TR Marine Mavi Vatan (Blue Homeland)

[Ryder]

Funny how Greeks, Kurds, Arabs, Armenians and Europeans use Mongol as an insult just because they got their asses stomped by the Nomads.

If it wasnt for gunpowder and the industrial revolution.

Nomadic armies would have still ravaged the planet.

 

[Timuçin]

People forget how the Ottomans started off as a tribe still whopped the Greeks.

So many times they got their asses stomped. They think calling us a Mongol is insulting

At least Mongolians had a history of living free Unlike greeks who lived under other civilizations without a identity.

 

[Ravenman]

Mongols where not only nomads, they were civilized, they had a empire, with statehood, and poets, arts and lectures. Marco Polo wrote about it.

The Huns were real nomads.

 

[Timuçin]

Funny how Greeks, Kurds, Arabs, Armenians and Europeans use Mongol as an insult just because they got their asses stomped by the Nomads.

If it wasnt for gunpowder and the industrial revolution.

Nomadic armies would have still ravaged the planet.

Greeks still cry about manzikert

 

[fushkee]

The biggest mistake that the west has is that they think the other civilizations (especially those in east) are barbaric nomads. I think it's because they are trying to read the history just from their own perspectives.

 

[Akritas]

"Mavi Vatan" project sinks because of the excessive Turkish ambitions, which are based on an amalgam of Turkism and Islamism, which they think have become superpowers, while in the end they can not move without the permission of the real superpowers of the world.
Of course the goal was and is Greece, those about the homeland are ashes in the eyes of the supranationalists.

 

[Timuçin]

"Mavi Vatan" project sinks because of the excessive Turkish ambitions, which are based on an amalgam of Turkism and Islamism, which they think have become superpowers, while in the end they can not move without the permission of the real superpowers of the world.
Of course the goal was and is Greece, those about the homeland are ashes in the eyes of the supranationalists.

everyone is islamist according to you mr greek We ain't the ones screaming best turk is a dead like your weak people do.

 

[Ecderha]

"Mavi Vatan" project sinks because of the excessive Turkish ambitions, which are based on an amalgam of Turkism and Islamism, which they think have become superpowers, while in the end they can not move without the permission of the real superpowers of the world.
Of course the goal was and is Greece, those about the homeland are ashes in the eyes of the supranationalists.

Project Mediterranean 12miles island boarders are sinks because of the excessive "hellas" ambitions, which are based on an amalgam of Christianisam and Hellanisam, which they think that it is right thing to do. Just claim anything which Turkiye have, while in the end they can not move at all because of fear that history against Turkiye will repeat again with more loses for greece.So the Only option for hella christianists are to Beg and Try to trick other countries to join greece naive ideas against Turkiye.

 

[Akritas]

everyone is islamist according to you mr greek We ain't the ones screaming best turk is a dead like your weak people do.

Nope, let me explain to you Turk. Islamism is not a form of the Muslim faith or an expression of Muslim piety, but it is a political ideology that strives to derive legitimacy from Islam.
Islamism, as an "anti-" ideology, in the sense that it defines itself only in opposition to things. That is, Islamism stands not for but against.
As regard Turkish Islamism, is oppose liberal democracy and secularism because these institutions originated in the West. More in the following book...

Erdoğan’s Turkey: Islamism, Identity and Memory

This book explores the role of religion in the transformation of Turkey under the reign of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his Justice and Development Party (Adalet ve Kalkınma Partisi, AKP). It attempts to come to terms with the current political crisis in Turkey and the government’s move...

www.routledge.com

 

[Akritas]

Cry me a river Inferior greek I couldn't give a less fuck about what you said Turkeys stance was same against you before erdogan now go cry in a corner.

Its true, Turkish stance is the same at the last decades(and before those). Erdogan just try to rebirth the Ottomanism with project like Mavi Vatan.

 

[Timuçin]

Its true, Turkish stance is the same at the last decades(and before those). Erdogan just try to rebirth the Ottomanism with project like Mavi Vatan.

It was same during seljuks It was same during other times also mavi vatan has nothing to do with ottomans you are just making shit up after this point. Just accept the fact you are having ass fire whenever you remember Seljuks kicked you out from anatolia and made it a land for Turks.

 

[Ryder]

Its true, Turkish stance is the same at the last decades(and before those). Erdogan just try to rebirth the Ottomanism with project like Mavi Vatan.

If defending Turkish interests make us Ottomans.

Then we are proud to be the sons of the Ottoman Empire.

You are a Greek I can sense the fear. Scared that the Seljuks and Ottomans might come back to haunt you?

