Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Saithan]

My ideology is just right not too far
I am mulsim i keep Ramadans,Accept Allah as true God and his religion Islam, but never go inside Mosques ,they here in albania are under Feto control anyway so i dont pray inside Traitor CIA mosques .
My grand gradparents were Ottoman Turk solders fight in IScodra , shkup , kosovo etc for Turkiye . Now whole relatives are shiptars after west brainwsshed them and make enemies of Turks .
I am learning about my Vatan (Turkiye ) history ,geography , politics etc .
I learned alot about GAZI Ataturk aslo which here in Albania is most hated man because of Arabs wehabis ( i aslo hated him just few yers ago )
U aslo should learn ATATURK teaching about Neutrality but whay i am seeing is u becaming cheerleaders of jew imperialist Soros , Feto , LGBTis assfuckers of west mass human killers .
Ataturk drop them to sea , u supporting to invade Beautiful Ukraine land with AZOV catholic psycho extremists that want to genocide every muslim on earth .

Lol, if you think @xenon5434 is anti Atatürk. Then you clearly do not understand him and just like all the filth you’re projecting your own ideologies onto Atatürk.

Let me tell you this, during war of independence everyone helped and fought for Türkiye. Women and children too. Muslim Turks. Religion likely didn’t matter at the time.

Since 90’s the military and wrong politics alienated muslims and especially discriminated against headscarf, that was wrong.

But Turkey was pretty anarchist and had to be fixed, hence the military coups. And wrong policies to some extent.

Today and past 20 years have given us new problems, solution all must serve in the military including women and those with headscarf, send them to hell and let them stand guard there, once they learn the difference between hell and Turkey, we’ll see if they vote with religious conviction or national interest, and that alone will shape our politicians as well. Filth or real decent men.

 

[mulj]

Our present government simply had no alternative but to tapdance their way out of an extremely awkward situation. It is not statesmanship, it is the survival instinct - nothing wrong with having one, of course.

1. Russia is an overwhelming source of arms and ammunition for us, and it is well-known that Russian equipment requires major maintenance and upkeep. Alienating Russia is a sure way of cutting off the stream of supplies and spare parts.
2. Not siding with Russia will also guarantee a closer understanding between Russia and China and Pakistan.
3. Russia admittedly has counter-pressures, and will normally have been happy to keep the supplies flowing. It remains to be seen how much they need to block their production for replacement of battle attrition.
4. Siding with Russia will surely annoy the west.
5. Siding with Russia will not get her out of the China-Pakistan favouring zone.

Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

For any aspiring or already independent nation the most stupid thing to do is to jump into the truck of present massive and loud histerical reactions by EU specifically and their ideological battles on the expense of their own national interests just because they are afraid and what is also dangerous with that is inconsistency of their narrative, so i see no logic to follow it just because they are loud and loaded with money.
When dust settles it will be seen that west also made lot of miscalculations and probably will wake up acknowledging that world has changed and entered in new phase.

 

[Blackbeardsgoldfish]

For any aspiring or already independent nation the most stupid thing to do is to jump into the truck of present massive and loud histerical reactions by EU specifically and their ideological battles on the expense of their own national interests just because they are afraid and what is also dangerous with that is inconsistency of their narrative, so i see no logic to follow it just because they are loud and loaded with money.
When dust settles it will be seen that west also made lot of miscalculations and probably will wake up acknowledging that world has changed and entered in new phase.

I agree with that, this should really show the EU how weak a hand they're playing in the modern world. Maybe they'll manage to turn the ship around and steer it in the right direction, but it'll be hard.

 

[Saithan]

You right they are diversified but it is very small %

Then We come to my part and it is " IF ONLY IF YOU WANT TO USE diversified asset"
YOU MUST converted to Money basket (doller,euro,pound,swiss,yena) then you are caught.

They have 2 option use . First option is use "diversified asset" and convert them as small quantity in money This is only for living.

