Western Sahara War: Moroccan Casus Belli and Algerian Options

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Right Livelihood is deeply concerned at the escalating violence in Western Sahara and, in particular, at the violations committed by Moroccan authorities against Sahrawi human rights defenders. Among them, Right Livelihood Laureate Aminatou Haidar and her fellow activist Sultana Khaya, who are facing serious retaliations for being outspoken about the Sahrawi people’s right to self-determination.

It has been more than one year since the Moroccan security forces first surrounded Khaya’s home and forcibly detained her and her sister without any legal basis. Since then, the Khayas’ family has been under a de-facto house arrest, enduring illegal and violent raids, rape, physical and sexual assault, denial of medical treatment, exposure to COVID-19 and toxic substances.

Khaya is a prominent Sahrawi woman human rights defender, President of the League for the Defense of Human Rights and against the Plunder of Natural Resources, and member of the Sahrawi Organ against the Moroccan Occupation (ISACOM). Since September 2020, when Right Livelihood Laureate Aminatou Haidar established ISACOM, several members of its executive directorate, including Khaya, have been subjected to serious human rights violations.

On November 15, 2021, police forces looted the Khayas’ family home in the early morning and raped Khaya and her sister while their mother was present. A few days earlier, it was reported that Moroccan security forces had assaulted Khaya and injected her with an unknown substance that left her physically ill. On that day, her sister and elderly mother were also attacked and sexually assaulted by the officers, who threatened them with death.

Haidar and other ISACOM colleagues were also victims of the Moroccan police. On November 9, 2021, they were stopped at a checkpoint in El-Ayoun and were prevented from leaving the city to reach the nearby city of Boujdour to visit Khaya after the terrible attacks she had suffered. Following the publication of a video where Haidar speaks out against the Moroccan occupation, a Moroccan NGO, the General Secretariat of the Moroccan Human Rights and Anti-Corruption Organization, filed a complaint to the chief public prosecutor of the Rabat Court of Cassation to investigate Haidar for “inciting against the territorial integrity of the kingdom,” in blatant violation of her right to freedom of opinion and expression.

In 2021, UN Special Procedures have repeatedly condemned the reprisals against Khaya, Haidar and other members of ISACOM. UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres further denounced the treatment of Haidar in his last two annual reports on reprisals against human rights defenders.

Right Livelihood condemns in the strongest terms the horrendous violations committed against Khaya and her family and calls for an immediate end to their de-facto house arrests. Sexual and physical assaults against them must be immediately investigated, with a view to bringing perpetrators to justice and providing remedies.

Lastly, in light of the deteriorating situation in Western Sahara, we call on the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights to urgently dispatch an observer mission to the Occupied Territories, to investigate all human rights violations committed against the Sahrawi people and to ensure respect for fundamental freedoms, including freedom of expression, association and freedom of movement. Failure to speak out against injustice provides a license to Morocco to act with total impunity.

 

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Guys,no insults to countries leaders or the people.
Every next insult will result in a ban.
Lets keep it civil.
 

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Instead of insults, it would be more entertaining to discuss the military capabilities of the two and analyze if it's realistic for the two to wage war. After all this is a defense forum.
 

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Instead of insults, it would be more entertaining to discuss the military capabilities of the two and analyze if it's realistic for the two to wage war. After all this is a defense forum.
You are the guy who keeps barging in my threads claiming that your favorite country France must interfere between African countries to solve their problems.
The era of colonialism is over, dude.
You are welcome to go "entertain" yourself by applying your analytical skills on your own country, though.
 
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You are the guy who keeps barging in my threads claiming that your favorite country France must interfere between African countries to solve their problems.
The era of colonialism is over, dude.
You are welcome to go "entertain" yourself by applying your analytical skills on your own country, though.
It is not interference and colonialism when you're invited. French presence in Mali comes from Malian govt formal invitation.

Mali knows they need France to keep the country afloat.
 

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It is not interference and colonialism when you're invited. French presence in Mali comes from Malian govt formal invitation.

