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[FPXAllen]

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502179303198695425

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If this project will really take off - of which I'll spare my enthusiasm until it really does - the platform can also be used as a base for other purposes, like our indigenous design for self-propelled howitzer (ala Caesar), self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery and missile system (like Pantsir), mobile radar and so on.

However, its development should be supported wholeheartedly by our army as its intended future user because if it's less than that, we can only hope of seeing these drawings and renders come to fruition.

 

[FPXAllen]

Tell me, which project will give the army and MoD higher ups more dirty money: buy imported stuff or develop locally?

I'll regard this as a rhetorical question *wink* *wink*

 

[Madokafc]

Tell me, which project will give the army and MoD higher ups more dirty money: buy imported stuff or develop locally?

Local products is rift with corruption Cases too, uhuk uhuk there is several case involved PT DI management previously as a case. Either it is import or local both had same chance, money is money afterall

 

[Mandala]

KAPLAN MT Tanks Delivered To Indonesia

10 March 2022

The KAPLAN MT Medium Class Tank, developed by FNSS with national resources, is now available for use by the Indonesian Army. In this context, a ceremony will be held on Tuesday, March 15 at the FNSS Trinity.

KAPLAN MT, which was developed within the scope of the project in which FNSS successfully applied the technology transfer model to PT Pindad and started mass production after the successful completion of the prototype period tests, is being delivered to the Indonesian Army. After the ceremony to be held at FNSS facilities on March 15, KAPLAN MTs will depart for Indonesia.

Read more:

KAPLAN MT Tankları Endonezya'ya Teslim Ediliyor

KAPLAN MT Orta Sınıf Tank, Endonezya Ordusu'nun kullanıma sunuluyor. Bu kapsamda FNSS teslislerinde 15 Mart Salı Günü bir tören gerçekleştirilecek.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[FPXAllen]

KAPLAN MT Tanks Delivered To Indonesia

10 March 2022

The KAPLAN MT Medium Class Tank, developed by FNSS with national resources, is now available for use by the Indonesian Army. In this context, a ceremony will be held on Tuesday, March 15 at the FNSS Trinity.

KAPLAN MT, which was developed within the scope of the project in which FNSS successfully applied the technology transfer model to PT Pindad and started mass production after the successful completion of the prototype period tests, is being delivered to the Indonesian Army. After the ceremony to be held at FNSS facilities on March 15, KAPLAN MTs will depart for Indonesia.

Read more:

KAPLAN MT Tankları Endonezya'ya Teslim Ediliyor

KAPLAN MT Orta Sınıf Tank, Endonezya Ordusu'nun kullanıma sunuluyor. Bu kapsamda FNSS teslislerinde 15 Mart Salı Günü bir tören gerçekleştirilecek.

www.savunmasanayist.com

I have a hard time to understand this. Aside from one full production version that was delivered to Pindad recently, does this news means that the ceremony is for the 10 (?) Kaplan made by FNSS? If that's the case, then it's Pindad's turn to produce the rest 8 of them.

Under the contract, 18 KAPLAN MT tanks will be produced, the first 10 tanks will be produced in Turkey and the remaining 8 tanks will be produced in Indonesia.

Still, 18 tanks for the first contract and no other words from here yet regarding their mass production and adoption in our army?

Oh well.

 

[Umigami]

I have a hard time to understand this. Aside from one full production version that was delivered to Pindad recently, does this news means that the ceremony is for the 10 (?) Kaplan made by FNSS? If that's the case, then it's Pindad's turn to produce the rest 8 of them.



Still, 18 tanks for the first contract and no other words from here yet regarding their mass production and adoption in our army?

Oh well.

We sacrifice a lot for all those Submarines, fighters and frigates huh...

 

[Umigami]

And here the idea of T72 for AMX13 replacement.

If Pindad just end up become assembly facility for Harimau, I'm not totally against buying czech T72.

 

[Umigami]

The video description says:

Why???

Does T-72 have APS? Looking at Ukraine theater where armored vehicles became ATGM magnet, APS is a must.

If army wants frontline tanks like T-72 that don't have APS, then they clearly didn't learn a single damn thing from Ukraine vs Russia war.

They are talking about 2012, the leopard ambles saga!!!
(Watch the video)

This time it's Czech Excalibur try to push their product again after Pandur success.

