Live Conflict War in Afghanistan

[Dalit]

yes and they appeared to be friendly with India also.

Taliban Tells India That It Believes In Peaceful Coexistence - Reporterly

Kabul: Amid the withdrawal of US and NATO forces from Afghanistan ahead of the September 11 deadline set by US

reporterly.net

They are keeping all channels open. Exactly what I said previously. Although India has denied this.

Now it is our turn to play games. US/NATO and its clown brigade had a chance and they blew it.

We are waiting for a full US/NATO departure from Afghanistan. The first thing Pakistan is going to do is sit on the table with all Afghan parties and regional nations such as China, Iran and Russia. Pakistan is going to facilitate regional peace and trade.

 

[Dalit]

doesn't matter Pashtun or not, you can't change history. Taliban was formed in 1994, while the last Soviet troops left Afghanistan in 1989. So there's no such thing as Westerners supporting the Talibs.

No one is stopping Pakistan to do anything it wants, but do mind to remember that not all will go as much as it whims to do.

Small details. Fact remains that the Taliban and Northern Alliance fought together against the Russians. Back then US/NATO praised both as freedom fighters. The Taliban won and the US/NATO gang lost. That is eventually all that matters.

Wrong. The US and NATO nations have demanded Pakistan to end all engagement with certain regional countries. US/NATO accusations against Pakistan is also no secret.

 

[Gary]

Small details. The Taliban won and the US/NATO gang lost. That is eventually all that matters.

small details which still translate to misinformation.

on the other hands, US exit from Afghanistan means they're returning back to great power competition where it matters the most, The Pacific.

Wrong. The US and NATO nations openly ask Pakistan to end all engagement witj regional countries and Afghanistan.

well it's not exclusively Pakistan tho, they also asked Central Asian cooperation for basing, which means they're also in negotiation with Russia.

 

[Dalit]

small details which still translate to misinformation.

on the other hands, US exit from Afghanistan means they're returning back to great power competition where it matters the most, The Pacific.

well it's not exclusively Pakistan tho, they also asked Central Asian cooperation for basing, which means they're also in negotiation with Russia.

Saying that Taliban and Northern Alliance were one faction isn't misinformation. They were one unit and only seperated after the US/NATO packed its bags and left everyone high and dry.

The US has been on the losing side of all duels and wars. Not a great track record. I don't think the US will win against China and Russia. Too big adversaries who will fight tooth and nail. Besides, after spending trillions and spilling innocent blood you can't just walk away and pretend you have other things on your mind. It sounds duplicitous and wrong.

The Americans won't be getting anything near to Afghanistan. Not from Pakistan not from CAS. It is total defeat and humiliation. Saigon all over again.

 

[Gary]

Saying that Taliban and Northern Alliance were one faction isn't misinformation. They were one unit and only seperated after the US/NATO packed its bags and left everyone high and dry.

The US has been on the losing side of all duels and wars. Not a great track record. I don't think the US will win against China and Russia. Too big adversaries who will fight tooth and nail. Besides, after spending trillions and spilling innocent blood you can't just walk away and pretend you have other things on your mind. It sounds duplicitous and wrong.

The Americans won't be getting anything near to Afghanistan. Not from Pakistan not from CAS. It is total defeat and humiliation. Saigon all over again.

The Taliban and Northern alliance fought each other during the 90s, and the the west (as well as Iran) supported the Northern alliance against the Taliban. Calling them as one is the very definition of a misinformation and spread of hoax.

One more thing leaving Afghanistan to be ruled by an Islamic fundamentalists are actually pro move by the US against it's adversary in the region namely Iran, Russia and China. Especially Islam fundamentalists phobia country like China. Now China will have to constantly check it's rear while also preoccupied with escalations by the west in the Pacific , which is goooood.

no matter how much Taliban spox stresses friendship will not affect Beijing's psyche against having an Islamist fundamentalist literally next door. That's why China is showing unease by US troops pullout.

