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[Ravenman]

they are still kurds

Not 100%. PKK/YPG has a pyramite/triangle infrastructure. The top floors are Armenians.

Kurds are dwelling at the lowest floors and must give up their religion and believes.

Example. A European volunteer who joins the PKK is allowed to secure his religion. He may wear a cross and pray. Christianity is allowed.

Kurds who join the PKK must give up on Islam. Islamic prayers are forbidden, you can get the death penalty.

YPG/PKK is only communist/socialist and Kurdish by name, because they tolerate christian volunteers and yazidi volunteers and their beliefs. They have zero tolerance against Islam and they show that by using mosques as stables or practice terrain, but they leave churches and yazidi or zoroastic tenples alone.

Thats why the CHP and the left in Turkey (Bogazici University, the Gayscene, LBGTH-people, unions etc) are sympathizers of PKK.

 

[GoatsMilk]

erate christian volunteers and yazidi volunteers and their beliefs. They have zero tolerance against Islam and they show that by using mosques as stables or practice ter

To be fair AK party supported the PKK like never before. Ocalan turned into a hero. PKK parades on open top buses in Turkey. PKK being allowed to transit land in Turkey to move into places in syria from iraq.

The entire south east under AK party at one point was controlled by the PKK.

CHP no doubts has turned into a sick party, but AK party was sucking pkk marxist slong like no party before her.

Remember under AK party all things Turkish and all Turkish historical figures were attacked while kurdish terrorists and islamists sepratists were elevated in status. AK party for a good decade was basically a FETO tool.

 

[CAN_TR]

Not 100%. PKK/YPG has a pyramite/triangle infrastructure. The top floors are Armenians.

Yeah sure...

 

[Saithan]

Mobility in the PKK/PYD region… 'Get ready for the operation' message from the TAF​

Following the message of President Tayyip Erdoğan, the possible ground operation of the Turkish Armed Forces against the PYD, the Syrian extension of the terrorist organization PKK, in northeast Syria was discussed, and it was stated that a message of 'prepare for the operation' was given to groups that support Turkey. It was stated that a written notice was sent to Tel Rifat from UAVs in Arabic.​

18 October 2021 12:37

After President Tayyip Erdogan's message that his struggles in Syria will continue in a very different way in the next period, it is being discussed whether an operation will be carried out in the regions occupied by the PKK/PYD.

According to the news of Namık Durukan from Milliyet, the Syrian Army sent soldiers to Turkey to many points under the control of cooperating groups.

'BE READY' INSTRUCTIONS​

According to the news, Turkish-backed forces are preparing to participate in a possible operation by the TAF. Reinforcements are being dispatched to the border of Tel Rıfat, the focal point of the operation, and Ayn Isa districts on the M4 highway. PKK/PYD points that pose a threat in the region are also hit with artillery, tank and missile shots.

In the news, it was stated that the Turkish Armed Forces reinforced the forces that support Turkey against a possible operation against the region, and the message " Be ready for the operation " was given. After the message, it was claimed that the armed groups positioned on the border lines took a position of attack.

UAV NOTICE TO TEL RIFAT​

On the other hand, in the statement in which a written statement was sent to Tel Rıfat from UAVs in Arabic, addressing the public, he said, “ We will take our city back. Collaborate with our forces before it is too late. ”

PKK/PYD bölgesinde hareketlilik… TSK’dan ‘Harekata hazır ol’ mesajı

Cumhurbaşkanı Tayyip Erdoğan’ın Suriye'deki mücadelelerinin bundan sonraki süreçte çok daha farklı şekilde devam edeceği

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[Anastasius]

Why are they openly discussing launching operations? You don't tell your enemy you're going to attack, you just attack.

Now literally everyone in the PKK/YPG knows that an attack is coming and has had time to dig in.

This is like if before launching the Spring Offensive in 1918, the German Empire sent like a dozen telegrams for an entire week to the Triple Entente declaring their intent to attack and warning them to back off.