Second option is use "diversified asset" and convert them in China at big and make busissnes there. This will not gonna happend China will cut them off

ALL BIG Countries NEW THEM and CUT THEM OFF. WEST is Chasing them, PUSHING THEM TO the CORNER and ASK THEM GO back to russia and force putin to back off or you lose. In short to midd time frame Oligarchs are FUCKED HARD

Except in Turkey, buy properties, forests that should be protected and have RTE and AKP contractors build it for you.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

New TB2s have arrived.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498922758985691137

 

[Joe Shearer]

For any aspiring or already independent nation the most stupid thing to do is to jump into the truck of present massive and loud histerical reactions by EU specifically and their ideological battles on the expense of their own national interests just because they are afraid and what is also dangerous with that is inconsistency of their narrative, so i see no logic to follow it just because they are loud and loaded with money.
When dust settles it will be seen that west also made lot of miscalculations and probably will wake up acknowledging that world has changed and entered in new phase.

I expect so, but until we have put our own house in order, in terms of the social compact within our country, and even otherwise in general, we are best advised to learn what is happening, and not broadcast our thoughts and conclusions. We have enough capacity for equitable growth, not the kind of skewed growth that unalloyed capitalism brings, but the kind of fairer growth that, say, a social democracy might offer.
Let the West make its mistakes and learn its lessons; we need not be found in one compromising position or another.
However, my original point was that instead of this being an active element in our foreign policy, it is an enforced choice. That is not a good thing.

 

[Saithan]

Those figures were posted here, from various intelligence agencies. So why would they go from 30 to 80 without any reports of significant troop movement. The conclusion is that they have been made to believe that the majority of the Russian invasion force has not moved from their pre incursion positions. In fact this is what they were saying a few days ago. Now it’s 80%.

You know perhaps the initial 150.000 before invasion started with 30%, but the remaining 70% discovered what happened and resigned and left the military, bringing the overall troop count in Ukraine to 80% so aprox. 56.000

 

[Joe Shearer]

New TB2s have arrived.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498922758985691137

This will probably be even more effective than fighter jets, given that those will be prominent objects attracting hostile attention. Given also that the Ukrainian infrastructure is likely to deteriorate continuously.

 

[mulj]

I expect so, but until we have put our own house in order, in terms of the social compact within our country, and even otherwise in general, we are best advised to learn what is happening, and not broadcast our thoughts and conclusions. We have enough capacity for equitable growth, not the kind of skewed growth that unalloyed capitalism brings, but the kind of fairer growth that, say, a social democracy might offer.
Let the West make its mistakes and learn its lessons; we need not be found in one compromising position or another.
However, my original point was that instead of this being an active element in our foreign policy, it is an enforced choice. That is not a good thing.

there is lot to be said for any particular country like yours but it will dilute topic, so i will reply just on your last sentence in philosophy way, there is no unforced thing in this world.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You know perhaps the initial 150.000 before invasion started with 30%, but the remaining 70% discovered what happened and resigned and left the military, bringing the overall troop count in Ukraine to 80% so aprox. 56.000

Not clear. Russian troops are not volunteers, they are conscripts. Do they have the luxury of resigning? In the middle of hostilities?

 

[Joe Shearer]

there is lot to be said for any particular country like yours but it will dilute topic, so i will reply just on your last sentence in philosophy way, there is no unforced thing in this world.

Fair comment. Let us focus, as you rightly suggest. You may have gathered that not everybody is on the same platform regarding internal political developments, but this is not the place to discuss that. By all means, let us focus.

 

[Vaggos]

Not clear. Russian troops are not volunteers, they are conscripts. Do they have the luxury of resigning? In the middle of hostilities?

No. It's considered desertion. Their only option is asking for asylum in the another country.

 

[tomthebotfly]

Not clear. Russian troops are not volunteers, they are conscripts. Do they have the luxury of resigning? In the middle of hostilities?

Where are the Russian army professionals? Is Russia using mixed brigades with both volunteers and conscripts I thought conscripts would only be used for backline logistics and other non-combat roles. At the same time there were videos of Russian SOF getting beaten the hell out of in Kharkiv and other cities.
Or maybe they lost most soldiers in the daily VDV suicide drop.

 

[SaR]

New TB2s have arrived.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498922758985691137

Not every systems can be delivered and become operational under high intensity war under short time.

 

[Vergennes]

Where are the Russian army professionals? Is Russia using mixed brigades with both volunteers and conscripts I thought conscripts would only be used for backline logistics and other non-combat roles. At the same time there were videos of Russian SOF getting beaten the hell out of in Kharkiv and other cities.
Or maybe they lost most soldiers in the daily VDV suicide drop.

The Russian ministry of defence claimed they only use professional and contract soldiers in Ukraine.

