Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Madokafc]

 

[R4duga]

type 210 100mm / licensed reverse engineered french Canon de 100mm, if only those swedish Bofors TAK-120 still on production, we could try to equip our coast guard with such cannon, they rather have very fast ROF for an old cannon.

 

[Madokafc]

type 210 100mm / licensed reverse engineered french Canon de 100mm, if only those swedish Bofors TAK-120 still on production, we could try to equip our coast guard with such cannon, they rather have very fast ROF for an old cannon.

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Better to use good ol 76 mm Oto Melara gun for simply logistic problem and bigger caliber should be on 127 mm Naval gun

 

[R4duga]

Better to use good ol 76 mm Oto Melara gun for simply logistic problem and bigger caliber should be on 127 mm Naval gun

i was actually trying to emphasizing on "reverse engineered" part, i mean even such old technology still can pave the way for our future naval cannon core technology dependency, just like how chinese does with the french canon de 100mm that now turning into locally produced H/PJ-87 , im only guessing that even buying bulk of 76mm otomelara would give us a ToT chance almost slim to none .

@Anmdt did turkish locally MKEK 76mm got otomelara involved on its development ?

 

[Umigami]

So this offers is for ongoing Iver program or 30ffm competitor?
If it's for current Iver Huitfeldt program, it's gonna contradict his own Twit.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1426088381491163138

 

[Lordimperator]

buying bulk of 76mm otomelara

We'll need it tho, if we want to armed those 16 frigates.

 

[Umigami]

We'll need it tho, if we want to armed those 16 frigates.

Some of those need to be 127mm instead.

 

[Lordimperator]

this offers is for ongoing Iver program or 30ffm competitor

My guess is the later. How could they offer us arrow140/type 31 as dedicated AAW frigate

those need to be 127mm

Hoping soon to be FREMM-ID equipped with vulcano 127

 

[Madokafc]

So this offers is for ongoing Iver program or 30ffm competitor?
If it's for current Iver Huitfeldt program, it's gonna contradict his own Twit.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1426088381491163138

30FFM

 

[NEKO]

So if its win against 30FFM, we will have IH and IH mutant.

I think IH itself is not that smooth, gotta secure the sensors and missiles, and we are being indonesia after all, SG can get Aster easily, JP and SK can get SM series easily, IN can get barak. We need to lobby harder to get the first two, and for kosher missile its complicated stuff.
CN and RU missile is out of the question, umkhonto somewhat not enough.

 

[Mandala]

A more detail article.

Get PMN of Rp 1.28 Trillion, PT PAL is Ready for Whole Local Submarine Production

(Surabaya, August 24, 2021) In accordance with Law No. 9 of 2020, PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) received State Capital Participation (PMN) in the State Budget for Fiscal Year 2021 amounting to Rp. 1.28 trillion to complete the submarine hangar facility.

Since the enactment of PP No. 84 of 2021 which was signed by President Joko Widodo, it has been stated that PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) PMN funds have been disbursed.

PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) will be fully responsible for managing PMN funds by realizing the ideals of submarine development from the scope of the Joint Section, tests and trials (Setting to Work, Hydro Test, Harbor Acceptance Test (HAT), Sea Acceptance Test including Pre -SAT up to the preparation of working standards to become Whole Local Production.

This is also in order to prepare themselves to answer the needs of national defense equipment, especially submarines by of course carrying out a strategy of mastering submarine technology and developing submarine technology in the future, including unmanned submarines.

The State Capital Investment (PMN) in the APBN for Fiscal Year 2021 of Rp. 1.28 trillion will be mandated to increase production capabilities, human resources, and other supporting facilities.

First, with the 2021 PMN which is currently disbursed, it will be used to increase production capabilities, through facilities that will be equipped including the construction of a Ship Lift, Glassfiber Reinforced Plastic (GRP) Shop, Painting Shop, Blasting Shop, etc. With the fully equipped facilities through this PMN, it will increase the ability of PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) in the construction of submarines, so that it is not only in the scope of the Joint Section but to Whole Local production.

Second, in increasing the production capacity that is currently owned, it will be supported by improving the quality of human resources such as the implementation of training, certification, and other training facilities.

CEO of PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) Dr. Kaharuddin Djenod M.Eng when welcoming the visit of the Deputy Minister of Defense (Wamenhan) Muhammad Herindra M.Sc to PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) on August 12, 2021, said "The submarine hangar facility owned by PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) has a submarine production capacity simultaneously as many as 4 Scorpene (or similar) type submarines and 2 30 meter midget type submarines”.

Read more:

Dapatkan PMN Rp 1,28 Trilliun, PT PAL Siap Produksi Kapal Selam Secara Whole Local Production

(Surabaya, 24 Agustus 2021) Sesuai dengan UU No.9 Tahun 2020, PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) mendapatkan Penyertaan Modal Negara (PMN) pada APBN Tahun Anggaran 2021 sebesar […]

pal.co.id

 

[kantokuukai]

30FFM has more chance, it has more backup from economics to a political standpoint. From the Japanese perspective, as the first post-WW2 Japanese defense product foreign customer, Indonesia could be the gate opener for more customers. Even if Indonesia only buys a few of them, just like the Korean T-50 Jet trainer, other countries follow to buy them.