Mali knows they need France to keep the country afloat.
I completely disagree with you.
But given the fact that you know zilch about both Mali and France, I fully understand your amateurish interventions in this thread.
 

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I completely disagree with you.
But given the fact that you know zilch about both Mali and France, I fully understand your amateurish interventions in this thread.
Surely because you understand the region better than I am, you would at least counter my arguments with good counter opinions, but we haven't seen any good refutations at all from you. Care to explain why Mali invited France not fellow African buddy Algeria to intervene.

Why is that 🤭 ?
 

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Right Livelihood is deeply concerned at the escalating violence in Western Sahara and, in particular, at the violations committed by Moroccan authorities against Sahrawi human rights defenders. Among them, Right Livelihood Laureate Aminatou Haidar and her fellow activist Sultana Khaya, who are facing serious retaliations for being outspoken about the Sahrawi people’s right to self-determination.

It has been more than one year since the Moroccan security forces first surrounded Khaya’s home and forcibly detained her and her sister without any legal basis. Since then, the Khayas’ family has been under a de-facto house arrest, enduring illegal and violent raids, rape, physical and sexual assault, denial of medical treatment, exposure to COVID-19 and toxic substances.

Khaya is a prominent Sahrawi woman human rights defender, President of the League for the Defense of Human Rights and against the Plunder of Natural Resources, and member of the Sahrawi Organ against the Moroccan Occupation (ISACOM). Since September 2020, when Right Livelihood Laureate Aminatou Haidar established ISACOM, several members of its executive directorate, including Khaya, have been subjected to serious human rights violations.

On November 15, 2021, police forces looted the Khayas’ family home in the early morning and raped Khaya and her sister while their mother was present. A few days earlier, it was reported that Moroccan security forces had assaulted Khaya and injected her with an unknown substance that left her physically ill. On that day, her sister and elderly mother were also attacked and sexually assaulted by the officers, who threatened them with death.

Haidar and other ISACOM colleagues were also victims of the Moroccan police. On November 9, 2021, they were stopped at a checkpoint in El-Ayoun and were prevented from leaving the city to reach the nearby city of Boujdour to visit Khaya after the terrible attacks she had suffered. Following the publication of a video where Haidar speaks out against the Moroccan occupation, a Moroccan NGO, the General Secretariat of the Moroccan Human Rights and Anti-Corruption Organization, filed a complaint to the chief public prosecutor of the Rabat Court of Cassation to investigate Haidar for “inciting against the territorial integrity of the kingdom,” in blatant violation of her right to freedom of opinion and expression.

In 2021, UN Special Procedures have repeatedly condemned the reprisals against Khaya, Haidar and other members of ISACOM. UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres further denounced the treatment of Haidar in his last two annual reports on reprisals against human rights defenders.

Right Livelihood condemns in the strongest terms the horrendous violations committed against Khaya and her family and calls for an immediate end to their de-facto house arrests. Sexual and physical assaults against them must be immediately investigated, with a view to bringing perpetrators to justice and providing remedies.

Lastly, in light of the deteriorating situation in Western Sahara, we call on the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights to urgently dispatch an observer mission to the Occupied Territories, to investigate all human rights violations committed against the Sahrawi people and to ensure respect for fundamental freedoms, including freedom of expression, association and freedom of movement. Failure to speak out against injustice provides a license to Morocco to act with total impunity.

Cartoon by famous Algerian cartoonist Dilem in the daily Liberté, December 5 :

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas visiting Algeria on December 5th, asking President Tebboune of Algeria:
"So what's it like to live next to an Israeli colony ? (meaning Morocco)"

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Instead of insults, it would be more entertaining to discuss the military capabilities of the two and analyze if it's realistic for the two to wage war. After all this is a defense forum.
If you want we can make a new thread and discuss it there. You could provide some insight in different weapon systems. I dont have that much knowledge about weapons platforms in a deeper way.
 

