Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[blackjack]

> Russians won't take New Kakhovka
> Russians won't take Melitopol
> Russians won't take Berdyansk
> Russians won't take Kherson
> Russians won't take Volnovakha
> Russians won't take Izyum
> Russians won't take Mariupol
> Russians won't take Liman
> Russians won't take Svetlodarsk
> Russians won't take Rubezhnoe
> Russians won't take Severodonetsk
> Russians won't take Lisichansk
we are here
> Russians won't take Seversk
> Russians won't take Bakhmut
> Russians won't take Slavyansk
> Russians won't take Kramatorsk
> Russians won't take Avdeevka
> Russians won't take Zaporojie
> Russians won't take Nicolaev
> Russians won't take Odessa
> Russians won't take Kharkov
> Russians won't take Dnepropetrovsk
And so on. If I happened to be a paid shill that posts here, reddit, 4chan /k/, 4chan /uhg/, space battle forum and twitter even I would have quit my job long time ago. I mean guess its awesome they got HIMARs, drones and killing 1 million DPR troops and chechens on news headlines but what has it changed? no one blame me for being bored out of my mind.

 

[what]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1543201472829181957

Not sure if this was posted before, but its another sign that Turkey is providing something while keeping hush about it.

 

[UkroTurk]

Armed forces of Ukraine knocked out invaders from Ivanovka in Kherson region

The Ukrainian Defense Forces repelled the offensive in the Novomikhailovka area and forced the enemy to leave Ivanovka. This is stated in the evening summary of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Saturday, July 2.

In particular, in the Yuzhnobuzh direction, the invaders continue systematic shelling of civilian and military infrastructure from cannon and rocket artillery. Conduct aerial reconnaissance UAVs.

As a result of the actions of Ukrainian soldiers, the enemy left the village of Ivanovka.

As i said before Kherson is getting closer to freedom.

Arestovich: "The issue of the enemy group in Kherson can be resolved in a week. Enough just 5 HIMARS."

 

[UkroTurk]

The number of liberated and occupied settlements

"The armed forces of Ukraine have liberated more than a thousand settlements, but another 2.6 thousand cities and villages remain under the occupation of the Russians." On Saturday, July 2, President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky announced this in a video message.


At the same time, the head of state noted that the situation at the front remains difficult. The Russian invaders continue offensive operations in the East and attempts to hold positions in the South.

"The Russian army continues to send missiles to our cities. As the evening , six missile were able to hit from 12 missile attacks. On Nikolayev, on the Donbass... Air strikes continued," the head of state said.

"Fierce hostilities are going on along the entire front line, in the Donbass - the epicenter, of course, in the cities of the Lugansk region. Enemy activity is intensifying in the Kharkiv region. We managed to expel the invaders from Ivanovka, Kherson region, we continue to put pressure on the south of our state," the president said.

The Ukrainian leader also noted that the restoration of Ukrainian territories after Russian aggression would require huge investments, and this is an opportunity for other states and companies to prove themselves.

He recalled that on Monday a special conference on the restoration of Ukraine will be held in Lugano, Switzerland.

 

[UkroTurk]

"Asks from Tajikistan":


Putin is looking for weapons for the war in Ukraine-Zhdanov

According to Zhdanov, Putin gathered the CSTO countries, which are located in Asia, to resolve the issue of arms supplies.


In order to continue the invasion of Ukraine, Russian dictator Vladimir Putin is already asking for weapons from the countries of Central Asia, while trying to regain his influence there.

“There are no large stocks there, their weapons are mostly Soviet, which is why Putin is asking for them. So that they remove from storage or give away what is in contacts, or give away what is in military units so that the Russian Federation can quickly replenish their stocks with technically serviceable weapons. The main issue is the technical serviceability of these weapons. At the same time, as I understand it, he tried to ensure their safety and protection from the Russian Federation from any external enemies," Zhdanov said.

“Because Belarus is already supplying both ammunition and weapons, which it is removing from long-term storage. <...> But the second event was a conference of the countries of the Caspian basin. This is an attempt to legitimize Putin himself at the international level, to show that Russia today not on the margins of international politics, but has some influence, and has some leverage in the international arena," he added.

As UNIAN reported earlier, on June 29, Oleg Zhdanov assessed the chances of the Russian invaders to launch a new offensive in Ukraine. According to him, Russian troops in Ukraine are already occupying defensive positions in most areas. This is disastrous for the enemy, the invaders do not understand what to do next.

 

[Kathirz]

One can always withdraw from or call off a treaty. Common sense dictates that consequences resulting form such a withdrawal will arise.
Were Ukraine and NATO ready to face these consequences in 2014 and February 2022?