 

[Umigami]

This is a good/cool design for our future indigenous MLRS tbh

https://www.facebook.com/lembagakeris/photos/a.295458637229153/4582728338502140

What's their platform? Totally new pindad design?

 

[Umigami]

They fucking pushed for T-72 Scarab

T-72 Scarab Excalibur upgrade main battle tank IDET 13105172 | IDET 2017 News Official Online Show Daily Report Coverage | Defence security military exhibition 2017 daily news category

It didn't have APS upgrade. Just another ATGM magnet and metal walking coffin.

ATGM with tandem-charge (dual warhead) like Saint Javelin can easily eat ERA armor like kerupuk.

If it's against Harimau, how about it?

 

[Van Kravchenko]

And here the idea of T72 for AMX13 replacement.

If Pindad just end up become assembly facility for Harimau, I'm not totally against it.

Not only paper armor, even newest T72 had no chance to pen the front armor of Leopard 2 Revolution.

This guy, clearly didn't know how to asses a tank. Left alone his wet dream in a garbage

 

[Ravager]

We sacrifice a lot for all those Submarines, fighters and frigates huh...

That is the price we have to pay after years of neglect and economic hardships . Well , atleast we are acknowledging it and try to remedying it as best as we can even with all of these challenges be it geopolitic or financial leeway provided/created .

 

[Madokafc]

We sacrifice a lot for all those Submarines, fighters and frigates huh...

You want to get "new" MBT? just take those T72, many countries want to scrapped them for good now

 

[Madokafc]

Paid premium and get either those newest M1 Abram or K2 Black Panther to completed our Feline families trees

 

[NEKO]

Need to bring down Harimau MT price. Idk how tho, maybe order in large quantity, use more local components as much as possible etc.

 

[FPXAllen]

It didn't have APS upgrade. Just another ATGM magnet and metal walking coffin.

Even with APS, reactive armor and other advanced stuffs installed, I still don't like Russian T-series tanks for exactly this one reason: The insistence of the Russian tank designers to seat the T-series tank crews directly above the ammo and propellant. Anyone may argue regarding the benefits of autoloader and the carousel system, but the fact remains that separate ammo storage with blowout panels like in Western MBTs are still far better to at least giving their crews a chance of survival in case of a succesful hit by the enemy.

 

[Zuko]

KAPLAN MT Tanks Delivered To Indonesia

10 March 2022

The KAPLAN MT Medium Class Tank, developed by FNSS with national resources, is now available for use by the Indonesian Army. In this context, a ceremony will be held on Tuesday, March 15 at the FNSS Trinity.

KAPLAN MT, which was developed within the scope of the project in which FNSS successfully applied the technology transfer model to PT Pindad and started mass production after the successful completion of the prototype period tests, is being delivered to the Indonesian Army. After the ceremony to be held at FNSS facilities on March 15, KAPLAN MTs will depart for Indonesia.

Read more:

KAPLAN MT Tankları Endonezya'ya Teslim Ediliyor

KAPLAN MT Orta Sınıf Tank, Endonezya Ordusu'nun kullanıma sunuluyor. Bu kapsamda FNSS teslislerinde 15 Mart Salı Günü bir tören gerçekleştirilecek.

www.savunmasanayist.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1501970445192601602

Link to a good video which shows the inside of the tank and how the tank behaves when shooting whilst moving.

 

[Madokafc]

Even with APS, reactive armor and other advanced stuffs installed, I still don't like Russian T-series tanks for exactly this one reason: The insistence of the Russian tank designers to seat the T-series tank crews directly above the ammo and propellant. Anyone may argue regarding the benefits of autoloader and the carousel system, but the fact remains that separate ammo storage with blowout panels like in Western MBTs are still far better to at least giving their crews a chance of survival in case of a succesful hit by the enemy.

Well that's why previous Army commander choose Leopard 2, they are more maintenance friendly afterall

 

[Umigami]

What about Harimau? Does it have this separate ammo storage with blowout panels?

Front hull storage, no.
Bustle behind turret, yes.

 

[Madokafc]

Btw, AMX 13 itself is already an obsolote platform to begin with, with their tin can armor they are not even expected to face the heavy machine gun rounds or splintered srhapnel. Thus not to mention their obsolote firing system and Ignition process. If actually they decided to replace those Oldies with T72 families, i just hope they can provide additional protection system and proper training and doctrine about infantry cooperation with cavalry.

And better to start to built storage to hoard excess and older arms