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If you want we can make a new thread and discuss it there. You could provide some insight in different weapon systems. I dont have that much knowledge about weapons platforms in a deeper way.
Great, find yourself another thread. And don't forget to mention to your friend that Morocco is the de facto satellite of Israel in North Africa, but not for too long.
 

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Yes, they teach us in school that he is a national hero with top 10 historical figures, but Moroccans use this word Kuloglus in arabic "Karagila" as a racist insult
because we were in his army and some of us have Turkish last names so our blood is not clean. Some racist shit.
no we dont lol
never heard of this lmao
 

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Morocco's HDI (121) is worse than Libya (105), worse than Palestine's (115) and worse than Gabon (119).
We all know the lack of basic education and non-existence of hospitals within Morocco.
The civil rights militant Nasser Zefzafi is spending 20 years in jail just because he requested from the regime in Rabat for a small hospital in the Rif impoverished region.

No need for you to try comparing your country to Algeria every time.
Our histories and the fabric of our societies are completely different.

We have over 1 million of your illegal immigrant workers that we are still keeping for humanitarian reasons,
but their deportation might take place any time, depending on any new hostile developments from your regime.
lmao
*We all know the lack of basic education and non-existence of hospitals within Morocco.*

education is free and avaliable for all and everywhere
altho its level is not that good
hospitals are everywhere in morocco lmao

*The civil rights militant Nasser Zefzafi is spending 20 years in jail just because he requested from the regime in Rabat for a small hospital in the Rif impoverished region.*

no , zefzafi wanted more infrastructure and more investment he was left alone till he started preaching and branidishing rif republic flags, a direct call for separation,

*We have over 1 million of your illegal immigrant workers that we are still keeping for humanitarian reasons,
but their deportation might take place any time, depending on any new hostile developments from your regime.*

LMAOOOOOOOO thats funny 1m moroccan in algeria
less than 60k are in algeria mainly in the western regions
as well as many algerians in eastern morocco.

friendly advice u should limit the propaganda intake, its unhealthy

😊

 

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no we dont lol
never heard of this lmao
The Moroccan are being trained by their regime to attack the Algerian identity:
Algeria doesn't exist. I was created in 1962.
Algeria with the most powerful Army in Africa, is described by Moroccans as an army of corrupt sargents and corporals.
And the list goes on.

Yet Algeria's origin started with Numidia during Antiquity several centuries B.C., a time when even the Morocco region war under Numidian rule.
 

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The Moroccan are being trained by their regime to attack the Algerian identity:
Algeria doesn't exist. I was created in 1962.
Algeria with the most powerful Army in Africa, is described by Moroccans as an army of corrupt sargents and corporals.
And the list goes on.

Yet Algeria's origin started with Numidia during Antiquity several centuries B.C., a time when even the Morocco region war under Numidian rule.
*The Moroccan are being trained by their regime to attack the Algerian identity:*
its the algerians who are doing this my friendby the constant slander and fake news being circulated by official news media whose objective is to stain and attack morocco, while our media mention Algeria little to never.
*Algeria with the most powerful Army in Africa, is described by Moroccans as an army of corrupt sargents and corporals.*
egypt is the most powerful army in africa
and yes corruption is big algeria
specially military corruption
*Algeria doesn't exist. I was created in 1962.*
modern day algeria with modern borders was indeed created in 1962
before that it was Regency of ALgiers (semi independant from ottoman empire) with mainly the nortehrn provinces

*Yet Algeria's origin started with Numidia during Antiquity several centuries B.C., a time when even the Morocco region war under Numidian rule.*
as did morocco with mauretania
 
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*Algeria with the most powerful Army in Africa, is described by Moroccans as an army of corrupt sargents and corporals.*
egypt is the most powerful army in africa
and yes corruption is big algeria
specially military corruption
*Algeria doesn't exist. I was created in 1962.*
modern day algeria with modern borders was indeed created in 1962
before that it was Regency of ALgiers (semi independant from ottoman empire) with mainly the nortehrn provinces