One should be aware of the opponent who have in front of him, that doesn't mean that a bigger opponent will result in a mayor certainty, just something different. Our values will indicate what might be better for human beings.
Thanks for your answer I think we will benefit ourselves hearing and understading others point of views.

 

[Era_shield]

> Russians won't take New Kakhovka
> Russians won't take Melitopol
> Russians won't take Berdyansk
> Russians won't take Kherson
> Russians won't take Volnovakha
> Russians won't take Izyum
> Russians won't take Mariupol
> Russians won't take Liman
> Russians won't take Svetlodarsk
> Russians won't take Rubezhnoe
> Russians won't take Severodonetsk
> Russians won't take Lisichansk
we are here
> Russians won't take Seversk
> Russians won't take Bakhmut
> Russians won't take Slavyansk
> Russians won't take Kramatorsk
> Russians won't take Avdeevka
> Russians won't take Zaporojie
> Russians won't take Nicolaev
> Russians won't take Odessa
> Russians won't take Kharkov
> Russians won't take Dnepropetrovsk
And so on. If I happened to be a paid shill that posts here, reddit, 4chan /k/, 4chan /uhg/, space battle forum and twitter even I would have quit my job long time ago. I mean guess its awesome they got HIMARs, drones and killing 1 million DPR troops and chechens on news headlines but what has it changed? no one blame me for being bored out of my mind.

Delusional Russian, you very conveniently omitted the most important one:

Russians won't take Kiev

If I happened to be a paid shill that posts here, reddit, 4chan /k/, 4chan /uhg/, space battle forum and twitter even I would have quit my job long time ago.

Shilling without being paid is even more pathetic.

 

[blackjack]

Russians won't take Kiev

i heard that 100 times before as well and we know how that goes

 

[Jagdflieger]

One should be aware of the opponent who have in front of him, that doesn't mean that a bigger opponent will result in a mayor certainty,

Are we talking about e.g. military or e.g. economy?
Military wise - Russia surpasses Ukraine and their given military support by far. - That is why so far Russia has managed to occupy ca. 20-25% of Ukraine.
And we need to keep in mind that Russia has only used a fraction (20-25%) of it's military assets.(aside from artillery) Whilst Ukraine is utilizing 100% of it's military assets plus getting/gotten all kinds of NATO weapon support in the past 7-8 years.
So far this war has been restricted to almost 80% urban warfare (extremly difficult for any attacker) - with Ukraine having additionally fortified/readied it's positions since 2014.
How will the Ukrainians perform - once this war (IMO in about 3-5 weeks) goes into the open country/fields?

Economy - Brexit became a costly issue for the UK - because the EU is far more powerful and thus dictates the game - aside from UK's contractual commitments.
Ukraine is effectively bankrupt - It's GDP from 2022 is now compared to 2021 down by 50-60%. Their financed military dept alone is already more then US$60 billion with a projected GDP of US$ 40-80 billion by years end. 12 million displaced persons within Ukraine and 7 million outside the Ukraine - therefore 50% of it's population effectively with more or less no income. The presently remaining/residing Ukrainians about 22 million people - about half? are with no job/income.

Russia; so far more or less no proven GDP downfall at all (let's not forget that military production is included in a GDP) - an economic reduction of maybe 5-10% is expected to come in only next year. Internal/foreign debt or State bonds is another topic/as such not beheld in a GDP. That would be Debt to GDP ratio.

just something different. Our values will indicate what might be better for human beings.

Maybe - depending on the country and it's continental/culture region - but these values on both sides always came in majority with weapons aka war. Aside from "peaceful" peoples revolutions as in Poland/ Czechoslovakia, etc.

According to latest news - these values are right now being "reconsidered"/"reevaluated" - especially by the US military and it's government.

Thanks for your answer I think we will benefit ourselves hearing and understading others point of views.

That would be the point of having discussions

 

[Era_shield]

i heard that 100 times before as well and we know how that goes

Yes we do - with Russia's defeat. Remember that?

Keep beclowning yourself there buddy, it's definitely improving Russia's image abroad for everyone to see that its brainwashed defenders are completely divorced from reality.

 

[Jagdflieger]

Yes we do - with Russia's defeat. Remember that?

Keep beclowning yourself there buddy, it's definitely improving Russia's image abroad for everyone to see that its brainwashed defenders are completely divorced from reality.

The only one's "clowning" around are those who constantly only state personal opinions and insults towards others - without ever being able to bring in a substantiated post - that might at least add some credence to their personal opinions or believes.