 

[Dalit]

The Taliban and Northern alliance fought each other during the 90s, and the the west (as well as Iran) supported the Northern alliance against the Taliban. Calling them as one is the very definition of a misinformation and spread of hoax.

One more thing leaving Afghanistan to be ruled by an Islamic fundamentalists are actually pro move by the US against it's adversary in the region namely Iran, Russia and China. Especially Islam fundamentalists phobia country like China. Now China will have to constantly check it's rear while also preoccupied with escalations by the west in the Pacific , which is goooood.

no matter how much Taliban spox stresses friendship will not affect Beijing's psyche against having an Islamist fundamentalist literally next door. That's why China is showing unease by US troops pullout.

The fighting between Taliban and Northern Alliance only happened after both fought against the Russians on behalf of US/NATO. A well documented historical fact. To say that Taliban and Northern Alliance were enemies all along is factually incorrect.

That is wishful thinking by those that support US/NATO. After a heavy defeat it is pretty normal for the opposing side to fabricate excuses and pretend that they are still in charge and on the winning side. The truth is that Iran, China, Russia and Pakistan have all covertly supported the Taliban. All have channels with the Taliban. The US/NATO received an incredible spanking. With all their military and economic might they couldn't score a comprehensive victory in Afghanistan. Not because the Taliban are strong, but simply because the neighboring countries don't want US/NATO presence in the region.

Did you really think that Russia, China, Pakistan and Iran were going to sit idle and watch how US/NATO was going to setup their colony in our backyard?

Now watch what happens next. China is going to move into Afghanistan and tap the trillions worth of minerals. That will happen through CPEC and all the haters will fume. In fact they already know the score and are throwing kneejerk reactions through MSM. You haven't seen anything yet. This is not even the beginning of things.

Russia, China, Iran Step Up Talks as Afghanistan Loses Border Control

China, Russia and Iran are stepping up talks geared toward preserving stability across Central Asia, including in Afghanistan, where the country's government is rapidly losing control of its borders to Taliban advances in the wake of a U.S. military withdrawal.

www.newsweek.com

China blames ‘abrupt’ US withdrawal for Afghanistan attack surge

Chinese foreign ministry takes aim at United States after deadly bombings at Kabul girls’ school.

www.scmp.com

Taliban calls China a 'friend', promises not to host Uyghur militants in Afghanistan: Report

Earlier this week, Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi said that Beijing and Islamabad need to defend regional peace together as the Afghanistan issue has implications for both countries.

www.hindustantimes.com

Taliban outlaws Uyghur Muslim fighters in bid to befriend China

The Taliban is hoping to talk to Beijing about investing in reconstruction work in Afghanistan as soon as possible

www.telegraph.co.uk

Afghanistan’s Taliban, Now on China’s Border, Seek to Reassure Beijing

Despite past support for Uyghur militants in Xinjiang, the Taliban say they won’t interfere in China’s internal affairs as they continue their advance across Afghanistan.

www.wsj.com

China looks to step up cooperation with Pakistan as Taliban makes gains in Afghanistan

"China, along with Pakistan, is willing to continue support for all parties in Afghanistan to seek a political solution through dialogue and lead to ethnic reconciliation and long-lasting peace," Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi was quoted as saying by Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post on...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

China Has a BIG Plan for Post-U.S. Afghanistan—and It’s Worth Billions

Beijing just can’t wait for the U.S. to get out of the way.

www.thedailybeast.com

If the US/NATO decide to play spoiler that too will have consequences.

 

[Huelague]

I doubt it. You are out now and China, Pakistan, Russia, Turkey and Iran are in. This is not the Taliban of the 80s and 90s. The Taliban have relations and contacts with all neighboring countries. Did you really think you were fighting the Taliban? LOL The US has admitted that China and Russia have been supporting the Taliban. The Taliban are just foot soldiers. US/NATO has been fighting regional countries who don't want US/NATO presence in their backyard. That is the full story.

Trust me. You are not coming back. The major powers Russia and China will make sure of that.

