membership. A nation that collaborates with a terror organisation that has conducted suicide bombings against civilians in Turkey and Syria will never enter NATO.

The Swedes can ask for support from the pkk/ypg. They ain't getting it from NATO.

And I hope when the time comes and they ask for it our Government blasts them openly for it.
 

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USAF 23 years ago

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RusAF today

 

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Again, I repeat the US alone has around 4000+ Tomahawk cruise missile in it arsenal, this not yet include at the very least
  1. 50.000 GMLRS missile
  2. close to 3000+ JASSM (Baseline, ER and soon XR)
  3. Unknown number (possibly in the thousands) of SLAM-ER missile
  4. 3700+ ATACMS ballistic missile
  5. 30.000+ AGM-114 Hellfire produced since 1986
  6. 582 AGM-86 nuclear cruise missile
  7. GBU (GPS), Paveway (laser) bombs in the hundred of thousands
  8. 2000 JSOW standoff munitions (that's the numbers for 2005 btw) now could be much more than that.
Its not even a competition
 

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I think you study the war via RT and SANA lmao.

Nobody (except little) actually buys the shit that NATO is to blame for "bombing Syria" lmao. If there's a NATO bombing it would amount very little to what Assad and his Russian+Iranian enablers are doing via barrel bombing.

everytime Putin shills tells me how bad the west by "bombing" Syria. I laughed
what about Irak?
where is that WMD?
are you still gonna laugh about it?
 
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Bulgaria is not going to hand over any MiG-29s: they can't give them away because they do not have any other supersonic fighter jets.

also about polish ones Ukrainian and Polish mig 29s doesn't use the same IFF etc Mig 29 without ground support is a sitting duck We all know that from gulf war.
 
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There seems to be a giant misunderstanding in the social media over the issue of 'Aerial Superiority', but also in regards on how are the Russians using their combat aircraft. Thus, let me explain two things.
1.) Yesterday, the Keystone Cops in Moscow have declared the 'possession of total Aerial Superiority in the skies over Ukraine'.
What does this mean?
In the theories on aerial warfare there are five 'grades' for the level to which air power is exercising control of the skies:
- aerial incapability
- aerial denial
- aerial parity
- aerial superiority
- aerial supremacy.
Each of these five grades has a counter-grade, which is diametrically opposite. Aerial Supremacy for one side means Aerial Incapability for the other; Aerial Superiority means Aerial Denial for the other, etc.
So far, I guess, everything is clear. However, what exactly does the 'Aerial Superiority' mean?
It means that the Russian Air-Space Force (VKS) is 'largely/most of the time, though not yet totally/all the time' free to run combat operations inside the Ukrainian airspace - and that without disruption from the Ukrainian Air Force (UkAF). It means that the UkAF has next to no- or minimal chance of disrupting VKS operations, or causing it losses.
HOWEVER, this does not mean anything like 'all Ukrainian air defences are destroyed'. On the contrary: precisely the fact that these have not all been destroyed is a co-reason why the Keystone Cops in Moscow declared Aerial Superiority, but no Aerial Supremacy, or (to quote the People in Need of Fresh Air - i.e. the Pentagon - from the times of invasion on Iraq, in 2003: 'Total Aerial Supremacy'. Seems, they have their own, sixth grade).
Mind: even once the Russians would conclude (or launch another set of fake news) that they are in possession of 'Total Aerial Supremacy', this would still not mean that 'all the Ukrainian air defences are destroyed'. It would only mean the suppression of the Ukrainian air force and air defence force to the level where the VKS would enjoy the complete freedom of operations inside the Ukrainian airspace.
That would still be far away from 'we've destroyed all their light SAMs, MANPADs, and anti-aircraft artillery, too'.
2.) Video-games of the last 20+ years have created a completely fake impression of Russian aircraft types like Su-30, Su-34, and Su-35. In the West, they are widely praised as 'multi-role', i.e. 'can do everything' aircraft.
Perhaps they can. But if so, then only in theory. Foremost, this is the Western point of view, entirely unrelated to how and why the GenStab in Moscow has ordered the Sukhoi to develop these aircraft, or how is the VKS using them.
The reason the aircraft of the Su-27-family are as big was that originally (back in the 1970s), they were designed to operate over the battlefield in Germany - but from bases in Poland and Baltic states. And this because bases in East Germany were already crammed full with shorter-ranged types. Thus, they had to carry lots of fuel in order to reach the battlefield. That's why they are big. Because they are big, they had to get powerful engines, which was as 'fine', because powerful engines made them 'better dogfighters', and this was important because they were expected to outmatch types like F-15 and F-16, and so on...
Now, in the 1990s, the Indians came to the idea to request the Russians to develop them a 'multi-role variant'. They packed Western computers and other avionics into the big and powerful platform, resulting in the Su-30MKI. That - and all the subsequent and/or resulting variants - made the entire family 'famous' as 'multi-role' fighter-bombers. And that's how the mass of export customers is using these jets until today.
However, in Russia, things are entirely different. In Russia, it's the GenStab that is dictating everything. The GenStab had to take into consideration that Russia is huge, and thus VKS bases are very far from each other.
Big = more fuel = more range = better.
Moreover, along GenStab's theories, the Su-30SM is an 'interceptor', and thus the VKS is using it as an interceptor, and training its crews almost exclusively for this task.
The Su-35 is meant as 'cheaper/simpler/improved sub-variant' of the Su-30, based on the single-seat Su-27. I.e. in the VKS, it is also an 'interceptor' no 'multi-role'.
Actually, along GenStab's theories, there is no 'multi-role' aircraft.
Correspondingly, and because the Su-34 is meant to replace Su-24s, it is a 'light-' or 'front bomber'. Therefore, VKS' Su-34-crews are trained for that task, only. Sure, there was a period, some 6-7 years ago when, after complaints related to experiences in Syria, the VKS did train its Su-34-crews about to go to Syria on R-27s and R-77s. Even then, this was 'for self-defence purposes only'.
This practice was long since abandoned: 'no money and no time for all of that'. Ever since, there is only a minimal training in self-defence with R-73s.
Unsurprisingly, right now - and since this monring - VKS Su-34s are bombing Kharkiv (see attached screen-grab), and then with 'dumb' bombs. Why that? FAB-500M-62 are cheap, and the VKS has next to no stocks of PGMs; cluster bomb units (CBUs) like RBK-500s and OFBA-500 CBUs are 'good' because the Su-34s are still lacking in precision, too.
(No doubt, occasionally, you're going to see a photo of a VKS Su-34 equipped with, say, one or two R-77s. Don't worry: it was either taken in Syria, years ago, or for show purposes only. 'Nothing better but to impress those pesky Anglo-Saxons...' )








 

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Question is, why does TB2 target ruski air defences when it can operate with impunity?
TB-2 are the more survivable assets, but what about Su-25s, MiG's etc ??? Ukraine would need to knock down those SAM so that its fighter could provide low level bombings using frogfoots and low level DCA using MiG's.
Ukrainian Air Force is still very much active and capable!
Ukraine navy also operate TB-2
 

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