 

[Era_shield]

The only one's "clowning" around are those who constantly only state personal opinions and insults towards others - without ever being able to bring in a substantiated post - that might at least add some credence to their personal opinions or believes.

Oh goodie, a lecture from a delusional Marxist living in a dystopian police state which is currently committing genocide

 

[Jagdflieger]

Oh goodie, a lecture from a delusional Marxist living in a dystopian police state which is currently committing genocide

Perfect example of "clowning" - thanks for proofing a point.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

> Russians won't take New Kakhovka
> Russians won't take Melitopol
> Russians won't take Berdyansk
> Russians won't take Kherson
> Russians won't take Volnovakha
> Russians won't take Izyum
> Russians won't take Mariupol
> Russians won't take Liman
> Russians won't take Svetlodarsk
> Russians won't take Rubezhnoe
> Russians won't take Severodonetsk
> Russians won't take Lisichansk
we are here
> Russians won't take Seversk
> Russians won't take Bakhmut
> Russians won't take Slavyansk
> Russians won't take Kramatorsk
> Russians won't take Avdeevka
> Russians won't take Zaporojie
> Russians won't take Nicolaev
> Russians won't take Odessa
> Russians won't take Kharkov
> Russians won't take Dnepropetrovsk
And so on. If I happened to be a paid shill that posts here, reddit, 4chan /k/, 4chan /uhg/, space battle forum and twitter even I would have quit my job long time ago. I mean guess its awesome they got HIMARs, drones and killing 1 million DPR troops and chechens on news headlines but what has it changed? no one blame me for being bored out of my mind.

Russians will take the entirety of Ukraine within 48 hours.
Kadirovites would invade Poland in 6 seconds.

Happy?

 

[Era_shield]

[Marxist clicking noises]

 

[Tayfun Ozberk]

Hi everyone. Here is a Sunday read for you.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1543506679106519042

 

[Jagdflieger]

[Marxist clicking noises}

keep "clowning" it's all you can seem to do

 

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> Russians won't take New Kakhovka
> Russians won't take Melitopol
> Russians won't take Berdyansk
> Russians won't take Kherson
> Russians won't take Volnovakha
> Russians won't take Izyum
> Russians won't take Mariupol
> Russians won't take Liman
> Russians won't take Svetlodarsk
> Russians won't take Rubezhnoe
> Russians won't take Severodonetsk
> Russians won't take Lisichansk
we are here
> Russians won't take Seversk
> Russians won't take Bakhmut
> Russians won't take Slavyansk
> Russians won't take Kramatorsk
> Russians won't take Avdeevka
> Russians won't take Zaporojie
> Russians won't take Nicolaev
> Russians won't take Odessa
> Russians won't take Kharkov
> Russians won't take Dnepropetrovsk

Today Russia controls much LESS territory in Ukarine than 3.5 month's ago.

Also I should remind u that before the war Russian propaganda claimed they will take Kiev in 2-3 days

For better perspective, here official Russian map from around 20 March:

Green - territories liberated territories from Russian occupation.
Blue - territory captured by Russia in 3.5 months of fierce offensive, throwing literally everything they have.

 

[Mailman]

The only one's "clowning" around are those who constantly only state personal opinions and insults towards others - without ever being able to bring in a substantiated post - that might at least add some credence to their personal opinions or believes.

I am personally happy about this discussion, unfortunately becoming too personal lately. Who said it: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."? Kind of basic value for the free world, isn't it?
I am sure my opponent Jagdflieger has his own reasons to express his opinions as they are. For me, those represent (China's?) chauvinism, trying to project the invincibility properties of the aggressor. Small nations should surrender silently whatever and whenever a stronger country decides to conquer those because resistance is pointless. Very convenient, indeed.

Well, freedom is not for free. The nations whose representatives will not want to die for it will vanish. Democracy has its own flaws for sure, one of them is to focus on citizens' prosperity rather than pumping its military muscles. The constant political fight and problems to find consensus remain always a challenge, but it is also a strength. This damn compromise is usually the right answer, as proven in practice so many times. The only condition is that this compromise should grow from an unbiased basis. As soon as somebody thinks he owns the truth, he is doomed. Societal challenges are never easy ones and if mr. Putin or mr. Xi thinks they know it all- well, think twice.

Me, personally, having experience living in two different social systems- socialism and capitalism, I like the latter one. I am free to think and express my opinion now, invent my own path suitable for me. Personal freedom is worth dying for to pass this freedom to my children despite the lullaby of Chinese superiority or the Russian World. Russians have a good saying regarding latter:

Лапша На Уши (hang spaghetti over my ears)​

 

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1543493624570281984