Russia doesn’t have any saying in Afghanistan. China is only willing in business and doesn’t care the rest. We have good relations with Afghans. Russia not. Same goes for China.

 

[Dalit]

Russia doesn’t have any saying in Afghanistan. China is only willing in business and doesn’t care the rest. We have good relations with Afghans. Russia not. Same goes for China.

Russia is much closer geographically to Afghanistan than Turkey. They will seek a stake. A bigger stake than Turkey I can assure you. There is a reason why Russia, China and Iran all in contact with the Taliban. They have already accepted the reality. Taliban are the new government in Afghanistan.

 

[Gary]

The fighting between Taliban and Northern Alliance only happened after both fought against the Russians on behalf of US/NATO. A well documented historical fact. To say that Taliban and Northern Alliance were enemies all along is factually incorrect.

That is wishful thinking by those that support US/NATO. After a heavy defeat it is pretty normal for the opposing side to fabricate excuses and pretend that they are still in charge and on the winning side. The truth is that Iran, China, Russia and Pakistan have all covertly supported the Taliban. All have channels with the Taliban. The US/NATO received an incredible spanking. With all their military and economic might they couldn't score a comprehensive victory in Afghanistan. Not because the Taliban are strong, but simply because the neighboring countries don't want US/NATO presence in the region.

Did you really think that Russia, China, Pakistan and Iran were going to sit idle and watch how US/NATO was going to setup their colony in our backyard?

Now watch what happens next. China is going to move into Afghanistan and tap the trillions worth of minerals. That will happen through CPEC and all the haters will fume. In fact they already know the score and are throwing kneejerk reactions through MSM. You haven't seen anything yet. This is not even the beginning of things.

Russia, China, Iran Step Up Talks as Afghanistan Loses Border Control

China, Russia and Iran are stepping up talks geared toward preserving stability across Central Asia, including in Afghanistan, where the country's government is rapidly losing control of its borders to Taliban advances in the wake of a U.S. military withdrawal.

www.newsweek.com

China blames ‘abrupt’ US withdrawal for Afghanistan attack surge

Chinese foreign ministry takes aim at United States after deadly bombings at Kabul girls’ school.

www.scmp.com

Taliban calls China a 'friend', promises not to host Uyghur militants in Afghanistan: Report

Earlier this week, Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi said that Beijing and Islamabad need to defend regional peace together as the Afghanistan issue has implications for both countries.

www.hindustantimes.com

Taliban outlaws Uyghur Muslim fighters in bid to befriend China

The Taliban is hoping to talk to Beijing about investing in reconstruction work in Afghanistan as soon as possible

www.telegraph.co.uk

Afghanistan’s Taliban, Now on China’s Border, Seek to Reassure Beijing

Despite past support for Uyghur militants in Xinjiang, the Taliban say they won’t interfere in China’s internal affairs as they continue their advance across Afghanistan.

www.wsj.com

China looks to step up cooperation with Pakistan as Taliban makes gains in Afghanistan

"China, along with Pakistan, is willing to continue support for all parties in Afghanistan to seek a political solution through dialogue and lead to ethnic reconciliation and long-lasting peace," Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi was quoted as saying by Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post on...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

If the US/NATO decide to play spoiler that too will have consequences.

Taliban exist in 1994 long after the Soviet retreat. Imagine having to lie to forward your agenda. It's a historical fact that the west has nothing to do arming or even allying themselves with the Taliban.

If you think your Pakistan could do anything about Taliban then I'll have to remind you that the Taliban is not subordinate to the State of Pakistan or any of it's leaders.

Pakistan cannot dictate us: Taliban spokesman

KARACHI: The spokesperson for the Tehreek-e-Taliban Afghanistan Suhail Shaheen has said that Pakistan is welcome to help the Taliban arrive at a negotiated settlement in Afghanistan but it cannot...

www.google.com

We'll see about that later, the thing is China, Russia and Iran are all freaking out about US withdrawal from Afghanistan, just check their MoFA and official statements regarding the Taliban advance.