 

[Anastasius]

are you suggesting or thinking that they should do it with much more power??
if US is taking about 4 years to destroy Iraq, decades in Afghanistan, how long you think that the Russian should take to take control of Ukraine??

i haven't seen them using their bomber like those Tu series or their newest fighter like SU57 maybe something older like SU 35.
please post the evidence in here if i was mistaken about those planes.

The US didn't take 4 years to destroy Iraq or Afghanistan. Both Saddam Hussein and the Taliban were crushed within weeks and unlike what's happening here with Russia, where their logistics are completely screwed and their soldiers don't even know what the fuck they're doing, the US took minimal casualties and did everything with a high level of efficiency.

People keep confusing America's misplaced "peace keeping" missions in Iraq and Afghanistan where the US was trying to "westernize" two nations that absolutely did not wish to be westernized with America's ability to curbstomp its enemies into dust. This is why everyone who uses the "haha, you lost in Afghanistan/Vietnam/etc" card is an idiot, because they don't know the difference between political victory and military victory. The modern US military has suffered plenty of political defeats. It has yet to suffer a military one.

I'm pretty sure I've seen a video of Ukrainians scoring a hit on a Tu (or at least it looked like it) but I haven't seen SU-57s in action yet. I'll try and find it.

 

[SaR]

The US didn't take 4 years to destroy Iraq or Afghanistan. Both Saddam Hussein and the Taliban were crushed within weeks and unlike what's happening here with Russia, where their logistics are completely screwed and their soldiers don't even know what the fuck they're doing, the US took minimal casualties and did everything with a high level of efficiency.

People keep confusing America's misplaced "peace keeping" missions in Iraq and Afghanistan where the US was trying to "westernize" two nations that absolutely did not wish to be westernized with America's ability to curbstomp its enemies into dust. This is why everyone who uses the "haha, you lost in Afghanistan/Vietnam/etc" card is an idiot, because they don't know the difference between political victory and military victory. The modern US military has suffered plenty of political defeats. It has yet to suffer a military one.

I'm pretty sure I've seen a video of Ukrainians scoring a hit on a Tu (or at least it looked like it) but I haven't seen SU-57s in action yet. I'll try and find it.

Opposite Shock and Awe

 

[Saithan]

That's strange,
assuming that this map is true, Russian controlled area is getting bigger and bigger and yet most of you guys keep posting how great the Ukrainian destroying Russian asset
it's kind a confusing things to me

Excellent point, I don’t think it looks good because unless you push and retake the areas you’re losing you’ll have lost those areas indefinitely.

 

[Anastasius]

Where are the Russian army professionals? Is Russia using mixed brigades with both volunteers and conscripts I thought conscripts would only be used for backline logistics and other non-combat roles. At the same time there were videos of Russian SOF getting beaten the hell out of in Kharkiv and other cities.
Or maybe they lost most soldiers in the daily VDV suicide drop.

Russian army professionals are definitely there. I saw at least one video of Spetsnaz operatives getting ambushed.

 

[tomthebotfly]

The US didn't take 4 years to destroy Iraq or Afghanistan. Both Saddam Hussein and the Taliban were crushed within weeks and unlike what's happening here with Russia, where their logistics are completely screwed and their soldiers don't even know what the fuck they're doing, the US took minimal casualties and did everything with a high level of efficiency.

People keep confusing America's misplaced "peace keeping" missions in Iraq and Afghanistan where the US was trying to "westernize" two nations that absolutely did not wish to be westernized with America's ability to curbstomp its enemies into dust. This is why everyone who uses the "haha, you lost in Afghanistan/Vietnam/etc" card is an idiot, because they don't know the difference between political victory and military victory. The modern US military has suffered plenty of political defeats. It has yet to suffer a military one.

I'm pretty sure I've seen a video of Ukrainians scoring a hit on a Tu (or at least it looked like it) but I haven't seen SU-57s in action yet. I'll try and find it.

I expect some low-level continued resistance in the case of a Russian-backed coup in Ukraine as well, depending on how well the West supplies them with weapons. Due to its proximity to Europe and land-connection it wouldn't be the hardest thing to pull off. The Ukrainians aren't religious fanatics like the Taliban or ISIS but some civil disobedience or sabotage could be possible, in my opinion.
Also, I am not sure whether the Su-57 even reached operational capability yet, I know only like 10 of them were ever built.