 

[Ryder]

Nope, let me explain to you Turk. Islamism is not a form of the Muslim faith or an expression of Muslim piety, but it is a political ideology that strives to derive legitimacy from Islam.
Islamism, as an "anti-" ideology, in the sense that it defines itself only in opposition to things. That is, Islamism stands not for but against.
As regard Turkish Islamism, is oppose liberal democracy and secularism because these institutions originated in the West. More in the following book...

Erdoğan’s Turkey: Islamism, Identity and Memory

This book explores the role of religion in the transformation of Turkey under the reign of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his Justice and Development Party (Adalet ve Kalkınma Partisi, AKP). It attempts to come to terms with the current political crisis in Turkey and the government’s move...

www.routledge.com

Greece is secular lmaoooo your presidents and pms all pay allegience to the Greek orthodox church while at the same its a state religion.

Turkey might be a conservative society but it depends which region but you dont see Erdogan paying allegiance to an Imam or a Mufti.

If a country calls itself Secular you cant have a state religion.

 

[Ardabas34]

Mongols where not only nomads, they were civilized, they had a empire, with statehood, and poets, arts and lectures. Marco Polo wrote about it.

The Huns were real nomads.

Marco Polo talked about Kublai's Yuan Dynasty. Sinified Mongols. Not Mongols of Genghis Khan.

 

[Ryder]

Marco Polo talked about Kublai's Yuan Dynasty. Sinified Mongols. Not Mongols of Genghis Khan.

Mongols over time became settled. Genghis Khans time they were nomads.

Ibn Khaldun talked about nomads like Turks, Bedouins and Mongols became weak overtime due to becoming settled in city life.

Mahmud Kashgari talked about how Nomads were the true free men while people living in settled societies were slaves.

 

[Timuçin]

Mongols over time became settled. Genghis Khans time they were nomads.

Ibn Khaldun talked about nomads like Turks, Bedouins and Mongols became weak overtime due to becoming settled in city life.

Mahmud Kashgari talked about how Nomads were the true free men while people living in settled societies were slaves.

Golden horde and kazans,Timurids>>Mongolian empire

 

[Ryder]

Golden horde and kazans,Timurids>>Mongolian empire

Successors to the Mongol Empire. Crimean Khanate was also a successor to the Mongol Empire.

Ottomans and the Crimean Khanate basically intermarried. Which made the Ottoman sultans to become a descendant of Genghis Khan himself.

Babur was descended from both Timur and Genghis.

Turks and Mongols their histiry is pretty much interlinked such a shame that Mongolia does not do anything to be close with the Turkic world. If not their future is gonna be bad either Russia or China is going to become more active in their country.

 

[Akritas]

Guys, I have realized, actually all the world knows that the present Erdogan's Turkey dreams a new Seljuk/Ottoman Empire, by the irredentist, interventionist and expansionist foreign policy in the Eastern Mediterranean, the neighboring states Cyprus, Greece, Iraq, Syria, as well as in Africa, including Libya.

Mavi Vatan is a neottoman tool for the "Sultan Erdogan" in order to influence the Turkish people.

Another example is the revival of Ottoman tradition, greeting Palestinian president Abbas with an Ottoman-style ceremony in the new presidential palace, with guards dressed in costumes representing founders of 16 Great Turkic Empires in history. Or the change of the names such as the rebirth of the old Ottoman term külliye to refer to university campuses rather than the standard Turkish word kampüs.

Erdogan wants to become an Ottoman sultan and abandon the secular and democratic credentials of the Republic.

 

[CAN_TR]

Guys, I have realized, actually all the world knows that the present Erdogan's Turkey dreams a new Seljuk/Ottoman Empire, by the irredentist, interventionist and expansionist foreign policy in the Eastern Mediterranean, the neighboring states Cyprus, Greece, Iraq, Syria, as well as in Africa, including Libya.

Mavi Vatan is a neottoman tool for the "Sultan Erdogan" in order to influence the Turkish people.

Another example is the revival of Ottoman tradition, greeting Palestinian president Abbas with an Ottoman-style ceremony in the new presidential palace, with guards dressed in costumes representing founders of 16 Great Turkic Empires in history. Or the change of the names such as the rebirth of the old Ottoman term külliye to refer to university campuses rather than the standard Turkish word kampüs.

Erdogan wants to become an Ottoman sultan and abandon the secular and democratic credentials of the Republic.

Now you lost it totally, Türkiye is just increasing it‘s influence in regions that were part of it‘s former sphere of influence.
You might call it expansionist etc. but this is called geopolitics my friend and the reason you bother with it is because it‘s teabagging Greek expansionism hard.

 

[Ryder]

Now you lost it totally, Türkiye is just increasing it‘s influence in regions that were part of it‘s former sphere of influence.
You might call it expansionist etc. but this is called geopolitics my friend and the reason you bother with it is because it‘s teabagging Greek expansionism hard.

Our interests clash with Greeks thats why they feel threatened.