 

[mulj]

Yeah, like they do not have intel from russkies and jenkies..., in this media occupied world it is better to announce it if you have military luxury which Turkey has in this particular situation.

 

[Anastasius]

Yeah, like they do not have intel from russkies and jenkies..., in this media occupied world it is better to announce it if you have military luxury which Turkey has in this particular situation.

We have no idea if they do or do not. Going by a hunch that someone else may tip them off does not mean throwing all caution to the wind. Keep your mouth shut and keep in mind that someone else may have told them about your operation. Then proceed with those two points in mind.

The US, for example, rarely announces its operations ahead of time. Russia straight-up denies their army does anything at all most of the time.

 

[Ryder]

We have no idea if they do or do not. Going by a hunch that someone else may tip them off does not mean throwing all caution to the wind. Keep your mouth shut and keep in mind that someone else may have told them about your operation. Then proceed with those two points in mind.

The US, for example, rarely announces its operations ahead of time. Russia straight-up denies their army does anything at all most of the time.

Thats the problem the TSK has been having they dont like public exposure like keeping things silent. But you have fools posting shit on social media or politicians with ego problems announcing shit.

They dont like it when soldiers or politicians talking about sensitive military issues.

 

[Anastasius]

Thats the problem the TSK has been having they dont like public exposure like keeping things silent. But you have fools posting shit on social media or politicians with ego problems announcing shit.

They dont like it when soldiers or politicians talking about sensitive military issues.

Then "inform" the politicians that if they do so again, there will be problems.

I have trouble comprehending how a nation that is so proudly nationalistic most of the time got cucked so hard by a bunch of Islamists.

 

[mulj]

We have no idea if they do or do not. Going by a hunch that someone else may tip them off does not mean throwing all caution to the wind. Keep your mouth shut and keep in mind that someone else may have told them about your operation. Then proceed with those two points in mind.

The US, for example, rarely announces its operations ahead of time. Russia straight-up denies their army does anything at all most of the time.

My assumption is that they do have info for incoming op, even that they have certain tactical information collected by aeral activities, it is reasonable to assume that russians and americans share that kind of inteligence with them as they are both patrons of ypg/sdf structure in different ways.

 

[Anastasius]

My assumption is that they do have info for incoming op, even that they have certain tactical information collected by aerail activities, it is reasonable to assume that russians and americans share that kind of inteligence with them as they are both patrons of ypg/sdf structure in different ways.

Yeah but that's the point - "assumption". None of us can know for sure and in those cases, it's better to be safe than sorry.

 

[Manomed]

Not 100%. PKK/YPG has a pyramite/triangle infrastructure. The top floors are Armenians.

Kurds are dwelling at the lowest floors and must give up their religion and believes.

Example. A European volunteer who joins the PKK is allowed to secure his religion. He may wear a cross and pray. Christianity is allowed.

Kurds who join the PKK must give up on Islam. Islamic prayers are forbidden, you can get the death penalty.

YPG/PKK is only communist/socialist and Kurdish by name, because they tolerate christian volunteers and yazidi volunteers and their beliefs. They have zero tolerance against Islam and they show that by using mosques as stables or practice terrain, but they leave churches and yazidi or zoroastic tenples alone.

Thats why the CHP and the left in Turkey (Bogazici University, the Gayscene, LBGTH-people, unions etc) are sympathizers of PKK.

They are kurds you can't fool no one here

 

[mulj]

Yeah but that's the point - "assumption". None of us can know for sure and in those cases, it's better to be safe than sorry.

No need for to much secrecy about incoming op, also you can consider it as part of special warfare if you want.
Tnings like troops deployment, lines of attack, logistic and other operational stuff is other thing.

 

[Ravenman]

They are kurds you can't fool no one here

There are mostly Kurds in the organisation and the staff, but they are not the owner or the boss and they dont have a say in the policy, and thats why the PKK or YPG are not fighting for the Kurdish case or Kurdish problem.