Russia-led CSTO bloc 'to mobilise' if Taliban push mars Afghan-Tajik border

Moscow says it's ready to help Tajikistan deal with threats from neighbouring Afghanistan and that CSTO military alliance will need to cooperate actively to protect its southern flank.

www.google.com

 

[Dalit]

Taliban exist in 1994 long after the Soviet retreat. Imagine having to lie to forward your agenda. It's a historical fact that the west has nothing to do arming or even allying themselves with the Taliban.

If you think your Pakistan could do anything about Taliban then I'll have to remind you that the Taliban is not subordinate to the State of Pakistan or any of it's leaders.

Pakistan cannot dictate us: Taliban spokesman

KARACHI: The spokesperson for the Tehreek-e-Taliban Afghanistan Suhail Shaheen has said that Pakistan is welcome to help the Taliban arrive at a negotiated settlement in Afghanistan but it cannot...

www.google.com

We'll see about that later, the thing is China, Russia and Iran are all freaking out about US withdrawal from Afghanistan, just check their MoFA and official statements regarding the Taliban advance.

Russia-led CSTO bloc 'to mobilise' if Taliban push mars Afghan-Tajik border

Moscow says it's ready to help Tajikistan deal with threats from neighbouring Afghanistan and that CSTO military alliance will need to cooperate actively to protect its southern flank.

www.google.com

You lost and we won. Deal with it.

LOL Russia, China and Russia are having talks with the Taliban as we speak. LOL at China, Russia and Iran are worried. These countries are the reason why US/NATO got its rear kicked. Did you really think you were fighting against the Taliban? Think again. There is no need to pat yourself on the back. Just admit your defeat and move on.

You are not ever coming back to Afghanistan. We will make sure of that after stepping in.

Just wait and see. You haven't seen a thing yet. The fun will begin once you guys are out. Pakistan along with all neighboring countries excluding US/NATO ally India are going to facilitate trade and peace.

Pakistan, other neighbours concerned at Afghanistan situation, PM Imran says in Tashkent

PM says countries such as Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Iran, and Turkey "will try and help facilitate a peace process in Afghanistan".

www.dawn.com

Border sealed as Taliban seize Afghan frontier town

The premier has also invited other leaders to an international conference on Afghanistan to be organised by Pakistan soon.

www.dawn.com

Surprise surprise. The region is suddenly interconnecting.

As for US Russia talks regarding military base:

Russia Against US Troops in Central Asia Near Afghanistan

Russia has warned the U.S. against deploying its troops in the former Soviet Central Asian nations following their withdrawal from Afghanistan.

www.military.com

India is also out of the equation:

Russia rules out military tie-up with India on Afghanistan issue

Russia is not in favour of a military alliance with India to help out the Government in Kabul, but is interested in close coordination while the Afghan issue seems to be acquiring new dimensions with the rise of the Taliban, a senior Russian Embassy official said here on Wednesday.

www.tribuneindia.com

LOL Russia tells it how it is:

Russia tells 'hypocritical' Afghan government to negotiate with Taliban

The Kremlin's most senior Afghanistan official accused the Afghan government of hypocrisy on Wednesday and said it needed to start proper negotiations with the Taliban about the country's future before it was too late.

www.reuters.com

Denial is a terrible thing. 20 years of denial has already led to trillions of dollars of loss.

 

[Gary]

You lost and we won. Deal with it.

LOL Russia, China and Russia are having talks with the Taliban as we speak. LOL at China, Russia and Iran are worried. Thes countries are the reason why US/NATO got its rear kicked. Did you really think you were fighting against the Taliban? Think again. There is no need to pat yourself on the back. Just admit your defeat and move on.

You are not ever coming back to Afghanistan. We will make sure of that after stepping in.

Just wait and see. You haven't seen a thing yet. The fun will begin once you guys are out. Pakistan along with all neighboring countries excluding US/NATO ally India are going to facilitate trade and peace.

