Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1517079905116520449

Hmmm

 

[Madokafc]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1517079905116520449

Hmmm

We can't and not in our national interest to do so

But we can sold you some weaponry if you like

 

[Lordimperator]

But we can sold you some weaponry if you like

How about send dozen of Maung?

 

[Madokafc]

How about send dozen of Maung?

Along with to offer something like ILTV, KOMODO with Mistral , komodo APC, P2 commando , Anoa 2, sniper rifle , mortar units and other.

 

[R4duga]

with some extra novichok/polonium extract and essence.

https://www.facebook.com/namanyajugapedagang/posts/718625042829614

 

[Lordimperator]

with some extra novichok/polonium extract and essence.

https://www.facebook.com/namanyajugapedagang/posts/718625042829614

Es KITA,

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/86225964/our-ice.jpg

 

[schuimpjes]

with some extra novichok/polonium extract and essence.

https://www.facebook.com/namanyajugapedagang/posts/718625042829614

Least ultranationalist nashist brand lol

 

[Umigami]

Bakal ada pesawat China beroperasi di Ukraine kah?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1518153680016523264

 

[NEKO]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1517079905116520449

Hmmm

I doubt that we will ever give sanctions, but I think we should distance our self from Russia.

We should stop purchasing alutsista from Russia from now on, and only buy ammunition and spare parts for Russian equipments we have. No need to pursue and improve bilateral cooperation, investment and economic cooperation.

Expansionist country like Russia and China is a threat to global peace and stability.

 

[HellFireIndo]

Bakal ada pesawat China beroperasi di Ukraine kah?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1518153680016523264

Nobody expected Chinese Bule pilot

 

[HellFireIndo]

Expansionist country like Russia and China is a threat to global peace and stability.

*Laugh in operation desert storm

 

[Umigami]

*Laugh in operation desert storm

No formal land grab, so doesn't count ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And Saddam did invade Kuwait, so...

 

[schuimpjes]

*Laugh in operation desert storm

Then how? Just doing nothing and let Kuwait taken by Saddam?

Maybe what you mean is Iraqi Freedom. This operation was for sure controversial, because of unfounded weapons of mass destruction. But for sure, i will not gonna blame Bush the 2nd for it, because Clinton was also did his operation in Iraq before Bush did in early 2000s, Operation Desert Fox. So that was not new at all for Saddam to be known to had weapons of mass destruction. Israel was also did their own operation to destroyed Osirak.

 

[Madokafc]

US invade Afghanistan in 2001 after being provoked by twin tower disaster, that's sure before they are already asking Afghanistan Taliban government to send Osama bin Laden to US, but they are not heeded repeated US government warning.

Operation dessert storm is actually legit UN sanction invasion to freeing Kuwait after being invaded by Iraq armed Forces.

Operation Iraqi Freedom, well the above answer is quite legit, and after the defeat of Iraq armed Forces during dessert storm, Iraq is known for several Times using chemical weapons against Kurds and Syiah population. But American is for sure not doing imperialist land grab just like what the Russian today doing, after annexed Crimean and push Eastern Ukraine referendum to joint Russian federation that's including sending hundred thousand of troops

 

[HellFireIndo]

Well, at least we know which country actually invaded other countries that have nothing to do with its national sovereignty. Invasion is an invasion, be it with a Land grab or not.

I think all sides in this geopolitical mess can and should be criticized, we are Indonesia after all, bebas aktif and neutrality is our thing.

 

[Madokafc]

Well, at least we know which country actually invaded other countries that have nothing to do with its national sovereignty. Invasion is an invasion, be it with a Land grab or not.

I think all sides in this geopolitical mess can and should be criticized, we are Indonesia after all, bebas aktif and neutrality is our thing.

You should critical for your own country then, afterall we had messed Malaysia over Sarawak and Sabah issue then over East Timor question...

Neutrality is not silence over blatant tyranny, we are critical over Israel Palestina issue, we are critical over US invasion against Iraq, we should be more concerned over this issue, Russian is first annexed Crimean, arming Eastern Ukraine Rebels then outright invasion for land grab purpose and denying the right of Ukraine as a country to exist. If someday any big country doing their own scenario to us, don't blame other for their silence.