It's like Egetürk or GAZI. Turkish name, Turkish products, Turkish workers but a German firm.

And i dont have to fool anyone. If you have brains, you will understand.

 

[Ryder]

There are mostly Kurds in the organisation and the staff, but they are not the owner or the boss and they dont have a say in the policy, and thats why the PKK or YPG are not fighting for the Kurdish case or Kurdish problem.

It's like Egetürk or GAZI. Turkish name, Turkish products, Turkish workers but a German firm.

And i dont have to fool anyone. If you have brains, you will understand.

I posted about this before Pkk was formed by Leftist Turks who used Kurdish grievances to form themselves a terror group.

Most Turks were anti communist hence why leftists would barely get any support. Ocalan said his mother was Turkish.

The used Kurds as their footsoldiers and exploited their grievances just so they can achieve their communist Utopia.

In our war against ypg the TSK came up against Turkish leftist volunteers. Basically fighting our own citizens.

Lets not forget Isis's turkish fighters especially pretty shocking how isis even had central asian turks in its ranks that the TSK even fought them too.

At the end of the day we all know what happens to people who commit treason against their own country.

 

[CAN_TR]

The stories that PKK is a Armenian origin terror group is something Islamists and Kurds themselves claim, but the truth is they are as much as kurdish as the Talibans are Pashtun. You can't fool anybody here.

It's just the continuation of the Kocgiri, Beytussebab, Ararat, Dersim and Sehy Said rebellions.
Now they're trying to justify it with Turkish fascism, Kemalism, but what about all the rebellions during Ottoman Caliphate times?

And it's is known how Barzanis KDP, Talabanis PUK, Arafats Fatah (PLO) and other Palestinian organizations like PPSF cooperated and some even trained the pkk in guerilla warfare. However there is not even one proven relation to ASALA for example or JCAG just claims of cooperation in Europe.

The founder is a kurd, their high ranking members, the small thugs and also their supporters.

 

[what]

Never understood the Armenian argument, another conspiracy theory we dont need. We already have plenty.

There are also Turks in the PKK but most of them are Turkish citizens of Kurdish origin.

 

[Ravenman]

The stories that PKK is a Armenian origin terror group is something Islamists and Kurds themselves claim, but the truth is they are as much as kurdish as the Talibans are Pashtun. You can't fool anybody here.

It's just the continuation of the Kocgiri, Beytussebab, Ararat, Dersim and Sehy Said rebellions.
Now they're trying to justify it with Turkish fascism, Kemalism, but what about all the rebellions during Ottoman Caliphate times?

And it's is known how Barzanis KDP, Talabanis PUK, Arafats Fatah (PLO) and other Palestinian organizations like PPSF cooperated and some even trained the pkk in guerilla warfare. However there is not even one proven relation to ASALA for example or JCAG just claims of cooperation in Europe.

The founder is a kurd, their high ranking members, the small thugs and also their supporters.

Sheich Sayyid had nothing to do with Kurds, Kurdistan or the Kurdish case.

My balls are falling off when i see how low the level of political history is here.

Denying the Armenian connection within the PKK, the linking of Sheich Sayyid to Kurdish seperatism, oh Lord.

 

[Ryder]

You cannot deny the connection (rather co-operation) between Armenia (Asala in fact) and PKK in their quest against Turkey. However, PKK‘s birth is a direct result of Turkey’s internal turmoil (discrimination, torture, abuses, etc.) As a matter of fact, Asala has a deeper connection with anti-Israel arab organisations. Many believe PLO was the mind and soul behind its foundation.

Pakistan's Zia ul Haq also crushed the PLO in Jordan.

It was also well deserved that. That the plo called it black september because they got crushed pretty badly that yasser arafat started crying.

Asala and pkk were allied with communist and socialist palestinian groups. Israel also fought the pkk and asala in Lebanon.

 

[Ryder]

Palestinians were basically responsible for the killing of our diplomats.

This should never be forgiven.