Pakistan, other neighbours concerned at Afghanistan situation, PM Imran says in Tashkent

PM says countries such as Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Iran, and Turkey "will try and help facilitate a peace process in Afghanistan".

www.dawn.com

Border sealed as Taliban seize Afghan frontier town

The premier has also invited other leaders to an international conference on Afghanistan to be organised by Pakistan soon.

www.dawn.com

Surprise surprise. The region is suddenly interconnecting.

Who is"you" here ? Lmao

So let me make this clear, you're telling us the Taliban fought a 2 decades war against NATO, in the process they got mauled pretty badly by bombs and airstrikes (in which the bombs, ammunition are transported through neighboring Pakistan) only to sell the country and it's riches to China and facilitated by Pakistan , sheeeshh sound like fanboyism to me.

You're acting as if China waited long enough for the US exit to trade in Afghanistan, the thing is China has already participated in Afghanistan commerce, only with the security provided by the US.

Now that NATO is leaving, the US could use the money they usually spend to prop up the Kabul admin as well as it's military to be used elsewhere and help other countries which hold strategic interest to the US foreign policy.

Certainly the statements by Chinese MoFA regarding US pullout should give us a clearer picture of what China think rather than some wishful thinking.

Russia too has issued statements that shows their distrust of a Talib ruled kabul. Their mention of activating CSTO should tell us something.

 

[Gary]

You are the guy who supports US/NATO.

Don't be so sour. You are the guy who cannot even openly admit that you support US/NATO, but are arguing with me like a toddler who lost his candies.

LOL China, Russia and Iran are all reacting to the situation and trying to make the most out of it. What is so difficult to understand about that? Are you telling me that US/NATO was stationed in Afghanistan to spread democracy and prosperity? LOL Don't be so naive.

Just take on your chin. One side lost and the other. End of discussion.

My arguments are based on what the Chinese MoFA had already stared (officially) as well as Russian official threat to actuvate CSTO.

Your arguments on the other hand are based on a thinly supported idea of China, Russia , Iran and Pakistan suddenly holding hand and singing koombaya.

If the 10 years war in Syria tells anybody here about cooperation is that it will evaporate once your common enemy is gone.

Look at the example of Iran and Russia in Syria for example. They're supposed to be allies working together rebuilding Syria against the evil west. The FACTS on the ground tells the other story, both turns out are in competition against each other for influence against the country. In which Russian mercenary are increasingly at odds with Iranian militia for shares of economic resources.

Now that kind of fierce competition scenario could be duplicated in Afghanistan (if your assumption is correct) Between Iran, Russia and China.

Good luck for China having to deal in another great game with Russia for resources and influence in Afghanistan while the US is busy building up it's military and policy for a Pacific showdown.

One more thing, NATO did bring relative prosperity to Afghans compared to the Soviet and Taliban time.

 

[Gary]

We will see. I have been right for 20 years. As Pakistani Pashtun we knew that US/NATO would exit losing. We were right.
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Uhhh ohhh, I'm old enough to remember how Pakistani cheers people's like Musharraf and called the Taliban as terrorist , now that the Taliban is advancing across the country, somewhat everybody wants that piece of medal and claimed it for themselves.

Again Taliban official spokesman has already said that they're not subordinate to any country. And that is enough to tell you how your proposals of a Pakistan enabled China rule in Afghanistan will be welcomed.

We are also right about China, Russia, Iran and Pakistan coming together on Afghanistan.

Like issuing statements on how bad the US decisions are (China's MoFA) or sending troops to bordering Tajikistan (Russia) ?

 

[Gary]

We will see. For now we have defeated and kicked you out which is worth celebrating.

Let ne correct you, the Taliban has been defeating and kicking Kabul admin for a while, there's no WE, who is WE here?

Taliban is alone in this.

Nice try using the word WE.

 

[Gary]

? Let me ask you a question? What did you teach the Northern Alliance Afghans for 20 years? They are falling like a house of cards.

So you've finally admit that the Taliban and Northen alliance are not one. finally.

 

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