 

[schuimpjes]

Imagine this. Suharto invaded East Timor, then America who opposed Suharto, under the pretext of liberating East Timor by the holy signature of the UN, invaded Indonesia, and then toppled Suharto.

Kuwait’s case was not like this. The old Bush still civilized enough to not single handedly toppled Saddam and still did the thing according to UN resolution, which there was no ‘topple Saddam clause right there’.

The US used to be pro-Saddam! they also used to be pro-Osama too!

I’m gonna add Noriega, how is that lol. He was really helping during Reagan was backed the Contras against Sandinista.

About Osama, actually US not directly gave them favors, they just calm with it, as Ukrainian Azov now lah for example. Osama too just took the step too much, fuck Egyptian Islamist influence. If he just influenced by the Saudis, he would be like Ibn Baz rather than had Sahwa like view.

 

[HellFireIndo]

Bruh seems like my post was deleted automatically

You should critical for your own country then, afterall we had messed Malaysia over Sarawak and Sabah issue then over East Timor question...

Neutrality is not silence over blatant tyranny, we are critical over Israel Palestina issue, we are critical over US invasion against Iraq, we should be more concerned over this issue, Russian is first annexed Crimean, arming Eastern Ukraine Rebels then outright invasion for land grab purpose and denying the right of Ukraine as a country to exist. If someday any big country doing their own scenario to us, don't blame other for their silence.

Well, my country is my country, it is not the question of what we should do, because obviously, the answer is that we have to support Indonesia, period. What is questionable is how we can conduct anything to achieve that interest so that it is still within the rule of law and considerate of human rights, but according to our law mostly. International law is laughable, whatever in it is arbitrary, only reflects the values and interests of the great powers rather than any sort of "universal" morality.

About Osama, actually US not directly gave them favors, they just calm with it, as Ukrainian Azov now lah for example. Osama too just took the step too much, fuck Egyptian Islamist influence. If he just influenced by the Saudis, he would be like Ibn Baz rather than had Sahwa like view.

At least you agree that US was hypocritical by supporting Saddam initially.

Though Osama one makes a better headline

 

[Madokafc]

Imagine this. Suharto invaded East Timor, then America who opposed Suharto, under the pretext of liberating East Timor by the holy signature of the UN, invaded Indonesia, and then toppled Suharto.

What will YOU guys get? freedom? No, your country will end up with hundreds of thousands of people dead, cities destroyed, and will spend the next decades being torn by civil wars. Bule journalists on TV will call your country "uncivilized" and acts as if they are not responsible for it!

Just because we use English here, doesn't mean we have to be pro-English people, to exactly adopt the viewpoint of the West and America. America says that Russia and China is enemy, somehow we parrot them, and take propaganda as truth! just because the news is in English from English media!

We can be as anti-China and anti-Russia as we want, but to justify blatant fabrication and the invasions carried by the United States is NAIVE! HYPOCRITICAL! The US used to be pro-Saddam! they also used to be pro-Osama too! Thinking they are blameless is borderline crazy, when in fact the US can easily just change their mind and fck anyone over when they feel like it.

My conclusion is that we shouldn't be pro any of them, trust neither! FCK them both, use them to our favor, manipulate them, criticize them, lie in their face to benefit our own country. Do not be fooled by ANY of their propaganda, use realpolitik to survive in this world.

“To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.”

— Henry Kissinger

Your post warrant deleted punishment, US do, has her fault, and they are not clean at all as any power or countries in this world, heck even Vatican do has their dirty. But we are not talking about US, just as that's not the reason at all to let other countries blatantly invading other, disrupt internasional order, let the Minyak goreng and tepung terigu naik harganya.

That's not real politics, that's tyranny enabler.

 

[schuimpjes]

Though Osama one makes a better headline

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Lol… which after that his business in Sudan were ‘tomahawked’, because he found to be involved in bombings of US Embassy somewhere. That’s the clear red flag there, he just trespassed the line.