*Yet Algeria's origin started with Numidia during Antiquity several centuries B.C., a time when even the Morocco region war under Numidian rule.*
as did morocco with mauretania
Morocco is created by France
*The Moroccan are being trained by their regime to attack the Algerian identity:*
its the algerians who are doing this my friendby the constant slander and fake news being circulated by official news media whose objective is to stain and attack morocco, while our media mention Algeria little to never.
*Algeria with the most powerful Army in Africa, is described by Moroccans as an army of corrupt sargents and corporals.*
egypt is the most powerful army in africa
and yes corruption is big algeria
specially military corruption
*Algeria doesn't exist. I was created in 1962.*
modern day algeria with modern borders was indeed created in 1962
before that it was Regency of ALgiers (semi independant from ottoman empire) with mainly the nortehrn provinces

*Yet Algeria's origin started with Numidia during Antiquity several centuries B.C., a time when even the Morocco region war under Numidian rule.*
as did morocco with mauretania
Whatever corruption is in Algeria, it's none of Morocco's business.
I for one, had never paid attention to Morocco whatsoever.

Closed land and water borders, closed airspace, closed gas pipeline.
This should provide a hint to Morocco that the horrific relationship has ended once and for all.
Stop annoying us, but you still have Spain, Germany and other countries to annoy as well.
Good Luck.
 

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Morocco is created by France

Whatever corruption is in Algeria, it's none of Morocco's business.
I for one, had never paid attention to Morocco whatsoever.

Closed land and water borders, closed airspace, closed gas pipeline.
This should provide a hint to Morocco that the horrific relationship has ended once and for all.
Stop annoying us, but you still have Spain, Germany and other countries to annoy as well.
Good Luck.
*Morocco is created by France*
yeah sure buddy

*Whatever corruption is in Algeria, it's none of Morocco's business.
I for one, had never paid attention to Morocco whatsoever.*
really how can you say *had never paid attention to Morocco whatsoever* with a straight face when 4/5 of ur posts slander morocco

*Closed land and water borders, closed airspace, closed gas pipeline.*
land borders were closed since the bombing of casablance by algerian natioanals

*Stop annoying us, but you still have Spain, Germany and other countries to annoy as well.*

hmm the one who is annoying you is no one my friend, its algeria and its baseless accusations with 0 proof that are annoying the region as a whole
morocco has not responded to algeria once since the cut of diplomatic ties.
so how can they annoy you when they dont even acknowledge you
 

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*Morocco is created by France*
yeah sure buddy

*Whatever corruption is in Algeria, it's none of Morocco's business.
I for one, had never paid attention to Morocco whatsoever.*
really how can you say *had never paid attention to Morocco whatsoever* with a straight face when 4/5 of ur posts slander morocco

*Closed land and water borders, closed airspace, closed gas pipeline.*
land borders were closed since the bombing of casablance by algerian natioanals

*Stop annoying us, but you still have Spain, Germany and other countries to annoy as well.*

hmm the one who is annoying you is no one my friend, its algeria and its baseless accusations with 0 proof that are annoying the region as a whole
morocco has not responded to algeria once since the cut of diplomatic ties.
so how can they annoy you when they dont even acknowledge you
No denial that Morocco is under a dual French-Israeli protectorate.
 

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*Morocco is created by France*
yeah sure buddy

*Whatever corruption is in Algeria, it's none of Morocco's business.
I for one, had never paid attention to Morocco whatsoever.*
really how can you say *had never paid attention to Morocco whatsoever* with a straight face when 4/5 of ur posts slander morocco

*Closed land and water borders, closed airspace, closed gas pipeline.*
land borders were closed since the bombing of casablance by algerian natioanals

*Stop annoying us, but you still have Spain, Germany and other countries to annoy as well.*

hmm the one who is annoying you is no one my friend, its algeria and its baseless accusations with 0 proof that are annoying the region as a whole
morocco has not responded to algeria once since the cut of diplomatic ties.
so how can they annoy you when they dont even acknowledge you
Committing a crime and ignoring it doesn't mean that you'll get away with it.
 
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