 

[NEKO]

30FFM has more chance, it has more backup from economics to a political standpoint. From the Japanese perspective, as the first post-WW2 Japanese defense product foreign customer, Indonesia could be the gate opener for more customers. Even if Indonesia only buys a few of them,

*First major customer.

just like the Korean T-50 Jet trainer, other countries follow to buy them.

And Korean LPD.

 

[Van Kravchenko]

A more detail article.

Get PMN of Rp 1.28 Trillion, PT PAL is Ready for Whole Local Submarine Production

(Surabaya, August 24, 2021) In accordance with Law No. 9 of 2020, PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) received State Capital Participation (PMN) in the State Budget for Fiscal Year 2021 amounting to Rp. 1.28 trillion to complete the submarine hangar facility.

Since the enactment of PP No. 84 of 2021 which was signed by President Joko Widodo, it has been stated that PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) PMN funds have been disbursed.

PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) will be fully responsible for managing PMN funds by realizing the ideals of submarine development from the scope of the Joint Section, tests and trials (Setting to Work, Hydro Test, Harbor Acceptance Test (HAT), Sea Acceptance Test including Pre -SAT up to the preparation of working standards to become Whole Local Production.

This is also in order to prepare themselves to answer the needs of national defense equipment, especially submarines by of course carrying out a strategy of mastering submarine technology and developing submarine technology in the future, including unmanned submarines.

The State Capital Investment (PMN) in the APBN for Fiscal Year 2021 of Rp. 1.28 trillion will be mandated to increase production capabilities, human resources, and other supporting facilities.

First, with the 2021 PMN which is currently disbursed, it will be used to increase production capabilities, through facilities that will be equipped including the construction of a Ship Lift, Glassfiber Reinforced Plastic (GRP) Shop, Painting Shop, Blasting Shop, etc. With the fully equipped facilities through this PMN, it will increase the ability of PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) in the construction of submarines, so that it is not only in the scope of the Joint Section but to Whole Local production.

Second, in increasing the production capacity that is currently owned, it will be supported by improving the quality of human resources such as the implementation of training, certification, and other training facilities.

CEO of PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) Dr. Kaharuddin Djenod M.Eng when welcoming the visit of the Deputy Minister of Defense (Wamenhan) Muhammad Herindra M.Sc to PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) on August 12, 2021, said "The submarine hangar facility owned by PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) has a submarine production capacity simultaneously as many as 4 Scorpene (or similar) type submarines and 2 30 meter midget type submarines”.

Read more:

Dapatkan PMN Rp 1,28 Trilliun, PT PAL Siap Produksi Kapal Selam Secara Whole Local Production

(Surabaya, 24 Agustus 2021) Sesuai dengan UU No.9 Tahun 2020, PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) mendapatkan Penyertaan Modal Negara (PMN) pada APBN Tahun Anggaran 2021 sebesar […]

pal.co.id

what kind of sub again ?

 

[NEKO]

what kind of sub again ?

Sshh..... November is only few months away.

PAL Statement : indicating scorpene.
PAL baliho : indicating Soryu.
PAL current contract : Type 209
Me :

Nagapasa batch 2 status is unclear, "scorpene atau sekelasnya" they don't need to explicitly mention scorpene and just mention about size and weight unless...

 

[Anmdt]

Sshh..... November is only few months away.

PAL Statement : indicating scorpene.
PAL baliho : indicating Soryu.
PAL current contract : Type 209
Me :

Nagapasa batch 2 status is unclear, "scorpene atau sekelasnya" they don't need to explicitly mention scorpene and just mention about size and weight unless...

Check the origin of equipments delivered at the PAL, you can be sure those are from a particular country.

Also, oto melara is not involving in MKE 76mm, oto melara is the mere reason for this project to bloom, but other turkish companies are going to involve for electronics etc and the system especially is going to use TAKS developed by Aselsan, that also attched to other 76 or 40 mm guns.

 

[Indos]

Sshh..... November is only few months away.

PAL Statement : indicating scorpene.
PAL baliho : indicating Soryu.
PAL current contract : Type 209
Me :

Nagapasa batch 2 status is unclear, "scorpene atau sekelasnya" they don't need to explicitly mention scorpene and just mention about size and weight unless...

The reason they say Scorpene is to educate Indonesian military enthusiast that think the facility in PT PAL can only produce CBG submarine. It can produce bigger submarine and how many of Scorpene can be produced in the facility can be a good information to give.

 

[satria]

KCR 60 M with AU-220M Rusia

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CS5l_qhBt0f/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

https://koarmada2.tnial.mil.id/2021...-sidak-ke-kri-sampari-628-dan-kri-tombak-629/

It;s say KRI Halasan will use same weapon and on video looks like ready to instal it soon at PAL

https://www.indomiliter.com/setelah...lah-dipasangi-meriam-au-220m-57mm/#more-81332

 

[Madokafc]

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=3947512855357028&id=181276675314017

 

[NEKO]

KCR 60 M with AU-220M Rusia

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CS5l_qhBt0f/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

https://koarmada2.tnial.mil.id/2021...-sidak-ke-kri-sampari-628-dan-kri-tombak-629/

It;s say KRI Halasan will use same weapon and on video looks like ready to instal it soon at PAL

https://www.indomiliter.com/setelah...lah-dipasangi-meriam-au-220m-57mm/#more-81332

But new KCR will use bofors right?